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To start this revision, something that should be added to everyone, not just Fiamma, because we did it to espers and their RW and Probability hax.
Limited Causality Manipulation, because:
("So my own creations turn on me in the very end."
She made it sound like this would not have happened if she had not made them, but you must not forget. Magic is a technique of distorting the world's causality for your own purposes. It does not only produce the obvious phenomena right in front of you. It is a dangerous technique that will follow an unexpected path to later cause an unexpected change without the magic user even knowing about it. Aleister Crowley had loathed that and called it sparks and spray. The Battle of Blythe Road had been fought over that)
And
(Kamijou Touma had nothing to defend himself with, so the rest of his body would be reduced to mincemeat.
However.
Magic was a technique of distorting the world's causality for your own purposes. Its sparks and spray would eventually find their way back to influence the magic user in unexpected ways. An action taken to achieve a certain goal could end up crushing that very some goal in some hidden way.)
Characters who have the ability to use Sparks and Spray should have it in "less limited" way.
I created 2 new keys to Fiamma, and here i will explain why they are needed, i will put a link at the end.
Currently, his H6A key is the same key for Fiamma's limited form and the one who doesn't has those limits. The first key now is for the first time he appeared, before having acces to Index, and thus having limited power, the second one is after acquiring Index and then erasing his previous limits, the third is after completing the Star of Bethlehem and havinh control over Archangel Gabriel, the fourth is LPSaD Fiamma, with each key he is becoming more powerful, then i think we shouldn't compact it to a single key.
Fiamma also has 2 forms of Non-Physical Interaction, one for his base form and other for his LPSaD form
Base form can interact with angels as one of his miracles, angels are incorporeal beings who only use a Physical body to interact with the human world:
("It's quite simple. What I possess is not the right arm itself but the power that should reside in the right arm. The right is used in most Christian rituals. Archangel Michael cut down the leader of the fallen angels with his right hand...)
LPSaD can destroy the malice inside people:
(Tragedy created more tragedy and the spiraling malice would spread out to every corner of that planet. Fiamma's holy power would increase in response to that ugly sight and he would purify the entire world)
And
("Overly powerful divine punishment can easily destroy the unions between people. It is the same as the bonds between people being broken with the destruction of the Tower of Babel. And in response to the malice created in that, I can once more draw on a tremendous power.")
Eletricity manipulation, or is it weather manipulation? :
(At that time, a golden arm exploded in a similar fashion even on the war front in Eastern Europe. However, that one did not cause waves. Radiating from the center of the exploding arm were thunder clouds lowering down to the surface. The dark masses of water vapor explosively spread along the surface of the earth while an odd noise reverberated throughout the area. It was the sound of sparks. It was the sound of voltages exceeding a hundred million. Those overwhelmingly high voltage currents blew apart the people absorbed by the dark clouds and fried all electronic equipment on the weapons.)
Control over Telesma grants any special ability? Telesma comes from Heaven and operates in a different set of laws, but idk if we add it or not.
Now, the High 1-C thing, yeah, i know, someone will say this is wank, but anyways, Fiamma has 1 direct H1C feat, 2 from Powerscaling and 1 to support the first
The first i will be talking about, even if isn't H1C, should change the way his power and miracles work from simple AP and RW to causality manipulation (H1C for this was rejected, the causality part is likely rejected as well).
(Just then, Baby Lilith moved her small hand to draw a circle in the air.
But that made no sense.
Given the comparative speeds, it was too late to move your hand after Magick: Flaming_Sword had already been released. Nevertheless, it worked.
Consistency fell apart. Causality was ignored.
In other words, it was a miracle.
With a sound like a saw's teeth bending, the tip of the Magick: Flaming_Sword was twisted off course. It was caught by the shield-like circle Lilith had drawn, it spun around, and it was trapped in a never-ending circuit.)
His power being causality make sense, since magic itself already distorts causality, and this proves miracles do it in a "more direct" way.
The High 1-C part is that Flaming_Sword is a H1C attack, as you can see in Coronzo's profile, and LPSaD Fiamma can create any miracle from christinity, and his base form is already said to be able to create miracles.
Base:
("That is correct. You could say my right hand has the power to create... miracles." Fiamma slowly moved through the rubble and continued. "The Son of God used his right hand to cure the illnesses of the sick and revive the deceased. It was the right hand which drew the cross and scattered the holy water used for the baptism of Christ...)
LPSaD
(In fact, the great swirl of light Fiamma had fired had split in two right in front of the boy and scattered to either side of him. Yet that attack had held such power that it could blow away a planet or recreate any of the legends in Christianity.)
The second feat is powerscaling from Curtana Second and Original (rejected because Michael isn't Curtana only power source):
Curtana Second:
(That sword was an extreme spiritual item that fully united the three factions and four regions of the United Kingdom; it could draw on a portion of Archangel Michael's power while on British territory. If a qualified user released that power even for a moment, a swing of the sword would sever all dimensions at once and giant ruined materials would be created along the line of the slash.
Yes, all dimensions.
