Expanding the Genshin Energy Systems

[GarrixianXD]

I know the sandbox might look compacted; I'll find a way to tidy it up and I'll make a separate page for Abyssal Energy manipulation.

GarrixianXD/Elemental Manipulation (Genshin Impact)

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Some potentially strong information in this sandbox was already accepted, and some were not:

Elemental Energy is approved to be type 2 information and the Realm of Consciousness is approved to be a type 1 concept from this CRT.

Souls and memories are directly connected to type 2 information due to being the same souls as the one in Honkai: Star Rail, were are already listed as type 2 information.

Scaling:

Every Genshin profile will scale respectfully to the fundamental mechanics of elemental power, and the basic elemental manipulation will be assigned to the characters based on their affined element (i.e. Wanderer will have Anemo Manipulation because he wields anemo)

Ley Lines Manipulation will be assigned to Raiden Shogun via planting the Sakura Tree which is connected to the ley lines, Nahida via purifying Irminsul and Traveller who can activate Ley Line Outcrops. Azhdaha should also scale through this dialogue. Not sure who else should get Ley Lines Manipulation so feel free to tell me in the replies section.

Archons such as Nahida and Raiden Shogun get archon physiology, Dragon Sovereigns get sovereign physiology

Harbingers such as Tartaglia and Arlecchino get harbinger abilities

Adepti gets adeptus arts and physiology; Xiao gets yaksha physiology along with the former mentioned abilities for being a yaksha; except for Shenhe and Yanfei, who only gets adeptal arts.

Mona gets witch magic and astrology via being a mage of Hexenzirkel.

Characters of Khaeneriah and the Abyss get Abyssal Energy (not High-Level Manipulation), except for all hilichurls

Skirk and the All Devouring Narwhal also get Abyssal Energy, via being outsiders of Teyvat, with the Narwhall showed to possess Abyssal Energy; Skirk is Tartaglia's teacher who taught him the abyssal technique, Foul Legacy.

Additional upgrades made to certain characters:

The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

Credits to @Le'garde273 and Perish for pretty much being the life support of this CRT.

 

[GarrixianXD]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus @Planck69 @Firestorm808 @LordGriffin1000 Evaluations please, thanks in-advanced!

 

[Woomica]

The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

puppet level argument
anyway i agree with majority of stuff but i will cover some stuff im sceptical about tomorrow

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus @Planck69 @Firestorm808 @LordGriffin1000 Evaluations please, thanks in-advanced!

I don't think I'm the best choice to evaluate this

 

[Gonzalo]

I agree with everything

 

[Catzlaflame]

I also am having a hard time eval’ing this ngl, not cus of anything w the blog, but just it’s just hard to keep track off all the concepts described and how they relate with the proposals. I did read the whole thing, and nothing strikes me as downright wrong from that glance, but again, Its hard to digest for someone who doesn’t know the verse, so I’ll tentatively say it looks fine if no one else has any problems, but will once again reiterate that I am by no means the best person to evaluate this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

puppet level argument

Anyways, agree with this upgrade.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

so much wrong things in it

Likely Chaos Manipulation (The Art of Khemia was hinted to be one of the major causes of the cataclysm that occurred 500 years ago, an catastrophic event that caused devastation throughout all realms of the Universe, especially the nation Khaenri'ah which was completely destroyed[93][94])

just flowery talk about how the art caused a mess

Reality Warping and Precognition (Witches of Hexenzirkel are able to see through fate and create new stories and destinies through prophecies, altering the world and the history of the future to ensure its fulfillment[88][89][90])

only applicable to the story world they created

• Acausality (Type 4 [Resistant to Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Precognition and Time Manipulation]; Elemental energy is said to have existed before the concept of time was even established, making it unbound by the concept of time entirely[78])

first two are just flowery talks about something happening in old past and third scans just refers to apep age

• Possibly Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation (It was implied that the gods can seize their own destinies.[68] Causality is irreversibly attached to fate[69])

no gods can`t do that, it was about fortuna and the plan of remus to use the mass will , no something all gods can do

• Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation (Upon attaining an elemental authority over one of the seven elements and the throne of it, they'll no longer be bound by the system of fate.[72] Casuality is irreversibly attached by fate, hence, cause and effect is tied and unseparated with the system of fate[69])

no the seven are bound by it, the entire plot of fontaine is about the gods not able to escape fate and trying to

• Ley Lines Manipulation (As a divine being who achieved True Will, archons are unbound by all of the concepts that shape up the Ley Line system, the Universe's premise. The ley lines systems contains elemental energy, souls and memories that makes-up reality's fundamental existence, laws and history[70][71])

nothing mentioning the gods beyond leyline system just the gods being powerful

The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

no it was just talking about ambitions being strong enough to impress raiden that is it

 

[GarrixianXD]

only applicable to the story world they created

Fair enough, I listed it as non-combatable.

no gods can`t do that, it was about fortuna and the plan of remus to use the mass will , no something all gods can do

Can you provide more context for this? Iirc it was @Breakdown who provided me the scan; if she says that it isn't applicable to archons or sovereigns then I suppose it can be removed.

no the seven are bound by it, the entire plot of fontaine is about the gods not able to escape fate and trying to

Iirc it was the fate that was imposed upon them by Celestia, not natural fate itself

 

[Le'garde273]

first two are just flowery talks about something happening in old past and third scans just refers to apep age

Not sure how blatant statement "before beginning of time" is flowery word And especially it's confirmed with other statement "before even the concept of time was created"

no gods can`t do that, it was about fortuna and the plan of remus to use the mass will , no something all gods can do

Fortuna just remurian term about rules or fate that bound to the skies, they didn't use "fate" Word because they believe it was word used by slave or barbarian. The whole point of remurian story is remus trying to denying prophecy or their fate.

 

[Vietthai96]

The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

What??, how??, why??, BDE Type 1 don't make you non-physical, the hell, i disagree with this cause this is nonsense

 

[Giannysmag]

Gonna respond later tonight cause there is so much wrong with this page

 

[Puppet43]

puppet level argument

Nah, at least my goofy things had some lvl of credibility

 

[Breakdown]

no gods can`t do that, it was about fortuna and the plan of remus to use the mass will , no something all gods can do


no the seven are bound by it, the entire plot of fontaine is about the gods not able to escape fate and trying to


nothing mentioning the gods beyond leyline system just the gods being powerful


no it was just talking about ambitions being strong enough to impress raiden that is it

No, these ambitions were so strong that the Shogun could not beat them. I have thought long and hard, and there is nothing that transcending time and space could be a metaphor for here since the visions are gathered from exactly one location in time. Any flowery language argument would be a copout which would refuse to engage the text and its ramifications.

You forget that a curse from Celestia is a curse on the fundamental levels of reality itself, so even acausality 4 wouldn’t help since you’re still part of the world’s causality. That also means that the Archons being unable to escape their roles given them by Celestia wouldn’t be an anti feat if Celestia can manipulate fate on that scale. That said, I am uncertain about the scale in question being used for Acausality 4 by itself. I’ll look around more.

 

[Breakdown]

No, these ambitions were so strong that the Shogun could not beat them. I have thought long and hard, and there is nothing that transcending time and space could be a metaphor for here since the visions are gathered from exactly one location in time. Any flowery language argument would be a copout which would refuse to engage the text and its ramifications.

You forget that a curse from Celestia is a curse on the fundamental levels of reality itself, so even acausality 4 wouldn’t help since you’re still part of the world’s causality. That also means that the Archons being unable to escape their roles given them by Celestia wouldn’t be an anti feat if Celestia can manipulate fate on that scale. That said, I am uncertain about the scale in question being used for Acausality 4 by itself. I’ll look around more.

*Edit: Due to being tired, I misread everything and assumed this scan was about Acausality and not Fate/Causality manipulation. I will present my arguments for the actual topic now.

Divine entities are directly stated to be able to affect all they survey, and an extension of this is The Almighty Shogun being able to control the stars which command fate. So yes, Gods have Fate Manipulation.

