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Fairy Tail Hundred Years Quest Discussion Thread

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Also why ft dragon didn't have resistance to magic since only dragon slayer magic can hurt them. No other form of magic can even pierce their scale?
 
Wasn't Zerf planning on killing Acno???? I don't think DS magic is the only thing that can kill them. It's morr like the only with the biggest effect
 
AstralKing7 said:
Wasn't Zerf planning on killing Acno???? I don't think DS magic is the only thing that can kill them. It's more like the only with the biggest effect
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As triforce said, zeref plan him to kill him before he gets any power(chapter 532, when zeref absorbed fh)
 
I don't that Natsu Dragneel did for Zeref since he still alive but for Acnologia he could have done it and, even lowballing, at the very least it would be Soul Destruction.

  • Existence Erasure Definition: though It is capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time, concept or even more fundamental aspects of its existence to nothing
If Natsu Dragneel could have done it at the very least for his Soul Destruction
 
AstralKing7 said:
Wasn't Zerf planning on killing Acno???? I don't think DS magic is the only thing that can kill them. It's more like the only with the biggest effect
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Demon slayer magic effect atlas flame but it was his soul, not his actual body. Ds come into existence because dragon cant be killed by normal magic. Also erza able to cut her mother because wendy enhance her sword with dsm
 
I would argue that Dragons can be damaged by normal magic, however they've never actually been damaged by normal magic
 
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Wasn't Zerf planning on killing Acno???? I don't think DS magic is the only thing that can kill them. It's morr like the only with the biggest effect
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Yes, Dragons are extremely resistant to Magic that isn't Dragon Slayer Magic
 
Honestly, there is a big misconception about dragon slayers - dragons on this wiki. It was described that Dragons have high resistance to magic, and the only thing capable of bypassing it are dragon slayers.

Which basically means that dragon slayers aren't necessarily "super effective" against dragons, it's just that dragons have magical resistance ontop of their stats, which makes them "unkillable" if you're not a dragon slayer.

For example, High 6-A Zeref would still have huge problems damaging High 6-A Acno, due to Acno being a dragon(obviously ignoring zeref's hax and acno's magic eating)

A small revision thread concerning that should be made.
 
Again wasn't Zerf planning on killing Acno with fairy heart??

We should wait cause the other members of the 100y quest may end up hurting a dragon
 
Why would that old clown make ppl go out and tackle dragons knowing each of them is almost acnologia level and can only be hurt by a dragon. Hm hm hm. Sounds like an automatic death wish.

Because even if you were a dragon slayer, no dragon slayer can beat acnologia level dragons. So it comes off as a dumb quest
 
^i personally believe their are deeper motives. Maybe the old guy is naive and just doesn't like the dragons and what's them to die
 
IKR I don't like the huge prejudice against dragons man

I don't care about the dragon eating guild cause they don't care about anything but power

But people like Natsu are ready to kill dragons out the blue.
 
@Captain Torch

That's actually incorrect Dragon Slayer Magic is super effective, for example The eclipse Dragons were 7-A, however 7-C Natsu can damage them with his dragon slaying magic, the Dragon Slaying advantage is a huge boost, like how Gray's Devil Slaying Magic is super effective against demons, and how Sherria is super effective against Gods, Dragons do however have good magic and physical resistance, for example Irene saw Erza one shot a meteor with her sword, and she was still very confident that she couldn't pierce her scales at all, So Dragon Scales are highly resistant towards almost all damage, however Dragon Slayer Magic is super effective
 
I don't think natsu has anything against dragons, since he knows that there are also good dragons like igneel. But when that old guy told natsu that these 5 dragon gods are each on the power level of acnologia, natsu at that moment was only thinking about being able to fight them. He has no hatred for the 5 dragon gods, he is just excited to fight them.
 
@Mitch

Devil Slayer magic was a retcon in that regard, since devil slayer magic is ACTUALLY super effective against demons. Dragon Slayer magic was never stated to be "super effective" it was only stated to be able to bypass a dragon's resistance.

