(ENDED) (Battle for the 2nd strongest High 8-C): Void Knight vs Etrien Gnosos (0-8-0)

[Madotsuki24]

Both at High 8-C obviously

Speed is equalised

Battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan

Both start at 10 metres of each other

Win by death, K.O or incap

Void Knight: 0

Etrien Gnosos: 8 (Antoniofer, HI3 or bust, Oblivion Of The Endless, Overlord775, PsychoWarper, WHYNAUT, Edwellken, CrimsonStarFallen)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Overlord775]

The Knight's power source is the void

Gnosos is an embodiment of the void

the match is as straight fowards as you can get

 

[Madotsuki24]

The Knight's power source is the void
Gnosos is an embodiment of the void

the match is as straight fowards as you can get

So Gnosos absorbs all of Void's powers and he's defenseless and gets killed by anything Gnosos uses on him?

 

[Madotsuki24]

Or what does it mean?

 

[Overlord775]

Basically Gnosos has Gnosis 30, while Knight has only 20, so the former can bypass the resistances of the latter and hax him to death

 

[Madotsuki24]

Basically
Gnosos has Gnosis 30, while Knight has only 20, so the former can bypass the resistances of the latter and hax him to death

Shouldn't Void be able to reality warp Etrien out of existence? It's way stronger than a lot of abilities and it's undodgable and negates durability.

 

[Overlord775]

Etrien resists it and resists any attempt of the Knight to bypasses said resistance too

 

[Madotsuki24]

What...? Resistance to existence erasure does not mean that you also have resistance to reality warping.

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, VK do not have an special immunity/resistance that can be bypassed, but the Etrien have the VK's power but enhanced, had no weaknesses (at least not one that can be exploded by the VK), do not suffer from combat positions or multiple attacks, and unless the VK spend a good amount of of its health to increase its armor, it kinda useless as the Etrien pierces through it.

Most that the VK can do is gain wings to possesses a minor advantage and few ranged attacks, and yet it cost it health, plus a final attack, but is unlikely that it woudl kill the Etrien.

 

[Overlord775]

What...? Resistance to existence erasure does not mean that you also have resistance to reality warping.

He resists reality warping too

Just so you know, for any ability in Anima there's a resistance for it

 

[Madotsuki24]

VK is smarter than Etrien, so he has the intelligence advantage here and he has metal manipulation where he can turn his body into powerful weapons so he could use a really powerful projectile weapon that can destroy Etrien, if that can kill him.

 

[Overlord775]

The Etrian can just eat him if he gets too close or rip apart with Void Claw

also, Etrian standing there passivelly weakens the Knight and eats his attacks

 

[Madotsuki24]

Wait, I've found this in Etrien's weaknesses.


"They aren't only unable to attack beings of the highest Natura+ (20), they also take damage the longer they are close to them.".


Does this mean that Etrien can't attack Void Knight, since he's also a 20?

 

[Antoniofer]

No, VK is not a natural being, it has no Natura.

 

[Overlord775]

Gnosis 20 =/= Natura 20, they are different things

 

[Madotsuki24]

Oh, I see...

 

[Madotsuki24]

How does Etrien resist reality warping? I don't see it on his resistance key.

 

[Overlord775]

It's just missing

Void Knight's page lists it corretly and every non-fodder character has all resistances to varing degrees, and with Gnosos being an being of an higher level than Knight his resistance is even better than his

 

[Antoniofer]

I mean, all the powers that the VK has (not counting the ones related to blood) the Etrien has it but better, you may say that VK could resist the pseudo-Aura of Emptiness of the Etrien, but at the same time the Etrien can resist it too (if any, the Etrien has more chances to resist, but only if you count their PhR values into account).

Intelligence little will help VK defeating the Etrien, if acceptable, he could only use hi blood wings to escape combat (and isn't like its intelligence is above human levels). Maybe if VK is aid by minor undeads may increase his chances to win, but that wouldn't be an standard fight.