 

[Furina003]

I agree with everything, except npi To Bde1, My suggestion is just eliminate it, because BDE are entities that exist outside spacetime but that doesn't mean they don't have physicality, they are just immune to space and time manipulation.

 

[Woomica]

OK ill drop quick summary to what i find weird:

• Existence Erasure ([Fundamental, Memories, Soul and Information (Type 2)]; If a Ley Lines system that pertains to one's being were to be replaced, then they'll be erased from existence and all of reality will be rewritten according to their disappearance, which causes everyone who remember the erased entity to have all their memories erased.[43] Arlecchino stated the loss of memories results in the byproduct of losing one-self. Once one's memories becomes consumed by flames, their entire existence in the present will be erased and then wake-up in the past, forever confined with their own past. All of the affairs and memories concerning to them in the present will also be erased, to the point no one practically remembers them and regarded as to have "died".[50] The Memories reside in the soul, which contains the consciousness[Honkai: Star Rail 1] and fundamental information[Honkai: Star Rail 2][Honkai: Star Rail 3][Honkai: Star Rail 4][Honkai: Star Rail 5])

This bolded part is Arlecchino exclusive abliity since this is work of her blood, not the capability to manipulate ley lines...(I EXPLAINED THAT IN OUR DMS)

• Enhanced Existence Erasure (Soul, Information (Type 2), Memories, History and Concept (Type 1)) and Greatly Enhanced Information Manipulation (Type 2; Nahida erased Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness and cut its connection with Irminsul with her elemental authority.[14] Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness universally shaped and governed all of Irminsul from 500 years ago, causing it to be disconnected from Irminsul's entire history.[14] Simultaneously as a byproduct, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata fundamental existence was completely erased from history[14])

Nahida exclusive only, also this is either non combat applicable or if there is a scan that her conciousness is connected to irminsul then its fine to use for her EXCLUSIVELY

• Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Human will is consisted of the conceptual nature of the spirit and will, systems that consists of the concepts of memories, wishes and the fundamental soul which are practically concepts that makes up the entire Ley Lines system, that shapes the Universe itself. Those who achieved divinity are granted a state so-called "True Will", and through this "True Will", it allows a divine being to be completely unbounded by human will, thus the Ley Line network, allowing them to transcend beyond the physical reality.[70] Through Immortality, it allows one to transcend all laws that pertains to the Universe[71])

This is so weird that im not even goin go argue for it, just saying this is 90% flowery language and shouldnt be taken seriously.

• Reality Warping and Precognition (Non-combatable; Witches of Hexenzirkel are able to see through fate and create new stories and destinies through prophecies, altering the world and the history of the future to ensure its fulfillment[88][89][90])

Precognition is combat applicable, Mona literally did this once

• Beyond-Dimensional (Type 1; The power of the top 3 Fatui Harbingers are powerful enough to rival, and potentially even surpass that of the Seven Archons of Teyvat, hence, they can successfully interact and compete with their power.[14] Capitano was able to fight Mavuika, the current Pyro Archon[15])
• The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

Nothing remotely implies that Capitano nor any top 3 Fatui can interact with "True Will" of archons... and Mavuika is ******* physically present there GARRIXIANE, and Traveler one is bad as well since ambitions transcending time and space is ******* flowery langauge slapped across the screen like what do you expect for emotions to do, become low 1-A and one shot shogun?, this is clearly explaining how will of people that traveler used (vision=ambition) to defeat shogun, and if this actually passes its only for his Inazuma key.

Leylines should also be very limited for characters that can interact with it, as even Loom Of Fate was said to not have enough ability to tamper with reality, i dont see any reason why listed characters that can tamper with leyline have complete control over it and its abilities
Thats all for now

 

[Breakdown]

I agree with everything, except npi To Bde1, My suggestion is just eliminate it, because BDE are entities that exist outside spacetime but that doesn't mean they don't have physicality, they are just immune to space and time manipulation.

