Pretty sure turning off 40% of the brain would amount to more than just intelligence loss iirc. Some parts of the brain are necessary to function, aren't they?
Frogate can also take a breather and plan if she decides to do so. Hecate's brain seems vastly superior to Asuna, so it seems like it would be more of a detriment.
It's my person Elite Four of FC/OC verses on the Wiki. It just feels right to me.
It's pretty vague, but in general i think this is referring to brain power more than anything, otherwise frogmen wouldn't struggle at all against any enemy that doesn't reist itPretty sure turning off 40% of the brain would amount to more than just intelligence loss iirc. Some parts of the brain are necessary to function, aren't they?
The difference is that asuna would be travelling through time as this happens. Frogate can't really plan in the same way if they are in the past. They definitely have better brains but i do think this is still useful for asuven if either one of them gets a breather from fighting, especially once asuna has deciphered how their powers work and what magic types/skills that she can feasibly make could best counter them. I'm not saying they'll be more tactical/successful this way lol, but i do think it'd make asuna's Power Creation more efficient at the very least.
Relying on precog only works against enemies which can't counter it, to which I've already proven Hecate is more than able to hit enemies who have it.
Hecate has pretty much negged tk ever since Mk. 1, simply having equal LS to her doesn't mean it's gonna work since she just outright resists the ability and Frogman can apply his own Class Z TK with his mind for a triple defense against thisAsuna could do the same with her own TK to stop hecate. She is a good degree into Class Z as well so she shouldn't give hecate a very easy time doing this either
Leaving Javen alone is not exactly wise, even for a moment, both Hecate and Frogman have ways to beat him a lot easier if Asuna isn't aroundFrogman would need to be able to keep with asuven to try this, which isn't a guarantee based on what i've said below. Plus, it's not like asuna is limited to one riftway at a time. She can summon dozens of them at once to redirect attacks, and using [Barrier of Chaos] as a temporary safe haven to take a breather is always an option if either of the duo is struggling
Combat Stage 4 can easily do it enough times though, especially when he can just be fed more and more energy from Hecate to replenish his stamina and put off the cooldowns as long as possible. Individual Frogman clones can also repeatedly rewind as others gain energy/recharge if necessary. You're forgetting that Hecate is capable of so much more when Frogman is on her side...Epic
Asuna's ally, javen, can though, and he has unfathomably more of an AP advantage than frogman and the spagmatrons
He wouldn't need the short break when Hecate can feed him this energy. it would go like this: Frogman/Frogman clone rewinds, other clone blasts Hecate (absorbs the energy), transfers it back to Frogman, repeat. they can do this basically as long as they need to, and every rewind Frogman can just leave out the 'Hecate feeding energy' part since he can pick and choose what gets rewound and what doesn't, creating essentially limitless stamina
How is Javen any faster? Either way he's susceptible to RL Speed Stealing too. Plus you are attempting to argue they can mitigate something stacked hundreds of times over that neither resist, I don't think this is a very big advantage that Asunaven would have. Plus in Stage 4, the effectiveness, speed, and range of it is waaay higher, and it is explicitly for Frogmen to be able to handle enemies that do exactly what Asuna is doing here, in fact, it works even better if the enemy is that much faster. Purple Skeletons are unable to snipe FU Androids with speed amps/superior speed in general thanks to RL Speed Stealing
I explained why using extra rewinds isn't a problem for Frogman as long as Hecate is around. Plus you are forgetting that there'd be thousandsI forgot to mention this earlier, but it is also possible that asuna could just... Break the digi-shilds without having them absorb her magic. The digi-shilds are clearly described as being similair to forcefields, which asuna can negate if she is physically superior. Considering that the spagmatrons are High 7-A and Asuna is at least High 6-A, their odds aren't great...
Of course, frogman can always rewind, but that's still another rewind spent on recovering the digi-shilds, and not the spagmatrons themselves when they can be nuked by [Barrier of Chaos] at any time.
- Forcefield Negation (Via [Final Smash] Skill. As a byproduct of overpowering magical abilities, provided asuna can become stronger than the target, she can break through defensive skills that would otherwise prove extremely difficult to break through, such as haruka's [Barrier of Despair].)
