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Just saw it, apparently she did
Oh definitely, is it possible to get a proper tier and feat out of this?
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Elden Ring Profiles
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It's at least 5-C, likely High 4-C due to being superior to the Fire Giant the Tarnished fought.
Could be higher depending on if a DLC gives it something.
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The Fire Giant would be what, 5-C, likely High 4-C?
Btw, would the Morgott, Mohg and Rykard be 5-C or At least 5-C?
Btw, would the Morgott, Mohg and Rykard be 5-C or At least 5-C?
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You fight the Fire Giant after Morgott, so either Morgott is just 5-C, or the Fire Giant is "at least 5-C" due to him being late-late game, right?
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Don't know if there's that much difference in power between the demigods and the FG, I would assume they're stronger than Astel (except for Godrick)
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Anything notably after Astel, so from Morgott on, would gain an At least rating before the 5-C one.
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Is Morgott after Astel? Technically you only need to defeat two Demigods to access him, Godrick is obviously the first, but Rennala or Radahn can be second, assuming Rennala is second because it makes more sense for you to go Rena>Manor>Join Ranni>Do Blaidd quest>Do Radahn festival with him then it does Do radahn>then do rena>manor>etc, or so on.
This leaves the possibility of doing Radahn after Morgott, and thus doing Astel after him as well as Radahn isn't inherently before Morgott.
Or something, tbh I'd be fine with saying Morgott > Astel anyway for a bunch of reasons but boss order gets a little fucky.
This leaves the possibility of doing Radahn after Morgott, and thus doing Astel after him as well as Radahn isn't inherently before Morgott.
Or something, tbh I'd be fine with saying Morgott > Astel anyway for a bunch of reasons but boss order gets a little fucky.
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The boss order is kind of a mess but story-wise, it's logical to have Astel > Morgott, Morgott is the last boss before you discover the problem with the Edtree, chronologically it's logical to have him after Astel since Astel is not relevant plot-wise and Morgott's boss fight is basically a giant climax (a big battle in the royal city right before the final objective, only to discover something that forces you to go to a whole new location to make the story progress)
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I was going after the suggested Zones with Paul. Where it goes like
- Godrick to Rennala
- Radahn to Rykard
- Morgott to Malenia
- Maliketh to Elden Beast
- Godrick to Rennala
- Radahn to Mogh (So all would be 5-C)
- Malenia and Prime Radahn given the "At least rating"
- Maliketh to Elden Beast (since Maliketh > All Demigods)
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Malenia and Prime Radahn are certainly "At least 5-C" since they're strongest of the demigods and Godrick and Rennala are at the bottom since they're extremely weak (Rennala in her current state) so at least there's that.
Morgott, Mohg and Rykard are almost all accessible after Astel technically, aside from Mohg Morgott is in Leyndell and Rykard on Mt Gelmir whereas Astel can be accessed before going to these two locations by following Ranni's quest after Radahn's defeat and all three are technically late-game bosses (and Mohg and Rykard are the final boss of their respective questline) and even if you can access Mohg very early in the game, his duplicate can only be fought in Leyndell and said duplicate is much weaker than the real one. And as demigods, they're likely much stronger than Astel so it's fine if they're "At least 5-C".
Morgott, Mohg and Rykard are almost all accessible after Astel technically, aside from Mohg Morgott is in Leyndell and Rykard on Mt Gelmir whereas Astel can be accessed before going to these two locations by following Ranni's quest after Radahn's defeat and all three are technically late-game bosses (and Mohg and Rykard are the final boss of their respective questline) and even if you can access Mohg very early in the game, his duplicate can only be fought in Leyndell and said duplicate is much weaker than the real one. And as demigods, they're likely much stronger than Astel so it's fine if they're "At least 5-C".
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Also, dialogue with Gideon also indicates that Mohg is intended to be the last shardbearer the player fights, even after Malenia. His (Gideon) dialogue has him wondering where Miquella went after you beat Malenia and expressing shock at you finally having found him after you kill Mohg. His lines don't change no matter the order, and it obviously makes no sense for him to still not know where Miquella is if you fought Malenia after Mohg.
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So, Mohg > Current Melenia?
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No. Malenia is still stronger, just Mohg I'd supposedly intended to be fought later.
It's weird because Mohg can be as early as Liurna via Varre's quest, a quest where you find him in Liurna after you beat Godrick
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No, not at all, it's just that Mohg is clearly supposed to be a late or even endgame boss but Malenia is stronger
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Tbf the whole game is like this, if you think about it, you can fight Astel after Maliketh for example
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Cant be an Endgame boss because that's when the Farum Azula starts, and when you return back to the lands between, Gideon is gone
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From how we're scaling its going like
- Godrick to insane Rennala: Whatever small Dragons scale to or have KE wise
- Radahn to Fire Giant: 5-C, likely High 4-C
- Malenia and Prime Radahn: At least 5-C, likely High 4-C
- Maliketh, Godfrey, Marika, Radagon (Post-Merger), Elden Beast, possibly Placidusax: At least 5-C, likely 4-A
- Said Dragon Calc (or Troll whatever) to scale the Tarnished to
- A blog made for Astel to explain the 5-C rating
- A calc or blog detailing why Radahn's showing is High 4-C
- Elden Beast just needs to link to the generic starry realm calc
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I did a KE and mass calc for them, dogshit, bad, so bad I didn't even bother finishing it, got like 15-20 tons for them, which is like yeah cool, but with that mass and the speed they go at, KE ain't getting anything.