Assuming it could hit, that extraordinary power could penetrate the barrier between worlds and kill a being lurking in a different phase… for example, Holy Guardian Angel Aiwass who stayed in the layer of physical laws at the very bottom.)
Fiamma and Carissa talking about Curtana Original:
("The angel you are aligned with is Michael... Curtana uses power from the same angel, so are you after this sword!?" "Hm? Oh, I see, I see. I suppose I could have done it that way." [...] "No, I guess not. That wouldn't work. It has the right type of power, but its capacity probably wouldn't last. As soon as my power was passed into it, it would probably just be blown to pieces.")
It is good to add that one of the Miracles base Fiamma can do is based on Michael right hand, and in LPSaD he can control Heaven and summon it's angels.
The third one is having all the knowledge and spells inside Index's head, which are said as enough to make becoming a magic god a possibility, and the Necessarius Church (I.e Coronzon) feared her:
("I thought it was an anti-occult defense system created by a magic specialist? Can't you do something with Index's 103,000 grimoires!? She said that controlling those would give you the power of a god, but if it can't even heal one girl's head, it doesn't sound so great to me!"
"Oh, you're referring to a magic god. The Church is extremely afraid of Index rebelling. That is why they put a 'collar' on her so that maintenance only the Church can perform must be carried out once a year by erasing her memories.)
Fiamma, being the most powerful in Roman Catholic Church, should have at least that piece of information, and because of that his plan was using her knowledge to create a ritual to perfect his Holy Right.
And the fourth feat is he after completing said ritual (I.e LPSaD).
The main "object" in this ritual was Imagine Breaker, and as you can see in Kamijou Touma's profile, IB is currently H1C because of feats like nulling Phase Shifts, breaking Gungnir, etc. And Fiamma was able to absorb IB to perfect his power:
(Fiamma of the Right lightly held out his hand. It grabbed Kamijou's right arm as if absorbing it. That right arm was known as Imagine Breaker. That unique right hand could negate any unexplainable supernatural power be it scientific or magical. "I have it..." Fiamma's lips twisted in delight. With a sound like a water balloon bursting, the severed right hand burst to pieces and the blood, flesh, bone, blood vessels, and nerves all neatly disassembled and spread out. [...] All the parts were absorbed into the third arm stretching from Fiamma of the Right's right shoulder.)
And
(As long as he had his own power and that boy's right arm that had been disassembled and reorganized into a spiritual item, he could save the entire world.)
Just to add, Aleister Crowley planned to do a ritual using Accelerator and Imagine Breaker to perfect Aiwass and allow him to destroy all Phases.
Here is the profile i did, just to note i removed somethings so that reading the changes was faster: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:XDragnoir/Fiamma?useskin=oasis
Limited Causality Manipulation, because:
("So my own creations turn on me in the very end."
She made it sound like this would not have happened if she had not made them, but you must not forget. Magic is a technique of distorting the world's causality for your own purposes. It does not only produce the obvious phenomena right in front of you. It is a dangerous technique that will follow an unexpected path to later cause an unexpected change without the magic user even knowing about it. Aleister Crowley had loathed that and called it sparks and spray. The Battle of Blythe Road had been fought over that)
And
(Kamijou Touma had nothing to defend himself with, so the rest of his body would be reduced to mincemeat.
However.
Magic was a technique of distorting the world's causality for your own purposes. Its sparks and spray would eventually find their way back to influence the magic user in unexpected ways. An action taken to achieve a certain goal could end up crushing that very some goal in some hidden way.)
Characters who have the ability to use Sparks and Spray should have it in "less limited" way.
I created 2 new keys to Fiamma, and here i will explain why they are needed, i will put a link at the end.
Currently, his H6A key is the same key for Fiamma's limited form and the one who doesn't has those limits. The first key now is for the first time he appeared, before having acces to Index, and thus having limited power, the second one is after acquiring Index and then erasing his previous limits, the third is after completing the Star of Bethlehem and havinh control over Archangel Gabriel, the fourth is LPSaD Fiamma, with each key he is becoming more powerful, then i think we shouldn't compact it to a single key.
Fiamma also has 2 forms of Non-Physical Interaction, one for his base form and other for his LPSaD form
Base form can interact with angels as one of his miracles, angels are incorporeal beings who only use a Physical body to interact with the human world:
("It's quite simple. What I possess is not the right arm itself but the power that should reside in the right arm. The right is used in most Christian rituals. Archangel Michael cut down the leader of the fallen angels with his right hand...)
LPSaD can destroy the malice inside people:
(Tragedy created more tragedy and the spiraling malice would spread out to every corner of that planet. Fiamma's holy power would increase in response to that ugly sight and he would purify the entire world)
And
("Overly powerful divine punishment can easily destroy the unions between people. It is the same as the bonds between people being broken with the destruction of the Tower of Babel. And in response to the malice created in that, I can once more draw on a tremendous power.")
Eletricity manipulation, or is it weather manipulation? :
(At that time, a golden arm exploded in a similar fashion even on the war front in Eastern Europe. However, that one did not cause waves. Radiating from the center of the exploding arm were thunder clouds lowering down to the surface. The dark masses of water vapor explosively spread along the surface of the earth while an odd noise reverberated throughout the area. It was the sound of sparks. It was the sound of voltages exceeding a hundred million. Those overwhelmingly high voltage currents blew apart the people absorbed by the dark clouds and fried all electronic equipment on the weapons.)