The point is that her reaction time is affected, and with how intelligent Hecate and Frogman are, they have higher odds of getting her before playback than not (they can use portals, warping, etc in 99.9% perfect ways). Plus it says that mind immunity only slows it down, this can harm the thinking/reactions of even mindless creatures/purple skeletons with magical mind protectionsAsuna has good resistances against mind manipulation already, and this seems to be described as Limited. Javen has the same thing and also exponentially higher AP. I don't think i could put into words how large the gap is lol, There's no way they won't be able to counter or get [Playback] off, especially if it only turns off 40% of their brain, which might affect javen given his intelligence is a bit inconsistent, but not asuna who is genius in battle iq, she'll still be smart enough to use it..
If Frogman were to use his far faster reaction and guide Laser Storm in such a way, hitting her prior is more than possible, especially since the effects sticks around and after some minutes will make Asuna basically mindless, but......there is all of this to go through. First of all, the fortune strat relies on a big if. You say that the cooldown is 'likely' to be lower, but this isn't confirmed, and still, judging by the limitations of the PoW magic system, that cooldown probably isn't THAT much lower anyway. Even if it's all the way down to five seconds, that's like an eternity, and all Frogman and Hecate need to do is curve the Laser Storm around for the duration, and then all of a sudden there's no more fortune helping her and still a million+ blasts around. Dodging a blast doesn't mean it'll just disappear into thin air. Keep in mind as well, that even narrowly avoid these blasts is still gonna deconstruct you, you have to be in the clear of them, and with the sheer numbers I don't know how Asuna or Javen especially would handle that. These abilities don't care about his 4-A durability. Red Laser's undeniability (against anything ignoring it with 100%) would also kick in and at least some small % would still affect them, even through intangibility.Asuna & Javen have numerous ways they could respond to this
Not only would skills such as [Intangible] make asuna pretty much untouchable for a brief period without a good degree of NPI (PoW magic can affect ghost-like beings, and using this, asuna was unable to be affected by haruka's attacks, time limit is around 10 seconds-ish) Asuna can also use [Fortune] to nudge the odds in their favor whenever they are in an especially dire situation, which, due to asuna's much higher XP level, should be more effective & potent, and likely a reduced cooldown, especially overtime where Reactive Evolution would kick in for asuna. Other than Limited Probability Manipulation that i've seen on Both Hecate & Spagmatrons profile (Both of which are either entirely defensive or only with specific digi-shilds) Neither of them actually bypass this in any written way, meaning this can definitely be used without interruptions, which is obviously huge for asuven
Asuna can also block these sorts of hits if needed as well. Because hecate & frogman aren't massively superior in AP, this should prove useful too
While asuna can't divert the golden rays from hecate, javen definitely has the LS & AP to do so, and with his Explosive Aura the lasers being diverted is very likely. They've never faced something of this magnitude from a stick figure of all things before, and with both asuna and javen doing this at once the effect would be maximised. Of course, asuna can always send the lasers through riftways too as another layer of defense.
- Attack Reflection, Damage Reduction, & Limited Invulnerability (Via Blocking and parrying. Similair to a video game, adventurers can do this to physical blows, provided they are at a similar or greater level of power than their attacker.)
- Shockwave Manipulation (Asuna's limit break also unleashed a shockwave that "Engulfed" The entirety of the grand colloseeum.)
As for what they'd do on the offensive, I imagine Asuna & Javen would join forces to combat this sort of threat. By combining their power into a beam thanks to asuna's Power Bestowal & Empowerment, They would have more than enough AP to divert the red laser cloud thanks to asuna's AoE and javen's range, all the while defending with a wide variety of abilities on top of their impressive agility, speed amps, and asuna's precognition. Their clones can also join the effort, either adding to the attack, or aiding in defending them against hecate & frogmans onslaught, either by creating 4-A forcefields, or, in the case of asuna's clones, potentially using [Reversal] to try and hit back at hecate & frogman if they are unable to avoid any attacks, giving Asuven another offensive option in such a dangerous situation. If aimed at either hecate or frogman, it would definitely discourage them from using conventional means to attack, as they could constantly take damage at least in some form this way.
There's obviously more than that, but this is long as is and i wanna keep it short lol. I imagine asuna would call this something like [Giga Counter] or something that sounds awesome to her, lol
- Enhanced Attack Reflection (Via [Reverse] Skill. While it is only active for a few seconds at a time, It can redirect 50% of any physical damage landed on asuna back towards an aggressor, though this is not able to redirect certain skills, such as [Negate], which do not physically impact her.)