Could just make it Dimensional Manipulation or some jazz

 

[Furina003]

OK ill drop quick summary to what i find weird:

• Existence Erasure ([Fundamental, Memories, Soul and Information (Type 2)]; If a Ley Lines system that pertains to one's being were to be replaced, then they'll be erased from existence and all of reality will be rewritten according to their disappearance, which causes everyone who remember the erased entity to have all their memories erased.[43] Arlecchino stated the loss of memories results in the byproduct of losing one-self. Once one's memories becomes consumed by flames, their entire existence in the present will be erased and then wake-up in the past, forever confined with their own past. All of the affairs and memories concerning to them in the present will also be erased, to the point no one practically remembers them and regarded as to have "died".[50] The Memories reside in the soul, which contains the consciousness[Honkai: Star Rail 1] and fundamental information[Honkai: Star Rail 2][Honkai: Star Rail 3][Honkai: Star Rail 4][Honkai: Star Rail 5])

This bolded part is Arlecchino exclusive abliity since this is work of her blood, not the capability to manipulate ley lines...(I EXPLAINED THAT IN OUR DMS)

• Enhanced Existence Erasure (Soul, Information (Type 2), Memories, History and Concept (Type 1)) and Greatly Enhanced Information Manipulation (Type 2; Nahida erased Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness and cut its connection with Irminsul with her elemental authority.[14] Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness universally shaped and governed all of Irminsul from 500 years ago, causing it to be disconnected from Irminsul's entire history.[14] Simultaneously as a byproduct, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata fundamental existence was completely erased from history[14])

Nahida exclusive only, also this is either non combat applicable or if there is a scan that her conciousness is connected to irminsul then its fine to use for her EXCLUSIVELY

• Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Human will is consisted of the conceptual nature of the spirit and will, systems that consists of the concepts of memories, wishes and the fundamental soul which are practically concepts that makes up the entire Ley Lines system, that shapes the Universe itself. Those who achieved divinity are granted a state so-called "True Will", and through this "True Will", it allows a divine being to be completely unbounded by human will, thus the Ley Line network, allowing them to transcend beyond the physical reality.[70] Through Immortality, it allows one to transcend all laws that pertains to the Universe[71])

Nahida: It's possible that the Fatui have other information that even I don't know about. And since The Balladeer used to be one of them, he'll be better acquainted with this information than I am.
Nahida: He was granted the power to connect with Irminsul when he almost became the god of a new era. Even though he no longer has the Gnosis, some traces of its power remain in him. He can still connect.
Nahida: The amount of information in Irminsul is vast beyond description. Sifting through all of it without knowing what to look for would take too long, even for me.

The existence erasure must still apply to high-level gods, because Nahida says that Scaramouce can connect with Irminsul because he was once a god and even though Scara no longer has gnosis, the remnants of his divine power are enough to connect. to Irminsul.

Precognition is combat applicable, Mona literally did this once

i agree with this.
for npi bde type 1 Looks like it should be deleted.
for bde type 1 im neutral , because the vision user's ambition is to be able to reach the realm of the gods in the sky, which is said to be a higher realm.

 

[Voidnether]

You forget that a curse from Celestia is a curse on the fundamental levels of reality itself, so even acausality 4 wouldn’t help since you’re still part of the world’s causality. That also means that the Archons being unable to escape their roles given them by Celestia wouldn’t be an anti feat if Celestia can manipulate fate on that scale. That said, I am uncertain about the scale in question being used for Acausality 4 by itself. I’ll look around more.

