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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

Can we at least change X792 Gajeel from "Matched 3rd Seal Bloodman" to "Matched Base Bloodman"?

Because that's much more accurate.
 
Eseseso said:
Can we at least change X792 Gajeel from "Matched 3rd Seal Bloodman" to "Matched Base Bloodman"?

Because that's much more accurate.
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No, because Base Gajeel and Third Seal Bloodman's Roars clashed evenly, Base Gajeel was mainly losing cause he couldn't actually hit Bloodman
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
No, because Base Gajeel and Third Seal Bloodman's Roars clashed evenly, Base Gajeel was only losing cause he couldn't actually hit Bloodman
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Then how about we change the write-up to say that his IDR matched Bloodman's IDR, because that is more accurate than saying that they were even the whole fight, which isn't true considering how Bloodman was still ragdolling him and Levy for most of the fight.
 
Eseseso said:
Then how about we change the write-up to say that his IDR matched Bloodman's IDR, because that is more accurate than saying that they were even the whole fight, which isn't true considering how Bloodman was still ragdolling him and Levy for most of the fight.
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Ugh, fine, jesus
 
Also, I just thought of something on another subject.

So Wahl can use Etherion (even though he doesn't scale to it for obvious reasons), right?

Well, as Mitch stated in his God Tier blog for FT, Hiro is still implying that Wahl can use Etherion, and yet the fact that Wahl never considered dropping an Etherion blast on top of Human Acnologia could be an indicator that Human Acnologia is above Etherion.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, I just thought of something on another subject.

So Wahl can use Etherion (even though he doesn't scale to it for obvious reasons), right?

Well, as Mitch stated in his God Tier blog for FT, Hiro is still implying that Wahl can use Etherion, and yet the fact that Wahl never considered dropping an Etherion blast on top of Human Acnologia could be an indicator that Human Acnologia is above Etherion.
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Does Wahl even know that Acnologia has a human form though??

because Acnologia being a human isn’t well known knowledge
 
TheForgottenKing said:
Does Wahl even know that Acnologia has a human form though??

because Acnologia being a human isn’t well known knowledge
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To be fair, if Hiro had wanted for Human Acno to be weaker than Wahl's Etherion I'm certain that he'd have shown it.

Also, the fact that August, Irene and/or Zeref (who all know that Acno has a human form) never considered having Wahl blast Acnologia with it further implies that it wouldn't kill his human form.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, I just thought of something on another subject.

So Wahl can use Etherion (even though he doesn't scale to it for obvious reasons), right?

Well, as Mitch stated in his God Tier blog for FT, Hiro is still implying that Wahl can use Etherion, and yet the fact that Wahl never considered dropping an Etherion blast on top of Human Acnologia could be an indicator that Human Acnologia is above Etherion.
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This is hella loose, we have no knowledge on Wall's Etherion and it's relation to anyone
 
Eseseso said:
To be fair, if Hiro had wanted for Human Acno to be weaker than Wahl's Etherion I'm certain that he'd have shown it.

Also, the fact that August, Irene and/or Zeref (who all know that Acno has a human form) never considered having Wahl blast Acnologia with it further implies that it wouldn't kill his human form.
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Likely because each of them knew he could just transform into his dragon form and it wouldn’t have effected him due to him scaling above it

Plus we have no idea about Whal Etherion it could be weaker or stronger than the one Fiore used to employ
 
Some may argue Ocaam's Razor and that Wall's Etherion = Council's Etherion, but that assumes so much, it ain't even funny...

Like not only did we never see him fire it, we have no idea if it has the same energy output or power requisite, like Etherion was greater than the sum magic of everything in Ishgar during X784, not to mention Makarov said that Etherion was a huge threat to the Alvarez Empire and held them off for a long time, that doesn't really make much sense if Alvarez has 12+ Etherion level people, not to mention a far narratively weaker weapon like Jupiter is capable to severely damaging a Spriggan, not to mention August having the power to destroy a country by killing himself was considered a big deal

I mean sure, Etherion level Spriggans is very much a meta that exists and is valid to an extent and one of the most reliable metas, but definitely not by VSBW's standards at all and it's just so full of unknown factors, that we can't reliably use it
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Some may argue Ocaam's Razor and that Wall's Etherion = Council's Etherion, but that assumes so much, it ain't even funny...

Like not only did we never see him fire it, we have no idea if it has the same energy output or power requisite, like Etherion was greater than the sum magic of everything in Ishgar during X784, plus Makarov said that Etherion was a huge threat to the Alvarez Empire and held them off for a long time, that doesn't really make much sense if Alvarez has 12+ Etherion level things, not to mention a far narratively weaker weapon like Jupiter is capable to severely damaging a Spriggan, not to mention August having the power to destroy a country by killing himself was considered a big deal

I mean sure, Etherion level Spriggans is very much a meta that exists and is valid to an extent, but not by VSBW's standards at all
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Excellent response.

Well, even with Wahl-Etherion Scaling impossible, their are still other possible implications.

1. The fact that the real Etherion was still never considered by the story's narrative as capable of killing Acno.

2. Ignia says that Dragon Gods are above human weapons, and it's quite possible that this could possibly include Human Form Dragon Gods as well. It helps that he says this in Human Form.
 
Eseseso said:
Excellent response.

Well, even with Wahl-Etherion Scaling impossible, their are still other possible implications.