I am yet to cover my new ideas for the star strategy...
The very moment exiting the portals slam down with all their might, further through the other portal casting a red saber 'Multi-Blade' alongside the hands which would slice through them and inflict decay burning, being similarly undetectable as KEY Spells thanks to a resistance to Information Analysis + Clairvoyance + Precognition (key Red Laser Spells used by Frogmen even in past/future scans seemed censored and altered to Red Stickmen analytical machines) and it was further argued here about how they can hardly be viewed even by someone with FAR better precog than Asuna (and since I keep bringing them up as similar, well surpassing Blood Sea Soldiers as well to a point it isn't even funny, according to all things known and all feats, Asuna's precog will not work for these attacks).Actually, now that you mention it...It's still pretty disadvantageous for them though if they can't actually stop her from using it, which isn't a guarantee from what i know. While she's in the dimension of time asuna has time to take a breather, as well as plan out what to do next. Asuna obviously still isn't as smart as them either, but the time she'll get will definitely help especially if she has no time to do so mid-fight
Golden Hecate's speed boost would be way beyond that gap, this is an ability she had in Mk. 1. Plus Reverse wouldn't be that useful, Hecate and Frogman can always just retake control of Golden Fire Lasers and Laser Storm, and if it simply transfers damages automatically Frogman's precog will inform him and Hecate and they would come up with a new way to use it instead, avoiding this transfer stat is childs play for their brains. Plus RL Speed Stealing Mode is still gonna work with a well-timed rewind, Asuna's speed amps simply won't be that useful. Frogman does indeed have the reactions, the rewind strat, and the brains to ensure it works.Asuna has encountered speed gaps like this before lol, especially since this is in brief bursts i don't see this helping very much at all, it might work on javen but asuna has many ways to protect him
That could be useful, but frogate will still have many of them supporting asuven which still benefits the latter duo, plus if need be, asuna's clones can use [Reversal] as described above to land hits if all other methods of getting through the spagmatrons don't work. I can see frogate simply avoiding them, but this is extremely difficult with their speed and therefore reactions to diverting beams and whatnot, and trying to do this will only slow them down even if they succeed. Frogman in particular will struggle with this because his laser storm has lots of projectiles to move out of the way...
It is unquestionably so, Frogman and Hecate's combined planning and mental might is easily hundreds of times stronger, likely even into the thousands considering Frogman's 26,000 year passive development of the mind and Hecate's feats, when combined, is just too large of a gap. It's to the point where it's pretty funny tbh, I don't see any method Asunaven could possibly plan around Hecate and Frogman when they have this big of an advantage
especially with the above revelations pertaining to playback, it feels like the tide has turned
I'll try replying to this hopefully todayRelying on precog only works against enemies which can't counter it, to which I've already proven Hecate is more than able to hit enemies who have it.
Hecate has pretty much negged tk ever since Mk. 1, simply having equal LS to her doesn't mean it's gonna work since she just outright resists the ability and Frogman can apply his own Class Z TK with his mind for a triple defense against this
Leaving Javen alone is not exactly wise, even for a moment, both Hecate and Frogman have ways to beat him a lot easier if Asuna isn't around
Combat Stage 4 can easily do it enough times though, especially when he can just be fed more and more energy from Hecate to replenish his stamina and put off the cooldowns as long as possible. Individual Frogman clones can also repeatedly rewind as others gain energy/recharge if necessary. You're forgetting that Hecate is capable of so much more when Frogman is on her side...