If that's the case, full authority sovereign is the only one who's gonna get Acausality Type 4. Celestia's fate manipulation is limited to teyvat only, you should look more at Neuvillette's character 5 story and his teapot dialogues to understand what I meant by this tbh

 

[Breakdown]

• Enhanced Existence Erasure (Soul, Information (Type 2), Memories, History and Concept (Type 1)) and Greatly Enhanced Information Manipulation (Type 2; Nahida erased Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness and cut its connection with Irminsul with her elemental authority.[14] Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness universally shaped and governed all of Irminsul from 500 years ago, causing it to be disconnected from Irminsul's entire history.[14] Simultaneously as a byproduct, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata fundamental existence was completely erased from history[14])

Nahida exclusive only, also this is either non combat applicable or if there is a scan that her conciousness is connected to irminsul then its fine to use for her EXCLUSIVELY

Nahida is the literal reincarnation of Rukkahadevatta, who is the incarnation of Irminsul and an expression of the same nature, so it would make no sense for her to not be connected to Irminsul.

The possession of a True Will is a way that humans can become gods, this is stated directly as fact.

In the Traveller vs Ei fight, there’s no implication that he one shot her once he got 100 visions, just that he was strong enough to beat her. As I said in the discord and my comment, I can’t see any way that transcending space and time would be flowery or metaphorical here. Flowery language is a truth claim as much as stating that a text is literal.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

• Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Human will is consisted of the conceptual nature of the spirit and will, systems that consists of the concepts of memories, wishes and the fundamental soul which are practically concepts that makes up the entire Ley Lines system, that shapes the Universe itself. Those who achieved divinity are granted a state so-called "True Will", and through this "True Will", it allows a divine being to be completely unbounded by human will, thus the Ley Line network, allowing them to transcend beyond the physical reality.[70] Through Immortality, it allows one to transcend all laws that pertains to the Universe[71])

Yeah, no, this isn't even something remotely BDE1.
The only "similar" thing related to BDE1 I can find in the first scan is the mention of "transcending from physical realm", and in the other scan it mentions transcending the laws of the material world. However, the problem is that just statements like transcending physicality does not grant BDE1, and is more of a thing related to simple incorporeality.
While I don't know the verse, the line:

allow me to show thee the essence of "immortality" and the judgment of the "Rain of Blades" that transcends the laws of the material world!

This very much just sounds like attacking someone with incorporeal blades made of energy.
Quoting the BDE and Incorporeality page:

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

Note, however, that simply being incorporeal is not sufficient for this ability. The character must specifically not be a part of space at all, while incorporeal beings (e.g. Ghosts) can still have extension in it, despite their lack of bodies.

Incorporeal (or Non-Corporeal) beings are those who have no true physical form. Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically, whether as a soul, as energy, or as an abstract concept. Being incorporeal is very different than Intangibility, as an intangible being's body is their true body, it just can't be affected by conventional physical forces. A incorporeal being does not usually have any kind of concrete, defined form, and can appear in many different forms if they wish, though the destruction of these bodies is of little relevance to the entity behind them.

So hard disagree with BDE1 related stuff.

Speech, Memory, Emotion, Perception, Soul and Information Transmutation (All Types; Wielders of elements, especially an elemental creature, can convert knowledge, speech, emotions and memories into pure elemental energy.[27][28] The Memories reside in the soul, which contains the consciousness[Honkai: Star Rail 1] and fundamental information[Honkai: Star Rail 2][Note 1])

Just to be sure, why is Speech linked to text manipulation? Shouldn't it be more like Sound Manipulation [given speech is referring to the voices of characters], or does "Speech" have a specific definition in-verse?

 

[Breakdown]

If that's the case, full authority sovereign is the only one who's gonna get Acausality Type 4. Celestia's fate manipulation is limited to teyvat only, you should look more at Neuvillette's character 5 story and his teapot dialogues to understand what I meant by this tbh

“Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.”

Characters with Acausality type 4 are not immune to causality manipulation by default. That would be Acausality type 5. Characters with Acausality 4 operate under an unusual system, but operate under it, nonetheless.

Also, about Neuvillette’s story:

One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him. After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings.

Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm," and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate.”

It was gaining one part of the authority over the world that made him not subscribe to the system of fate. This is also something that Archons have.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

How genshin is getting more haxed than HI3 and HSR

 

[Voidnether]

How genshin is getting more haxed than HI3 and HSR

Sushang victim though

Sushang (Honkai: Star Rail)

Li Sushang (李素裳Lǐ Sùshang?) is a naive and enthusiastic newcomer to the Cloud Knights who wields a greatsword. She yearns for the historic legends of the Cloud Knights, and is eager to become such a legendary figure herself. As such, Sushang firmly believes in the philosophies "be eager to help...