Dragon Slayer magic is basically dragon magic, enchanted onto humans. Igneel wasn't necessarily "super effective" against acno, and so wasn't acnologia himself.

Another good example is Irene. Irene's strongest technique is "Deus Sema", but her defence is higher due to her magical resistance. High 6-C PoF erza would still fail against High 6-C Irene simply due to her magical resistance. But when wendy enchanted Erza with DS magic, erza managed to bypass the resistance and damage it.

There is honestly nothing implying that dragon slayer magic is "super effective". We all assumed that since that's how it works with devil slaying and god slaying, but these magics are obviously different in that regard.

And 7-C Natsu damaging an eclipse dragon was an outlier either way, since Laxus wasn't able to beat a dragon himself.
 
Further proof to that point is that a lot of characters were able to tank/survive the eclipse dragons's attacks, it's just that they couldn't hurt them because of their resistance.

https://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Slayer_Magic

^Even the wiki confirms my statement. "Dragon Slayer Magic is the only way to kill, or even hurt Dragons, who are shown to be mostly unaffected by other forms of Magic."

This means that dragons are mostly unaffected by forms of magic(hence the magical resistance), and are only affected by dragon slayer magic(which bypasses the resistance)
 
Dragon Slayer Magic does make you Super effective, just like the other magics, Frickin Base Wendy, and Base Natsu who at this point were far weaker than The Eclipse Dragons were able to make Zirconis and Motherglare buckle in pain, It is super effective, also the reason Acnologia wasn't effected by Igneel is because he has resistance to all magic


Edit: Wait why are we arguing, their the same thing, saying they bypass a dragons defense is being super effective, it's super effective against dragons, also Devil and God Slaying Magic are super effective against their type of enemy, so it makes sense that Dragon Slayer Magic Does as well
 
Dragon slayers bypassing the resistance AND being super effective makes no sense story wise though, and was never even implied.

You keep saying that "Base Wendy, and Base Natsu who at this point were far weaker than The Eclipse Dragons were able to make Zirconis and Motherglare buckle in pain". But as I already mentioned, it's an outlier. Going by your logic, since dragon slayer wendy was able to hurt the eclipse dragons, then laxus would be able to one shot them, since he's far stronger. This argument doesn't work.

The wiki and the manga states that dragon slayer magic bypasses the magic resistance. Everything else is a headcanon.
 
No, being super effective =/= bypassing magical resistance.

For example we take High 6-C Natsu vs High 6-C Irene.

If dragon slayers were actually "super effective" as you say it, then high 6-C natsu would one shot irene, due to her being a dragon.

If dragon slayers actually "bypass" the magical resistance, as stated in the manga, then Natsu vs Irene would be a fair fight, despite Irene being superior to other normal high 6-C characters due to her magical resistance.
 
Dragon slayer magic is indeed the only magic that is super effective against dragons, since it's the only magic that can hurt them on a greater scale. Normal magic won't have greater effect on them because of their natural resistance to magic and physical attacks.
 
^

You're right, but the term "super effective" is being mistaken here. As I already said, dragons are resistant to all magic, making characters on the same tier being unable to hurt them(Example: Jura being unable to hurt eclipse dragons)

Since dragon slayers bypass this resistance, they are indeed "super effective" in a way, but the term is correct only inverse. Going by forum terms, this would be magic resistance bypassing against dragons.
 
Dragon Slayer Magic is most certainly Super effective, it can even reap the souls of Dragons, and effect things with Dragon Like Properties, also Wendy, Gajeel, Natsu, Laxus, Sting, Rogue, and Even Cobra, while all mostly severely injured, could damage and Injure dragons even tho the Dragons are far superior to 7-A's that's not an Outlier when the 7-C Dragon Slayers can consistently damage 7-A Dragons
 
@Aubin

You still don't understand my point. If 7-C dragon slayers can hurt 7-A dragons, then why didn't 7-A laxus one shot a 7-A dragon? That's the biggest flaw in your argument.