He wouldn't need the short break when Hecate can feed him this energy. it would go like this: Frogman/Frogman clone rewinds, other clone blasts Hecate (absorbs the energy), transfers it back to Frogman, repeat. they can do this basically as long as they need to, and every rewind Frogman can just leave out the 'Hecate feeding energy' part since he can pick and choose what gets rewound and what doesn't, creating essentially limitless stamina
How is Javen any faster? Either way he's susceptible to RL Speed Stealing too. Plus you are attempting to argue they can mitigate something stacked hundreds of times over that neither resist, I don't think this is a very big advantage that Asunaven would have. Plus in Stage 4, the effectiveness, speed, and range of it is waaay higher, and it is explicitly for Frogmen to be able to handle enemies that do exactly what Asuna is doing here, in fact, it works even better if the enemy is that much faster. Purple Skeletons are unable to snipe FU Androids with speed amps/superior speed in general thanks to RL Speed Stealing
According to Froggy in Hecate vs Gunnix, FU Android’s have reactions far surpassing body movements due to their mind in the soul Crystals, and Stage 4 well surpasses even the experienced Gunnix (and this is Combat Stage 4, even further beyond), they can instantly summon/create layered defensive plans which also convert to offense within the same moment, and this is much further enhanced when combined with Hecate's raw smarts. Plus, FU Androids and Frogmen themselves passively grow in intelligence over thousands of years, sharpening their already advanced minds to a point beyond mastery, at Stage 4's point being 26,000 years of this development, plus having a mental link to Hecate, he actually possesses reaction time potentially thousands of times beyond his body movement speed, easily enough to compensate:
I think the impact of the differences between the minds is being HUGELY underestimated lol
- 1st+ Level Intelligence: Gifted, higher with time, Preparation long-term passive (Original intelligence of the artificial FU soul generated into the crystal, which from that moment starts growing together with the Soul Crystal
Plus (yet again) Blood Sea Soldiers are still able to be hit by golden fire lasers despite having precog stacked among other options too, including Asuna's favorite option, portals (also summoned by the dozens), and with Frogman successfully copying those effects... the odds Asuna avoids Laser Storm is dangerously low. Frogman using superior mind/precog can also tell the Spagm's in advance, use a rewind when Asuna uses speed amps (reverting her speed to what it was prior) while keeping the command action, therefore wielding RL Speed Stealing Mode as normal (ignoring the fact that it should work anyway since that's what it's designed for)
I explained why using extra rewinds isn't a problem for Frogman as long as Hecate is around. Plus you are forgetting that there'd be thousands
The point is that her reaction time is affected, and with how intelligent Hecate and Frogman are, they have higher odds of getting her before playback than not (they can use portals, warping, etc in 99.9% perfect ways). Plus it says that mind immunity only slows it down, this can harm the thinking/reactions of even mindless creatures/purple skeletons with magical mind protections
...there is all of this to go through. First of all, the fortune strat relies on a big if. You say that the cooldown is 'likely' to be lower, but this isn't confirmed, and still, judging by the limitations of the PoW magic system, that cooldown probably isn't THAT much lower anyway. Even if it's all the way down to five seconds, that's like an eternity, and all Frogman and Hecate need to do is curve the Laser Storm around for the duration, and then all of a sudden there's no more fortune helping her and still a million+ blasts around. Dodging a blast doesn't mean it'll just disappear into thin air. Keep in mind as well, that even narrowly avoid these blasts is still gonna deconstruct you, you have to be in the clear of them, and with the sheer numbers I don't know how Asuna or Javen especially would handle that. These abilities don't care about his 4-A durability. Red Laser's undeniability (against anything ignoring it with 100%) would also kick in and at least some small % would still affect them, even through intangibility.
A simple High 6-A shockwave isn't going to help so much either, this would count against the anti-dodge tech which would can brute force it and Hecate's own air manip would be a good counter, since she has masterful control over it she can force funnels into the shockwave through which the Laser Storm can enter, and don't forget Frogman's attack has the same properties as the Golden laser now so all million+ blasts posses this homing capability. Frogman can also block Riftways with Red Laser Portals (which in the entire FU story show to negate other portal/teleportation means, Red Laser Undeniability applies) and Hecate's golden lasers can automatically dodge spawned portals from Blood Sea Soldiers. You also neglected to respond to it, but I've also already countered the javen aura:
Hecate is more than able to deal with passive enemy auras, since the Mk. 2 has the ability to actually literally steal enemy auras, like afterwards they just don’t have the aura anymore and she has it. In the Mk. 2, you had to look into its eyes, but the golden mech can sort of just do it immediately, especially if Javen uses it early when they would be close together. Ap difference won’t matter since Javen doesn’t resist that.