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[Breakdown]

Sushang victim though

Sushang (Honkai: Star Rail)

Li Sushang (李素裳Lǐ Sùshang?) is a naive and enthusiastic newcomer to the Cloud Knights who wields a greatsword. She yearns for the historic legends of the Cloud Knights, and is eager to become such a legendary figure herself. As such, Sushang firmly believes in the philosophies "be eager to help...

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REAL

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Can you provide more context for this? Iirc it was @Breakdown who provided me the scan; if she says that it isn't applicable to archons or sovereigns then I suppose it can be removed.

the whole plan about it was having all the remurian wills in a symphony to try to escape fate which failed.

The existence erasure must still apply to high-level gods, because Nahida says that Scaramouce can connect with Irminsul because he was once a god and even though Scara no longer has gnosis, the remnants of his divine power are enough to connect. to Irminsul.

no scara is a special case, he only can do that because he was meant to be a replacement for nahida by the sages no other gods can`t interfere with the irmisul

 

[Woomica]

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no scara is a special case, he only can do that because he was meant to be a replacement for nahida by the sages no other gods can`t interfere with the irmisul

do you have a source of this? if so pls send here

 

[Furina003]

no scara is a special case, he only can do that because he was meant to be a replacement for nahida by the sages no other gods can`t interfere with the irmisul

There's nothing that requires that specifically for Scara, Nahida just mentioned that Scara was once a god because he used gnosis, and this allows Scara to be connected to irminsul even though she doesn't hold gnosis anymore, and you need to remember that what Scara uses is Raiden Shogun's gnosis.

 

[GarrixianXD]

OK ill drop quick summary to what i find weird:

• Existence Erasure ([Fundamental, Memories, Soul and Information (Type 2)]; If a Ley Lines system that pertains to one's being were to be replaced, then they'll be erased from existence and all of reality will be rewritten according to their disappearance, which causes everyone who remember the erased entity to have all their memories erased.[43] Arlecchino stated the loss of memories results in the byproduct of losing one-self. Once one's memories becomes consumed by flames, their entire existence in the present will be erased and then wake-up in the past, forever confined with their own past. All of the affairs and memories concerning to them in the present will also be erased, to the point no one practically remembers them and regarded as to have "died".[50] The Memories reside in the soul, which contains the consciousness[Honkai: Star Rail 1] and fundamental information[Honkai: Star Rail 2][Honkai: Star Rail 3][Honkai: Star Rail 4][Honkai: Star Rail 5])

This bolded part is Arlecchino exclusive abliity since this is work of her blood, not the capability to manipulate ley lines...(I EXPLAINED THAT IN OUR DMS)

You only said that this was memory erasure, which I later changed. Don't remember you telling anything about this being exclusive to Arlecchino, but oh well, ****. Though, looking back, she is rather talking about the loss of memories in general, which does pertains to ley lines since it is a network of memories after all.

• Enhanced Existence Erasure (Soul, Information (Type 2), Memories, History and Concept (Type 1)) and Greatly Enhanced Information Manipulation (Type 2; Nahida erased Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness and cut its connection with Irminsul with her elemental authority.[14] Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness universally shaped and governed all of Irminsul from 500 years ago, causing it to be disconnected from Irminsul's entire history.[14] Simultaneously as a byproduct, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata fundamental existence was completely erased from history[14])
  
  
• Nahida exclusive only, also this is either non combat applicable or if there is a scan that her conciousness is connected to irminsul then its fine to use for her EXCLUSIVELY

Raiden Shogun was also able to tamper with Makoto's realm of consciousness; neither abilities were explained thoroughly on how it was done, but since it was done by 2 archons it shouldn't be exclusive to only Nahida. Also, not sure where you get the non-combatable argument from.

