Espeon Vs Issei

[DragonEmperor23]

He's asking wheter or not special attack and attack stats are considered Game Mechanics.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Like the difference between them or the stats them selves?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Like, since the move specifies that the special attack stat and attack stat are swapped, since just number stats aren't a real thing wouldn't it actually mean the power? Using the Acid Armor example from earlier, Espeon would get the defense buff but not take any damage. The difference between the two is that Acid Armor is them putting Acid on themselves whereas Issei's Infinity Power is just the power's existence. Boosting himself doesn't change any aspect about the power besides size. If Espeon were to use swap, then it would be swapping powers including the one where the user passively has their organs shut down.

 

[Overlord775]

No, Espeon only swaps the change of size of the power, not the power itself.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Belly Drum

 

[GyroNutz]

Also worth mentioning that acid armour isn't putting acid on yourself, it's quite literally melting/liquifying your body

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It swaps Special Attack stat and Attack stat which is the power.

 

[Overlord775]

Power Swap switches the user's attack stat '''stages''' and special attack stat '''stages''' with the target's Attack stat '''stages''' and Special Attack stat '''stages'''

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Right. It doesn't switch Acid Armor because Acid Armor isn't the acid, it's the defense. But with Issei, the attack power is the self harming acid.

 

[Overlord775]

Power Swap switches the user's attack stat stages and special attack stat stages with the target's Attack stat stages and Special Attack stat stages

also for those that don't know what stages are, they are the terms used for the level of stat boosts and stat reductions

 

[NeoZex6399]

Attack = Physical Hits

Special Attack = the rest

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Then Issei Boosts Espeon, who then reflects the Boost back on to him.

 

[Overlord775]

Then Issei Boosts Espeon, who then reflects the Boost back on to him.

???

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean...I guess that would work, but I doubt Issei's that smart.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Espeon FRA

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I mean...I guess that would work, but I doubt Issei's that smart.

This is Natsu all over again reee.

Intelligence: Academically dumb, but a skilled fighter who's capable of thinking up clever strategies on the fly, he was even capable of outsmarting Cao Cao with a little bit of prep (note that Cao Cao only had the upper hand because he had researched Issei's abilities thoroughly beforehand), and usually exploits his opponents' weaknesses in the middle of a fight.

Issei's smart enough to put it together, especially when abilities like Espeon are commonplace in the opponents he fights.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Can Issei's Boost even target another person?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Then Issei Boosts Espeon, who then reflects the Boost back on to him.

???

-Magic Bounce: Espeon's hidden ability. It is immune to any moves that don't do damage. In fact, it reflects any moves that fit the bill, doing the effect to the opponent instead.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Can Issei's Boost even target another person?

Yes, it's called Transfer.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

So, instead of just boosting multiple times, Issei's going to boost then transfer to activate magic bounce to get another boost that espeon can just power swap anyway. Am I getting that right?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

One Boost.

Espeon swaps.

Issei Boosts Espeon.

Issei is boosted.

Espeon swaps.

They both now have one Boost.

 

[GyroNutz]

You do know that boosting Espeon to have the boost transferred is more inefficient than simply boosting?

 

[YungManzi]

We allow power swap without reprecussions because of game stat stuff, but we consider PP game mechanics and disregard it....yeah...I'm not rolling...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Tfw I actually forgot about Power Swap and that Transfer was an actually clever win condition.

Keep in mind that even if Espeon doesn't power swap, Espeon can still copy via Psych Up or debuff via Charm/Tail Whip/Baby Doll Eyes/etc.

Also, when Espeon does get boosted due to Magic Bounce reflection or power copy or swap, Stored Power pretty much one shots due to the amount the cat's been boosted and how that move works.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You do know that boosting Espeon to have the boost transferred is more inefficient than simply boosting?

Not if Espeon can steal the Boosts which it can.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Also, when Espeon does get boosted due to Magic Bounce reflection or power copy or swap, Stored Power pretty much one shots due to the amount the cat's been boosted and how that move works.

What is Stored Power?

 

[Overlord775]

With a single boost Issei would still have an AP lower than Espeon's durability

 

[YungManzi]

As brought up earlier, wouldn't charm grant Issei access to his female specific abilities?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

We allow power swap without reprecussions because of game stat stuff, but we consider PP game mechanics and disregard it....yeah...I'm not rolling...

Belly Drum maxes attack in exchange of half of your HP. Power Swap would copy that boost without the HP loss.

 

[GyroNutz]

Whether Issei boosts himself or boosts via reflecting off of Espeon, he'd still be boosted, and can still be swapped.

Stored power is a move that gets amplified in power based on the stat amps of Espeon

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Belly Drum maxes attack in exchange of half of your HP. Power Swap would copy that boost without the HP loss.

Except Belly Drum is an exchange. There is no exchange here, the power is both empowering and shuts down your organs.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

What is Stored Power?

Stored Power deal more damage the more stat boost the use has.

 

[YungManzi]

@Apies

That's because it switches the stat change in-game.

Issei doesn't have stats, that's a pure game mechanic that wouldn't apply outside of the verse.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

when there's like five peeps here talking about this Poke knowledge but only one of them's commented on Blastoise vs Killer B T.T

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Stored power is a move that gets amplified in power based on the stat amps of Espeon

How much?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

@Apies
That's because it copies the stat change in-game.

Issei doesn't have stats, that's a pure game mechanic that wouldn't apply outside of the verse.

So pokemon can't have any boosting moves because stats don't exist?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Because purple cat>blue turtle

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Because purple cat>blue turtle

 

[GyroNutz]

Stored power is a move that gets amplified in power based on the stat amps of Espeon

How much?

In-game? With two of Issei's boosts, stored power is already stronger than Psychic, one of the strongest psychic type moves in all of Pokemon.

 

[Overlord775]

As brought up earlier, wouldn't charm grant Issei access to his female specific abilities?

No, Espeon has 7/8 chances of being male