Now for the fun part. Since Asuna and javen have methods to survive the immense Golden Laser Storm combo and their large beam attack here, Frogman with his precog organ (which further connects with Hecate, basically giving them both precog), allows them both to see the capabilities of both teams clones in an even more clear way not just information on what they can do, but now, how they can do it as well), revealing their hellish combinations of abilities and power which even puts Stage 4 and Hecate on the ropes. As the laser Storm surges and Asuna and Javen fire their cannon, Frogman and Hecate prepare another offensive
Frogman using precog generates portals around his sides, further through the portals, Frogman casts:
This attack is even totally invisible to precog, Asuna won't detect it at all
- Hands hidden from the world - Red Saber blade re-animates as several giantic hands, which cannot be traced by any sense (like sight, hearing, 6th sense). The hands cause an extremely lower 'Decay Burning' effect as a trade for undetection. Sending AoE attacks (like sand waves) to notice "where particles disappear" seems as the only way of locating them.
Since Asuna needs to travel through the dimension of time for playback, and she has zero feats or mentions or implications at all in any previous Asuna thread that a clone could do this/take her place would the main one be killed, this looks like a pretty reliable wincon. Even with reversal, if it automatically sends 50% of damages back, Frogman easily survives (even if not, his main consciousness just switches to a different clone) and Frogman could rewind Hecate would she die, so this wouldn't work.
Actually, now that you mention it...
When the 'Red Laser ability pool' for 10-Evolution-Lines got established, the strongest spells called 'R.L. KEY masteries' adjusted to use this defensive feature offensively. The biggest examples of this are the adaptiveness of '2-Second-Rewind' to the targets it facing head-on, able to use 3.5rd dimension properties to rewind 3rd dimension targets, but would they be 3.5rd dimension instead (like Dragon Purple Skeleton Mages), '2-Second-Rewind' would adjust full 4th dimension properties for it.
Frogman can rewind any playback with this, as well do it even when Asuna exists in this '4th dimension', greatly reducing the usefulness of the thing, since she will no longer be able to use that time for planning and even fixing mistakes would be far more difficult, especially with Frogman's rewind being a KEY spell and possessing resistance to Information Analysis + Clairvoyance + Precognition (key Red Laser Spells used by Frogmen even in past/future scans seemed censored and altered to Red Stickmen analytical machines)
Golden Hecate's speed boost would be way beyond that gap, this is an ability she had in Mk. 1. Plus Reverse wouldn't be that useful, Hecate and Frogman can always just retake control of Golden Fire Lasers and Laser Storm, and if it simply transfers damages automatically Frogman's precog will inform him and Hecate and they would come up with a new way to use it instead, avoiding this transfer stat is childs play for their brains. Plus RL Speed Stealing Mode is still gonna work with a well-timed rewind, Asuna's speed amps simply won't be that useful. Frogman does indeed have the reactions, the rewind strat, and the brains to ensure it works.
It is unquestionably so, Frogman and Hecate's combined planning and mental might is easily hundreds of times stronger, likely even into the thousands considering Frogman's 26,000 year passive development of the mind and Hecate's feats, when combined, is just too large of a gap. It's to the point where it's pretty funny tbh, I don't see any method Asunaven could possibly plan around Hecate and Frogman when they have this big of an advantage
I hope you can pull something off here.I'll try replying to this hopefully today
Yeah, stage 4 frogman is probably a million times better at everything than the base android is and that’s not even an exaggeration, Javen’s lower intelligence does his team no favors. I also highly doubt he’ll be able to keep track of what’s going on.
Fair, but even then, that's not really an advantage when asuven can do the same thing if you remember how they dealt with cobalt long-term. Javen can supply him and asuna with everything they'd need to keep going with Imagination Manifestation on top of their already impressive stamina, like OP energy drinks, food, water, etc.
