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Espeon Vs Issei

Pretty sure there are several entries about it having precog.

Still, there are so many other ways it can win.


It can simply yawn and then use endure so that it can survive till issei falls asleep, stored power would be ridicolously powerfull with isseis stat amps, it can seduce him if it's the right gender,
 
Precognition is not telepathy.

I don't think Yawn and Endure are it's moves. Or stored power.Issei's not going to get seduced by a pink cat.
 
Eh, it still does pretty much the same. It can see how strong he is and swap their stats.


They are. It can learn yawn and endure if it's parents knew it. Same for stored power. Doesn't matter, it's an ability.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Eh, it still does pretty much the same. It can see how strong he is and swap their stats.


They are. It can learn yawn and endure if it's parents knew it. Same for stored power. Doesn't matter, it's an ability.
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Pretty sure swapping their stats would kill Espeon.

And? This isn't Espeon where it gets a parent with Yawn and Endure, this is just a random Espeon. Then Issei gets booblusted and activates his precog and paralysis. Espeon's not going to do a move that causes negative effects.
 
No, it wouldn't. Most fodder with 8-A stats can swap with the strongest 6-C's in-verse with no real problem, here the difference is much lower.


And a random espeon can have those parents too. It was discussed and accepted that eggmoves are accepted. And pretty sure it has endure regardless.


Exept he wouldn't get the chance to.
 
Yeah because the 6-C's power doesn't hurt itself. Espeon trying to use Issei's boosts would just overload her with energy and incap her.

Except he would. He literally has 88 minutes.

Actually, I'm going to retract my vote for Espeon and go back to Issei. If Espeon teleports away from Issei's fire, then it counts as BFR because she ran away from the fight. If Espeon power swaps, then she incaps herself. If Espeone uses Charm/Seduce, then Issei activates precog and paralysizes her.
 
I've already posted the Pokédex entry saying that one of Espeon's forms of precognition comes from telepathy. Not like it's not obvious what boost does.

Pokemon get egg moves, and like I said, Issei using boost is practically suicide
 
Exept 8-A's can take 6-C power with no problem? And the 6-Cs that still get one-shot by the fully amped enemies can still do it?

Where he gets haxed into sleeping or fallingin love.

Wrong, factually wrong. You need to go away for a week for bfr, and even then it's only if you can't affect the enemy from that far away. Once she charms him he won't be able to use stuff.
 
You ignored the part where The 6-C doesn't hurt itself with it's own power. Espeon's going to die because Boost does damage to the user.

Could you show where these moves are coming from?

Except she's not going to come back and any attack she sends at him from that far gets Divided out of existence. Seduction would just cause him to activate his precog, telepathy, and paralysis.
 
No. The 8-A doesn't get hurt by 6-C that use stat amps that do hurt you. It only takes stats, nothing else.

Yawn and Captivate.

You can't divide a yaw. He can't even see it, let alone divide it.
 
Stat Amps don't hurt you. They're stat amps. The reason why Esp would die is because Issei's power is the Great Red's body and Ophis flesh. Ophis's power kills anyone who isn't Ophis. Issei can only survive due to having a body made out of Great Red. Espeon swapping the power would kill herself.

No, I mean where is the description of these moves.

Then the yawn won't reach him from an island away.
 
Some qoutes to support why power swapping would kill Espeon.

" Dragon Deification can be said to have been a power-up. Although it was only temporary, his body did indeed handle the power of infinity. If it was an ordinary Devil or Dragon, their body wouldn't be able to withstand it and they'd die within a few seconds. Ise was only able to defeat Rizevim because he had obtained Great Red's flesh. "

" No one stepped forward to disagree with what Azazel-sensei said. Ophis' power of infinity — it was known as the absolute strongest power in this world; even if they temporarily held that power, any kind of existence would suffer from its aftereffects and consequences. "
 
" Five days ago, during the battle in Agreas, Ise-kun awakened Dragon Deification in order to save his parents. But, the price of attaining such a level of power was disheartening; as soon as the change was released, the repercussions immediately began to take effect. Firstly, all of the organs in his body stopped functioning, while his heart and other important parts still barely continued to function. However, Asia-san's healing ability had almost no effect, which showed just how serious the recoil from Dragon Deification was. After being transported to the hospital, Ise-kun was immediately taken to the Intensive Care Unit, and all kinds of life support devices were connected to his whole body. We all looked at Ise-kun with a sorrowful expression as he lay in the Intensive Care Unit. Asia-san continued to cry as she kept watch over Ise-kun. Ise-kun's outlook remained unpredictable, and he was still in a critical condition—. "
 
The real cal howard said:
That would matter if Espeon wasn't stronger than Issei's base.
If Goku got the power, would it kill him? NLF.
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Except Hax ignores durability and AP. It's not NLF to say that someone's Death Manipulation would work on Goku just because they're not as strong.
 
Teleporting to avoid an attack isn't self bfr, hell we allow characters to flee across the multiverse to snipe their opponents from that far away and we don't consider it self bfr
 
It's not specifically death manipulation but more like biological manipulation. All of Espeon's organs would shut down and would be unable to to be healed. I only mentioned Death Manipulation as an example of Hax ignoring dura.
 
This sounds no different from the Magic Water in classic Dragon Ball. All you'd need to do is be able to handle the power to survive. Even then, Espeon's not stealing the Power of Infinity, but the boosts. If Espeon copies the boosts from Acid Armor, it doesn't melt itself.

Charm isn't seduction, Attract is. Charm just sharply lowers attack. It's not gender restricted unlike Covet. Which is important as 7 out of 8 times, Espeon's a dude.
 
The real cal howard said:
This sounds no different from the Magic Water in classic Dragon Ball. All you'd need to do is be able to handle the power to survive. Even then, Espeon's not stealing the Power of Infinity, but the boosts. If Espeon copies the boosts from Acid Armor, it doesn't melt itself.
Charm isn't seduction, Attract is. Charm just sharply lowers attack. It's not gender restricted unlike Covet. Which is important as 7 out of 8 times, Espeon's a dude.
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No, it's not about physical power. It is an inherent ability that the power itself has. Non Ophis people have their organs shut down by it. The Boosts are the power of infinity strengthened. What is Acid Armor?

Okay.
 
Acid armor is a pokemon move use to strenghten defense at the cost of litirally putting acid on your skin. It doesn't matter what the powerup comes from, that won't be affected. Only the power increase will.
 
You need to prove that it ignores durability. Because nothing you showed proves that. I've seen the "can't handle power" trope done dozens of times and I'm sure you have to.
 
Yeah. So does dying. Organs shut down when you're in a critical state. By your logic, Abridged!Cell should have perception manipulation because Gohan's senses stopped working after killing Cell.
 
And? The power didn't effect him because he was weaker, it did it because it was Ophis's power. It literally says that in the qoutes I posted.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
" Dragon Deification can be said to have been a power-up. Although it was only temporary, his body did indeed handle the power of infinity. If it was an ordinary Devil or Dragon, their body wouldn't be able to withstand it and they'd die within a few seconds. Ise was only able to defeat Rizevim because he had obtained Great Red's flesh. "

" No one stepped forward to disagree with what Azazel-sensei said. Ophis' power of infinity — it was known as the absolute strongest power in this world; even if they temporarily held that power, any kind of existence would suffer from its aftereffects and consequences. "
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