If you take a moment to think about it, you'd realize that it being "super effective" against dragons would actually be far more inconsistent, for the reasons I said earlier on.
 
@Torch

The reason dragon slayer magic is super effective is because it can bypass a dragons natural resistance like their magical and physical resistance and those damage them. When erza's sword was enchanted with dragon slayer magic, she was easily able to bypass irene's magical and physical resistance and hurt her. Those making dragon slayer magic, super effective against dragons.

Normal magic can't do this, so it's not effective against dragons.
 
@Captain Torch

First of all the Dragons are At least 7-A possibly higher, in fact likely far higher, and if Dragon Slaying Magic only bypassed their Resistances to Damage, then The playing field will be even, which should mean that the 7-C's shouldn't be able to do anything the Dragons Regardless, however It is consistently shown that the Magic deals immense pain against Dragons, who are far higher than the characters, if all it did was make them take Neutral Damage they wouldn't feel any pain, this is proven by the fact that other slayer type magics are super effective against their enemies
 
@Kaiser

That's just what I said though. The problem is, the term "super effective" applies only inverse, since on the forum this would be "magical resistance bypassing".

This is also why, if say, Natsu hurts one of the god dragons, it won't be a simple "he is super-effective". That will mean that he is indeed on the same tier as the dragon, since he managed to bypass the resistance it.

Ok, I'll try to explain it this way:

A god Dragon is High 6-A + has magical resistance. If Natsu hurts one of them, then that means that he bypassed the resistance, and damaged the normal High 6-A defence of a dragon, making him High 6-A as well.

So in other words, any other High 6-A FT character won't be able to damage a High 6-A dragon due to not having dragon slaying magic, while High 6-A dragon slayers should be able to match the said dragons
 
We should wait cause maybe dragon slayer magic just makes them weaker and isn't a AP thing but something that negates or weakens there magical and physical resistance.
 
Dragons are absurdly strong and defensive, Dragon Slayer Magic lets you do far more damage to them, that means that it's super effective, if all it did, was make you do Neutral Damage, The Dragon Slayers would not be able to hurt Dragons as they are far stronger in Magic and Physical Abilities, we're both saying that they are super effective, just in different ways
 
@Torch

But what dragon slayer magic is doing is bypassing a dragons scales, and hitting their flesh those doing more damage to the dragons. A dragons magic resistance and phyiscal attack resistance comes from their scales that cover their skin, without these scales a dragon is just easily defeated by anyone. So if a dragon slayer magic can bypass a dragons natural resistance that comes from his scale, then they will do a lot more damage then someone who isn't able to bypass their scales.

Fairy tail wiki : "Dragons are extremely powerful creatures, so powerful, in fact, that a form of Magic had to be created to combat them; their scales are so strong that, aside from Dragon Slayer Magic,[11] no other form of Magic can pierce through them.[12]This conceived notion does not, however, apply to Acnologia, who was unaffected by both regular and Dragon Slayer Magic."
 
Ok, I'll explain it in another way.

We have a 7-A mage and a 7-A dragon. a 7-A mage won't be able to hurt a 7-A dragon because of their resistance, despite them being on the same tier.

A 7-A dragon slayer however, will be able to damage a 7-A dragon and fight them equally since their magical resistance will be bypassed.

A good example is Erza's High 6-C PoF form. Despite breaking the meteor, irene's strongest technique, Erza wouldn't be able to hurt her because of Irene's magical resistance.

However, when Wendy enchanted Erza with "Dragon slaying magic", Erza managed to hurt Irene, via bypassing the magic resistance.

@Aubin, you are implying that PoF Erza + Dragon slayer magic can one shot Irene, via being "super effective", which just isn't true. Neither can High 6-A Natsu one shot Dragon Acnologia, it would actually be a fair fight.
 
@Kaiser

They still have durability though, and that's the point. It's not that dragons are glass cannons without their scales. If that would be the case, then any dragon slayer could one shot any dragon, due to piercing through the scales and hitting the "norma human durability" nonscaled defence of dragons. That's what is wrong with your point.
 
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