Asuna’s power bestowal & empowerment…
But even with a high EXP bar, 20,000 year old gunnix's are only "Decently" beyond their reaction speed, which is pretty vague and doesn't really describe much, but it isn't described as "Blazing" or anything either. Stage 4 frogman is only 6,000 years older, which not only doesn't seem that long for frogmen, but also lacks any further statements of higher reactions in that key. I again don't think there is nearly enough evidence to say that frogman's reactions are even hundreds of times faster than his own movements, let alone thousands. Especially when this was never brought up in the last match when reaction speed would be needed as far as i can remember Why does the cooldown matter? Like, yeah, it wouldn't be something like 5 seconds most likely, but at the speeds these 4 would be going the fight may as well be over in an instant if we saw it ourselves, but counting in real-time wouldn't be fair in this case if that's what you mean. I think it should be from their perspectives, which would be real-time to them, otherwise cooldowns wouldn't matter for anyone higher than like transonic lol...there is all of this to go through. First of all, the fortune strat relies on a big if. You say that the cooldown is 'likely' to be lower, but this isn't confirmed, and still, judging by the limitations of the PoW magic system, that cooldown probably isn't THAT much lower anyway. Even if it's all the way down to five seconds, that's like an eternity, and all Frogman and Hecate need to do is curve the Laser Storm around for the duration, and then all of a sudden there's no more fortune helping her and still a million+ blasts around. Dodging a blast doesn't mean it'll just disappear into thin air. Keep in mind as well, that even narrowly avoid these blasts is still gonna deconstruct you, you have to be in the clear of them, and with the sheer numbers I don't know how Asuna or Javen especially would handle that. These abilities don't care about his 4-A durability. Red Laser's undeniability (against anything ignoring it with 100%) would also kick in and at least some small % would still affect them, even through intangibility.
A simple High 6-A shockwave isn't going to help so much either, this would count against the anti-dodge tech which would can brute force it and Hecate's own air manip would be a good counter, since she has masterful control over it she can force funnels into the shockwave through which the Laser Storm can enter, and don't forget Frogman's attack has the same properties as the Golden laser now so all million+ blasts posses this homing capability. Frogman can also block Riftways with Red Laser Portals (which in the entire FU story show to negate other portal/teleportation means, Red Laser Undeniability applies) and Hecate's golden lasers can automatically dodge spawned portals from Blood Sea Soldiers. You also neglected to respond to it, but I've also already countered the javen aura:
Hecate is more than able to deal with passive enemy auras, since the Mk. 2 has the ability to actually literally steal enemy auras, like afterwards they just don’t have the aura anymore and she has it. In the Mk. 2, you had to look into its eyes, but the golden mech can sort of just do it immediately, especially if Javen uses it early when they would be close together. Ap difference won’t matter since Javen doesn’t resist that.
Now for the fun part. Since Asuna and javen have methods to survive the immense Golden Laser Storm combo and their large beam attack here, Frogman with his precog organ (which further connects with Hecate, basically giving them both precog), allows them both to see the capabilities of both teams clones in an even more clear way not just information on what they can do, but now, how they can do it as well), revealing their hellish combinations of abilities and power which even puts Stage 4 and Hecate on the ropes. As the laser Storm surges and Asuna and Javen fire their cannon, Frogman and Hecate prepare another offensive
Frogman using precog generates portals around his sides, further through the portals, Frogman casts:
This attack is even totally invisible to precog, Asuna won't detect it at all
- Hands hidden from the world - Red Saber blade re-animates as several giantic hands, which cannot be traced by any sense (like sight, hearing, 6th sense). The hands cause an extremely lower 'Decay Burning' effect as a trade for undetection. Sending AoE attacks (like sand waves) to notice "where particles disappear" seems as the only way of locating them.
Since Asuna needs to travel through the dimension of time for playback, and she has zero feats or mentions or implications at all in any previous Asuna thread that a clone could do this/take her place would the main one be killed, this looks like a pretty reliable wincon. Even with reversal, if it automatically sends 50% of damages back, Frogman easily survives (even if not, his main consciousness just switches to a different clone) and Frogman could rewind Hecate would she die, so this wouldn't work.
Even if hecate did get rid of it, it still doesn't eliminate the various other factors here. The explosive aura is just one piece of the puzzle.This... Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with people travelling through time at all
Having an ability that works on 3.5 dimensional beings doesn't inherently imply that you actually have the range or the AP to affect, well 4-D universes, so frogman would need to actually reach into the 4th dimension itself, but this is contradicted by the fact that frogmans range is at best High Universal When he'd need at least Universal+, and this is under favourable conditions too lol, but either way i doubt this would workThis isn’t entirely true, Javen can become more useful to Asuna thanks to the letters ability to empower others, kind of like team-attacks. They can do this whenever, so Asuna can amp Javen up at anytime
Javen will still be a big help as I’ve explained before, even if he’s not as smart.
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It is. It also kinda determines whether or not Frogate actually have a counter in this tournament other than Cobalt, and the duo of Dio and Clover. It's kinda nuts, being honest.This thread is actually insane, and the fact it is still ongoing is crazy.
Gonna read through this later because it looks like a