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Probably best to just make a "this is why shit is the way it is" blog and compile all of the info into three sections and then explain scaling as well at the bottom. Then we can just link the blog as a whole on the verse page and then link the sections in particular in justifications for the dude's who need it. 4 birds, one stone, and due to sections, linking just the specific parts of the blog in profiles is also possible so nothing of value was lost.
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Yeah I can get working on that. The Elden Beast and Astel stuff should be easy, but I don't know where Emirp got the High 4-C thing from.
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TBF, we could scale Godrick above the Treen Sentinel, and we see identical tree sentinel in leyndell, and nearby there's a fallingstar beast.
Which would put Godrick at like At least 8-B, likely 7-C via the Fallingstar beast calc.
Which would put Godrick at like At least 8-B, likely 7-C via the Fallingstar beast calc.
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High 4-C was an estimation someone made way long ago. I guess it's because radahn's feat is similar to that of constellations, which get similar results?
What about speed? Surely Post Rot Radahn and co would get like "At least Massively Hypersonic, likely Massively FTL+" from this right?
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Sandbox it so others can maybe add scans or refs once the groundwork is done if needed.
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I mean I guess we can just use a modified version of the old Kingdom Hearts Zeus calc right? Since he's moving them at FTL speeds that would mean it defaults to GBE scaling iirc.
But someone would need to count all of the stars that were shunted forward or shown to have been effected by Radahn.
Where's the MHS coming from? Meteor speed?
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Oh yeah, Radahn's meteor thing is HH at minimum, basic ablation at minimum.
If he actually exited the atmosphere, it'd be MHS, by HH is the baseline.
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Dodging lightning. We don't exactly have meteor speed, I'm only using High Hypersonic atm because that's the standard re entry speed.
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Also this, Lan can straight up catch lightning, MHS give or take.
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Also how far do you think Astel or the meteor that fell on limgrave was from the planet? I feel like we could probably get like something in FTL as I doubt Astel was near Earth's orbit
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If you can get a gif of one of the ancient dragons grabbing a lightning bolt that would be pretty solid (though we would still need speed for the lower tiers).
But for the meteors I think they would have to be rather absurdly close in order to be as visible as they were in Radahn's cutscene.
Astel ramming through the moon and into Azula is probably some degree of Sub-Rel or Rel considering it didn't take days for everyone to realize the apocalypse was happening. Though I don't know if his space hurtling speed is scaleable to his standard speed.
But for the meteors I think they would have to be rather absurdly close in order to be as visible as they were in Radahn's cutscene.
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If someone wants to gif that that should work.
Busy gif-ing other stuff atm tho.
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Margit beat Radahn. I have no idea why they wouldn't scale to Radahn.
That was Godfrey who she sent to kill off all the Fire Giants since their flame threatened the Erdtree and her order.
All but 1 survived, to whom she cursed with guarding the Basin forever more.
"The age of the Erdtree began amongst conflict, when Godfrey was lord of the battlefield.
He led the War against the Giants. Faced the Storm Lord, alone. And then, there came a moment. When his last worthy enemy fell. And it was then, as the story is told, that the hue of Lord Godfrey's eyes faded." - Eldenlord Armor
"The Fire Giant is a survivor of the War against the Giants. Upon realizing the flames of their forge would never die, Queen Marika marked him with a curse. "O trifling giant, mayest thou tend thy flame for eternity." - Remembrance of the Fire Giant
She transmutes them into tomestones and throws them at us (it's fine that you didn't notice since its not the focus of the fight and they fly at a trillion mph). She actually threatens to do it again after our fight if they don't come out.
"Where did ye flee, my sweetings?
Come out from whence ye hide. There are books and light aplenty.
Dither not; come out say I!
Or will ye be gravestones? To be better born anew?"
But that does not suggest she can't do anything else. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because she doesn't do something doesn't mean she can't do it, given she's insane, she has clause to not do it.
To add onto this, despite defeating Margit and Godrick,
"Rennala is the last Carian Queen, imprisoned in the Grand Library. Still distraught over Radagon’s departure, she obsesses over rebirth, and her scholars will protect her at all costs. But beware, should you witness the true power of the Full Moon Queen."
It's clear Miriel, as one of the few people who had genuine long term contact with Rannala and is our main source for our information on her and Radagon, seems to suggest that she can still summon forth her full power and its her insanity that limits her.
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Astel: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArkhamDC06/Astel,_Naturalborn_of_the_Void
Elden Beast: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArkhamDC06/The_Elden_Beast#Powers_and_Stats
Only made drafts, not sandboxes but the idea is the same (I can also put Mohg, Rykard, Rennala and Gideon since I'm dealing with them and I also made one for Morgott if no one wants to take him)
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Here are my Elden Ring drafts: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Emirp_sumitpo/sandbox2#Elden_Ring_Profiles
I've done Mr Bitchless, Radahn, Millicent, Melina and Sellen so far.
I also did a P&A for Maleniaout of cope
I've done Mr Bitchless, Radahn, Millicent, Melina and Sellen so far.
I also did a P&A for Malenia
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I think Astel might legit have a case for multi km range. And his beam attack definitely has over 100m in gameplay (I think? pretty sure his boss locale is larger than 100m in diameter, and his dumb ass can tag you from across it with it).
Unsure tho.
Unsure tho.
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Nice, 7-B Radahn sound not too bad
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He's supposed to be 5-C, I haven't updated it
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Even Better
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Definitely better
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What are we rating Malekith as? I'll go change his shit quickly after I'm doing ******* with this SW sandbox.
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