• Reality Warping and Precognition (Non-combatable; Witches of Hexenzirkel are able to see through fate and create new stories and destinies through prophecies, altering the world and the history of the future to ensure its fulfillment[88][89][90])

Precognition is combat applicable, Mona literally did this once

K

• Beyond-Dimensional (Type 1; The power of the top 3 Fatui Harbingers are powerful enough to rival, and potentially even surpass that of the Seven Archons of Teyvat, hence, they can successfully interact and compete with their power.[14] Capitano was able to fight Mavuika, the current Pyro Archon[15])
• The Traveller should have Type 1 BDE NPI via possessing ambitions transcending space and time and defeating Raiden Shogun.

Nothing remotely implies that Capitano nor any top 3 Fatui can interact with "True Will" of archons... and Mavuika is ******* physically present there GARRIXIANE, and Traveler one is bad as well since ambitions transcending time and space is ******* flowery langauge slapped across the screen like what do you expect for emotions to do, become low 1-A and one shot shogun?, this is clearly explaining how will of people that traveler used (vision=ambition) to defeat shogun, and if this actually passes its only for his Inazuma key.

Leylines should also be very limited for characters that can interact with it, as even Loom Of Fate was said to not have enough ability to tamper with reality, i dont see any reason why listed characters that can tamper with leyline have complete control over it and its abilities
Thats all for now

And I'm not arguing for Low 1-A. Simply transcending space and time doesn't automatically grant any 1-A ratings; BDE requires you to have non-dimensional traits, not strictly disallowing you to be present in reality, especially considering it is just type 1. The Loom of Fate can't tamper with reality and manipulate the Universe as a whole, is what Dainsleif said.

Yeah, no, this isn't even something remotely BDE1.
The only "similar" thing related to BDE1 I can find in the first scan is the mention of "transcending from physical realm", and in the other scan it mentions transcending the laws of the material world. However, the problem is that just statements like transcending physicality does not grant BDE1, and is more of a thing related to simple incorporeality.
While I don't know the verse, the line:

This very much just sounds like attacking someone with incorporeal blades made of energy.
Quoting the BDE and Incorporeality page:

So hard disagree with BDE1 related stuff.

The physical realm usually denotes the Universe, and transcending the boundaries of the Universe does account for BDE Type 1 since you're unbound by the spatial and temporal features of the Universe and, therefore not a part of space and time.

Just to be sure, why is Speech linked to text manipulation? Shouldn't it be more like Sound Manipulation [given speech is referring to the voices of characters], or does "Speech" have a specific definition in-verse?

Honestly, I didn't even notice this (And yeah, b4 you ask, no I did not write the entire sandbox by myself). Yeah, I don't think it should be connected to text manipulation; I'll remove the link.

 

[Woomica]

You only said that this was memory erasure, which I later changed. Don't remember you telling anything about this being exclusive to Arlecchino, but oh well, ****. Though, looking back, she is rather talking about the loss of memories in general, which does pertains to ley lines since it is a network of memories after all.

Raiden Shogun was also able to tamper with Makoto's realm of consciousness; neither abilities were explained thoroughly on how it was done, but since it was done by 2 archons it shouldn't be exclusive to only Nahida. Also, not sure where you get the non-combatable argument from.

Nahida has to acces the irminsul before being able to use it, you have that in act 5 of sumeru and here

And I'm not arguing for Low 1-A. Simply transcending space and time doesn't automatically grant any 1-A ratings; BDE requires you to have non-dimensional traits, not strictly disallowing you to be present in reality, especially considering it is just type 1. The Loom of Fate can't tamper with reality and manipulate the Universe as a whole, is what Dainsleif said.

That one was a joke, still the entire context behind yae miko statement is just traveler gaining power of 99 visions to be able to defeat shogun, nothing implies he affected her "true will" or whatever bde1 argument stuff is for
Edit: Same goes for fatui, entire context of your argument is Capitano fighting Mavuika, nothing that he did was showing NPI on BDE stuff, you need more scans for this !