Control over Telesma grants any special ability? Telesma comes from Heaven and operates in a different set of laws, but idk if we add it or not.
Now, the High 1-C thing, yeah, i know, someone will say this is wank, but anyways, Fiamma has 1 direct H1C feat, 2 from Powerscaling and 1 to support the first
The first i will be talking about, even if isn't H1C, should change the way his power and miracles work from simple AP and RW to causality manipulation (H1C for this was rejected, the causality part is likely rejected as well).
(Just then, Baby Lilith moved her small hand to draw a circle in the air.
But that made no sense.
Given the comparative speeds, it was too late to move your hand after Magick: Flaming_Sword had already been released. Nevertheless, it worked.
Consistency fell apart. Causality was ignored.
In other words, it was a miracle.
With a sound like a saw's teeth bending, the tip of the Magick: Flaming_Sword was twisted off course. It was caught by the shield-like circle Lilith had drawn, it spun around, and it was trapped in a never-ending circuit.)
His power being causality make sense, since magic itself already distorts causality, and this proves miracles do it in a "more direct" way.
The High 1-C part is that Flaming_Sword is a H1C attack, as you can see in Coronzo's profile, and LPSaD Fiamma can create any miracle from christinity, and his base form is already said to be able to create miracles.
Base:
("That is correct. You could say my right hand has the power to create... miracles." Fiamma slowly moved through the rubble and continued. "The Son of God used his right hand to cure the illnesses of the sick and revive the deceased. It was the right hand which drew the cross and scattered the holy water used for the baptism of Christ...)
LPSaD
(In fact, the great swirl of light Fiamma had fired had split in two right in front of the boy and scattered to either side of him. Yet that attack had held such power that it could blow away a planet or recreate any of the legends in Christianity.)
The second feat is powerscaling from Curtana Second and Original (rejected because Michael isn't Curtana only power source):
Curtana Second:
(That sword was an extreme spiritual item that fully united the three factions and four regions of the United Kingdom; it could draw on a portion of Archangel Michael's power while on British territory. If a qualified user released that power even for a moment, a swing of the sword would sever all dimensions at once and giant ruined materials would be created along the line of the slash.
Yes, all dimensions.
Assuming it could hit, that extraordinary power could penetrate the barrier between worlds and kill a being lurking in a different phase… for example, Holy Guardian Angel Aiwass who stayed in the layer of physical laws at the very bottom.)
Fiamma and Carissa talking about Curtana Original:
("The angel you are aligned with is Michael... Curtana uses power from the same angel, so are you after this sword!?" "Hm? Oh, I see, I see. I suppose I could have done it that way." [...] "No, I guess not. That wouldn't work. It has the right type of power, but its capacity probably wouldn't last. As soon as my power was passed into it, it would probably just be blown to pieces.")
It is good to add that one of the Miracles base Fiamma can do is based on Michael right hand, and in LPSaD he can control Heaven and summon it's angels.
The third one is having all the knowledge and spells inside Index's head, which are said as enough to make becoming a magic god a possibility, and the Necessarius Church (I.e Coronzon) feared her:
("I thought it was an anti-occult defense system created by a magic specialist? Can't you do something with Index's 103,000 grimoires!? She said that controlling those would give you the power of a god, but if it can't even heal one girl's head, it doesn't sound so great to me!"
"Oh, you're referring to a magic god. The Church is extremely afraid of Index rebelling. That is why they put a 'collar' on her so that maintenance only the Church can perform must be carried out once a year by erasing her memories.)
Fiamma, being the most powerful in Roman Catholic Church, should have at least that piece of information, and because of that his plan was using her knowledge to create a ritual to perfect his Holy Right.
And the fourth feat is he after completing said ritual (I.e LPSaD).
The main "object" in this ritual was Imagine Breaker, and as you can see in Kamijou Touma's profile, IB is currently H1C because of feats like nulling Phase Shifts, breaking Gungnir, etc. And Fiamma was able to absorb IB to perfect his power:
(Fiamma of the Right lightly held out his hand. It grabbed Kamijou's right arm as if absorbing it. That right arm was known as Imagine Breaker. That unique right hand could negate any unexplainable supernatural power be it scientific or magical. "I have it..." Fiamma's lips twisted in delight. With a sound like a water balloon bursting, the severed right hand burst to pieces and the blood, flesh, bone, blood vessels, and nerves all neatly disassembled and spread out. [...] All the parts were absorbed into the third arm stretching from Fiamma of the Right's right shoulder.)
And
(As long as he had his own power and that boy's right arm that had been disassembled and reorganized into a spiritual item, he could save the entire world.)
Just to add, Aleister Crowley planned to do a ritual using Accelerator and Imagine Breaker to perfect Aiwass and allow him to destroy all Phases.
Here is the profile i did, just to note i removed somethings so that reading the changes was faster: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:XDragnoir/Fiamma?useskin=oasis