1. The fact that the real Etherion was still never considered by the story's narrative as capable of killing Acno.

2. Ignia says that Dragon Gods are above human weapons, and it's quite possible that this could possibly include Human Form Dragon Gods as well. It helps that he says this in Human Form.
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1. Baseline assumption is that this can only be applied to Dragon Form Acnologia

2. Baseline assumption is that this can only be applied to Dragon Form Dragon Gods
 
Uh Mitch, I was checking out your Sandbox and I couldn't help but notice that in it, you have 100YQ FDKM Natsu at Low 6-B.

Do you have an upcoming CRT planned?
 
A question: Why the match where Erza lost to EMIYA was removed from both profiles ? Did she got upgraded?

EDIT: Same can be said on her lost to Nero Bride
 
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Well, Erza still had that 6-C key from what i seen, but kinda redundant to make a rematch between her and the two (especially Emiya and Nero are now way busted)

....Unless i can make Erza vs someone else
 
Hmm something about ft makes no sense to me and its magic power. Obviously the more you have the stronger you seem to be. More magic power means more ap, as well as more tankiness. Okay but wouldn't it technically mean Wendy magic power is comparable to BDKs? She didn't just win she actually one shot with a strong attack. And she was fine after he upper cutted her to the ceiling. So doesn't that mean her magic power is same as gildarts lol. Which ig isn't crazy bc he is stronger than base Irene and August but its just crazy to see Wendy as a gildarts tier.

Ofc this is all under assumption he really is defeated. Basically I still don't get why the bad guys are rarely scared of the good guys unless its laxus or gildarts. Like do ft members have a better guage of magic power? Because if Wendy beat Haku with one move that technically means her magic power is in same ballpark. Yet.. Haku never considered she was on his level? Can bad guys not sense magic power? Or is it selective. Idk this reallyyyyy bothers me. Like you would think if Wendy magic power wss comparable to his he wouldn't be so carefree idk lol. I'm just gunns say bad guys have a selective magic power reader for the sake of them looking stronger when they aren't
 
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So I have multiple conclusions.

1. Fairy tail members cannot sense their own magic power. They Guage their strength based on whom they have defeated. But other than that they have no idea how strong they actually are like they can't feel their own energy. This is partly why I said that mirajane being scared of irene wasn't the best evidence Alegria wasn't at least on base Irene tier.

2. Villains don't sense the full potential of one's magic power. They can maybe get a glimpse a person is strong, but they don't sense as much magic power as much as a ft member sense in an opponent. Usually. It can be selective.

3. So being scared of an enemy doesn't make u weaker. Because good guys can't seem to sense their own magic power if they could they would know all of them were spriggan tier back in last arc. But this only applies to Good guys seems like.

4. So when you have 1 and 2 where the villains can't seem to Guage the full strength of a good guy and the good guys can't Guage their own magic power and their confidence in their abilities stems entirely on accomplishments. Beating Mard geer, beating hades, Yada Yada.

But the reason I note them not sensing their own magic power is because its important. They wouldn't be so scared of their enemies if they realized they had the same amount of magic power or at least relative. Or more in some cases. I'm also not saying winning means u have more magic power but when you one shot your enemy it kinda does actually. If you win wss by cunning maybe not. But this just made me get more confidence mirajane Alegria is at most base Irene tier. Cause one counter argument wss she being scared of irene but I just said it was bc she wss in base and out of magic power.
 
Having more magic power makes you more powerful, but different magic types have different specialties.
So a magic type focused almost entirely on speed will spend most of its magic power on boosting speed, rather than mostly on boosting attack and defense.
 
Veroniica_Lodgee said:
So I have multiple conclusions.

1. Fairy tail members cannot sense their own magic power. They Guage their strength based on whom they have defeated. But other than that they have no idea how strong they actually are like they can't feel their own energy. This is partly why I said that mirajane being scared of irene wasn't the best evidence Alegria wasn't at least on base Irene tier.

2. Villains don't sense the full potential of one's magic power. They can maybe get a glimpse a person is strong, but they don't sense as much magic power as much as a ft member sense in an opponent. Usually. It can be selective.

3. So being scared of an enemy doesn't make u weaker. Because good guys can't seem to sense their own magic power if they could they would know all of them were spriggan tier back in last arc. But this only applies to Good guys seems like.

4. So when you have 1 and 2 where the villains can't seem to Guage the full strength of a good guy and the good guys can't Guage their own magic power and their confidence in their abilities stems entirely on accomplishments. Beating Mard geer, beating hades, Yada Yada.

But the reason I note them not sensing their own magic power is because its important. They wouldn't be so scared of their enemies if they realized they had the same amount of magic power or at least relative. Or more in some cases. I'm also not saying winning means u have more magic power but when you one shot your enemy it kinda does actually. If you win wss by cunning maybe not. But this just made me get more confidence mirajane Alegria is at most base Irene tier. Cause one counter argument wss she being scared of irene but I just said it was bc she wss in base and out of magic power.
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It’s just typical Hiro Mashima writing, no matter how you look at it, the heroes always underestimate themselves and the villains are always overhyped, until they actually fight and you see that the Heroes were always stronger

Hiro does this to build hype for villains, but he always overdoes it, I mean hell Natsu was considering using Igneel’s Power against Brandish of all people, which is ridiculous, people saying someone has an immense amount of magic power is still valid for scaling, I mean you can still be weaker than someone and scale relative, not to mention Emotion Boosts, which increase magic power in a moment and aren’t the baseline magic power that can be felt

Also Mira ain’t Irene level, stop capping
 
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