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That doesn't change anything. If Espeon copies the Boosts and attacks, Issei will just Divide the Attacks and become stronger again.
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Espeon Vs Issei
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Magic. Bounce.
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How exactly is he going to divide getting squashed by telekinesis ?
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Also this.
Yeah, about swapping powers. It might still be subject to the mechanics of boosted power like Burst and Reset. Like, if Issei boosts enough and someone steals the boosted power, Explosion and Burst what might happen as that's what used to occur to Issei until he learned how to handle Boosts better. It'd make the user lose all of their power and leave them drained. Technically, it doesn't need any boosted power mechanics as every normal combatant should have a limit to what amount of power their body can handle. That's essentially what Burst is.
If it doesn't, he can technically just do what he did against Vali if he notices his power being stolen. Boost enough times and transfer the excess energy. It'd overload the person with the excess energy and incapacitate them shortly. It worked on Vali that was waaaay stronger than him at that point. Well, he did have a counter mechanism against it, but it stopped him for a little while."
Yeah, about swapping powers. It might still be subject to the mechanics of boosted power like Burst and Reset. Like, if Issei boosts enough and someone steals the boosted power, Explosion and Burst what might happen as that's what used to occur to Issei until he learned how to handle Boosts better. It'd make the user lose all of their power and leave them drained. Technically, it doesn't need any boosted power mechanics as every normal combatant should have a limit to what amount of power their body can handle. That's essentially what Burst is.
If it doesn't, he can technically just do what he did against Vali if he notices his power being stolen. Boost enough times and transfer the excess energy. It'd overload the person with the excess energy and incapacitate them shortly. It worked on Vali that was waaaay stronger than him at that point. Well, he did have a counter mechanism against it, but it stopped him for a little while."
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At which point, Espeon is bare minimum 2x as strong as before, has precognition to know that Issei is going to divide so it can teleport and attack from an angle Issei doesn't expect, and would be able to pelt Issei with attacks if he tries to boost again.
Also remember that Espeon can fire off barrages of homing attacks (swift) and unpredictable attacks out of nowhere (future sight), so to assume Issei can defend himself successfully from all of these, let alone boosting and also staying on the offensive is silly
Also remember that Espeon can fire off barrages of homing attacks (swift) and unpredictable attacks out of nowhere (future sight), so to assume Issei can defend himself successfully from all of these, let alone boosting and also staying on the offensive is silly
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It's not silly. He just divides them out of existence, especially since he'll know that she copied his Boosts.
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My sentence doesn't change. It doesn't say that. You'd have a point if Ophis was Great Red, but she isn't him. Only sounds like no one else can handle her power.
Espeon unboosted is stronger than Ophis.
My sentence doesn't change. It doesn't say that. You'd have a point if Ophis was Great Red, but she isn't him. Only sounds like no one else can handle her power.
Espeon unboosted is stronger than Ophis.
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That's not the point. Espeon doesn't shut down the organs of people who copy/steal her powers.The real cal howard said:
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Kinda is. Organs shut down over extreme stress. That's how biology works. No one else can handle the power, so they die and unless they're zombies, their organs will shut down because that's what happens when you die.
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That's applying IRL logic to fiction. That's not even how the power works anyways as there are characters in DxD that can take power from stronger people and the Ophis Infinity still negs that.
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From what I know, Ophis is the god tier of the verse so far. I don't need to say why that's a false equivalency.
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Because the power isn't shutting down the organs because it is strong, it's a separate thing that happens because of it being Ophis's power. Great Red is also >= Ophis but his flesh didn't hurt Issei at all. It was specified that Ophis's power did the damage, because of how her power works.
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Psychic and Confusion don't have travel time, so Issei would not have the time to divide themDragonEmperor23 said:
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future sight is undetectable, it bypasses even precog, so Issei would not be able to see it coming.
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Aren't confusion and psychic both waves of energy?
Isn't future sight seeing the future? How would anyone see that coming?
Isn't future sight seeing the future? How would anyone see that coming?
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Confusion and Phychic are both telekinesis
Future sight is an undetectable projectile + minor precog
Future sight is an undetectable projectile + minor precog
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Future sight simply slaps the enemy with pshycic power in the nearby future (2 turns) and ignores protections.
Pretty sure there are plenty stat amps that **** up the body too. Doesn't remotly matter. It's the amp that is being taken.
Pretty sure there are plenty stat amps that **** up the body too. Doesn't remotly matter. It's the amp that is being taken.
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Isn't TK based on lifting strength?
What is the projectile?
What is the projectile?
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Wasn't the Espeon argument debunked?
Based on what Dragonemp said, wouldn't power swap would end up making Espeon lose the match?
The other psyshic moves alone aren't enough the net a victory for Esp, IMO. Even if magic bounce reflects divide, that wouldn't do a whole lot to Issei unless he continues to spam divide after noticing that it's negatively affecting his own power which....why would he do that?
IDK, maybe I'm missing something...
Based on what Dragonemp said, wouldn't power swap would end up making Espeon lose the match?
The other psyshic moves alone aren't enough the net a victory for Esp, IMO. Even if magic bounce reflects divide, that wouldn't do a whole lot to Issei unless he continues to spam divide after noticing that it's negatively affecting his own power which....why would he do that?
IDK, maybe I'm missing something...
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Litirally cal disproved the debunk right after.
Espeon only takes the stat changes of the enemy, none of the actual effects, nor the power itself. Which is why negative effects are left on the enemy and not copied as well.
Espeon only takes the stat changes of the enemy, none of the actual effects, nor the power itself. Which is why negative effects are left on the enemy and not copied as well.
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Espeon's power swap doesn't steal 'boost', it steals the result of boost and gives Issei its own (which is no boost). Already covered in the acid armour argument above.
If Issei divides even once, which he has no reason not to, he'll be at a huge disadvantage. Not only does he lose initiative, but Espeon will outclass him in AP quite reasonably.
Also remember, Espeon's precognition
If Issei divides even once, which he has no reason not to, he'll be at a huge disadvantage. Not only does he lose initiative, but Espeon will outclass him in AP quite reasonably.
Also remember, Espeon's precognition
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No... why would it?YungManzi said:
How is you not melting with the enemy game mechanics?
Game Mechanics is something that only happens because of the game. An exemple is Ditto not copying HP, as that would glitch the game .
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Why would it be game mechanics?
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It would be considered game mechanics because power swap only switch the special and regular attack stats, which is why it doesn't carry negative effects...
But those stats are a pure aspect of the game/world and the way it is built. Issei wouldn't have a Special and Normal attack stat to switch with, Espeon would have to switch with his actual power, which would result in what DragonEmp mentioned before.
But those stats are a pure aspect of the game/world and the way it is built. Issei wouldn't have a Special and Normal attack stat to switch with, Espeon would have to switch with his actual power, which would result in what DragonEmp mentioned before.
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That is not a reason. It takes the stat amp changes, that's it. Like... read their in-game description.
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