 

[Dog3352]

For now, I agree with what Woomica is saying, for now I'm neutral with the rest (I can't read everything or access the links, because I'm busy).
Since I probably won't be able to participate in the CRT because I'm busy, if I see something wrong, I'll do a CRT about it.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Nahida has to acces the irminsul before being able to use it, you have that in act 5 of sumeru and here

Nahida having access to Irminsul does have its merits, though, do you have any other scans that it pertains to Nahida being able to erase realms of consciousness? It seems like she's simply giving authority for Scaramouche to access Irminsul.

That one was a joke, still the entire context behind yae miko statement is just traveler gaining power of 99 visions to be able to defeat shogun, nothing implies he affected her "true will" or whatever bde1 argument stuff is for
Edit: Same goes for fatui, entire context of your argument is Capitano fighting Mavuika, nothing that he did was showing NPI on BDE stuff, you need more scans for this !

Bro, she was literally defeated. How else are you gonna beat a god then? Unless you argue that the True Will section is a bunch of bs, but make your stance more clear.

 

[Woomica]

Nahida having access to Irminsul does have its merits, though, do you have any other scans that it pertains to Nahida being able to erase realms of consciousness? It seems like she's simply giving authority for Scaramouche to access Irminsul.

I apologise, it seems that Irminsul does reside in nahidas/rukkhadevatas realm of conciounsess...yeah nahida can straight up have these abilities then.
my bad

Bro, she was literally defeated. How else are you gonna beat a god then? Unless you argue that the True Will section is a bunch of bs, but make your stance more clear.

• Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Human will is consisted of the conceptual nature of the spirit and will, systems that consists of the concepts of memories, wishes and the fundamental soul which are practically concepts that makes up the entire Ley Lines system, that shapes the Universe itself. Those who achieved divinity are granted a state so-called "True Will", and through this "True Will", it allows a divine being to be completely unbounded by human will, thus the Ley Line network, allowing them to transcend beyond the physical reality.[70] Through Immortality, it allows one to transcend all laws that pertains to the Universe[71])

Well given that it says that true will makes Archons unbound by Ley Line but then at the same time you posted that Nahida erased Rukkhadevata, another Archon despite being "unbound" by leyline, yeah......... it is BS

 

[GarrixianXD]

Well given that it says that true will makes Archons unbound by Ley Line but then at the same time you posted that Nahida erased Rukkhadevata, another Archon despite being "unbound" by leyline, yeah......... it is BS

Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness literally contains Irminsul. She died because of forbidden knowledge, and Nahida's erasure of her realm of consciousness had nothing to do with ley lines.

 

[Woomica]

Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness literally contains Irminsul. She died because of forbidden knowledge, and Nahida's erasure of her realm of consciousness had nothing to do with ley lines.

Irminsul is Teyvat's world tree, a type of silver-white tree which grows deep underground, and is connected to the Ley Lines of the world. It is said that the Dendro Archon's consciousness is directly connected to it,[1] and that it itself is the root of Dendro power.[2]

In fact it has to, Irminsul contains leylines, and it was corrupted by forbidden knowledge hence nahida had to erase Rukkhadevata to erase forbidden knowledge from Irminsul and leylines contained by it

 

[GarrixianXD]

In fact it has to, Irminsul contains leylines, and it was corrupted by forbidden knowledge hence nahida had to erase Rukkhadevata to erase forbidden knowledge from Irminsul and leylines contained by it

Ah, my bad then. Well, it is specifically stated for Rukkhadevata that her consciousness is connected to Irminsul, therefore erasing her realm of consciousness will purify it. It shouldn't apply to other archons.

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good

 

[Woomica]

Ah, my bad then. Well, it is specifically stated for Rukkhadevata that her consciousness is connected to Irminsul, therefore erasing her realm of consciousness will purify it. It shouldn't apply to other archons.

Her realm wasnt erased iirc, only rukkhadevata, since nahida can still reach into realm of conciousness where irminsul is because nahida is just rukkhadevata after she expended all her strenght to purify sumeru and reduced into child