 

[Madotsuki24]

What can Void Knight even do that can affect Etrien?

 

[Antoniofer]

Etrien Gnosos absorbtion is not absolute (they has been destroyed before by humans), it can still be damaged as long one can damage energy, but one still needs to surpass its defenses, and VK's combat abilities are inferior to the Etrien's, so most of the time it will do nothing; even if attacks make contact on it the damage will be reduced.

VK also have Damage Reduction but is not as good as the Etrien, and its armor wouldn't do much to prevent damage neither. I'll even argue that Aura of Emptiness doesn't do anything against void elementals, but I'm not sure about that, and even yet, Etrien has a great chance to not be affected. In short, although not absolute (as anything in tabletop games), VK lost most of the time.

 

[Madotsuki24]

What about Void's metal manipulation to create weapons to affect Etrien? Surely Etrien can't eat every single projectile weapon Void has...

 

[Antoniofer]

It is deemed Metal Manipulation? It should be Blood Manipulation. Same thing with conventional attacks, is probable that the attack is absorbed or simply cause negligible damage; plus VK can't simply spam the attack, is limited by the amount of its blood.

 

[Madotsuki24]

I see, but will it work on Etrien?

 

[Antoniofer]

Yes, but it has small chances to actually do something notable.

 

[Overlord775]

nah, the small chance of Etrion being affected is game mechanics, hell, he's the embodiment of the void and void abilities shouldn't have any effect on it by nature

also those weren't "just humans" Antoniofer, nobody in Anima is just "normal" and especially not someone that can kill a Gnosis 30 elemental

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm talking in context of the verse, these humans obviosly aren't like real human, but they are human within the verse; so if they can kill the Etrien, a VK can do it too (possibility, not immutable, as the thread suggest, is very unlikely).

And as I said, I believe the Aura of Emptiness shouldn't affect the void elementals, not without at least having more gnosis (or gnosis ex).

 

[Overlord775]

Bieng "human" measn littererally nothing, some of the high tiers of the verse are humans, so Etrien being able to be killed by humans means nothing

 

[Antoniofer]

Yeah, ehm, Romeo is kind of unique (at most 20/three-worlds-population unique actually), so wouldn't compare it to no one. For context, armies of the Rakushian, a special tribe of Nanwe famous for summoning spirits, defeated an army of Etrien.

Don't known why this conversation, we both agreed that the Etrien would defeat the VK most of the time, and that even Aura of Emptiness wouldn't do nothing (except I give the benific of doubt). At the end, is possible for the Etrien to scale to greater elementals, that would scale in some way to the Alius, so they may end being straight 2-C (still discussing the stuff with Ed).

 

[Madotsuki24]

Yeah, ehm, Romeo is kind of unique (at most 20/three-worlds-population unique actually), so wouldn't compare it to no one. For context, armies of the Rakushian, a special tribe of Nanwe famous for summoning spirits, defeated an army of Etrien.
Don't known why this conversation, we both agreed that the Etrien would defeat the VK most of the time, and that even Aura of Emptiness wouldn't do nothing (except I give the benific of doubt). At the end, is possible for the Etrien to scale to greater elementals, that would scale in some way to the Alius, so they may end being straight 2-C (still discussing the stuff with Ed).

So is that a vote for Etrien by you?

 

[Antoniofer]

If they'll remain valid, yes, VK has npretty small chances to win.

 

[Madotsuki24]

So it's not a stomp then, good to know! >¤ë<

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

just as an fyi, Nemesis reality warping is more a mechanism to the powers that it gives rather than a separate thing

anyways, Etrien Gnosis for a lot of reasons, most of which have already been stated above

 

[Madotsuki24]

Bump.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Gnosus FRA

 

[Madotsuki24]

That's three.

 

[Overlord775]

Gnosos wins

 

[Madotsuki24]

Three more...

 

[PsychoWarper]

Gnosos FRA.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Two more...