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Elden Ring General Discussion

ArkhamDC06 said:
Is there anything to get a Low 2-C rating like Ive seen being suggested above? Tier 4 is more or less clearly established with Radhan but I'm not sure we have something for tier 2 (of course summoning the devs for answers could still be an option)
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Tier 4 is the best we're getting afaik. And even that maybe no.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Is there anything to get a Low 2-C rating like Ive seen being suggested above? Tier 4 is more or less clearly established with Radhan but I'm not sure we have something for tier 2 (of course summoning the devs for answers could still be an option)
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There's no clearly defined tier 2. Outer Gods are Unknown at best due to their ambiguous nature and will probably not get profiles.

The Elden Lord dragon "living outside of time" is not immeasurable for the same reason Dark Souls dragons are not immeasurable. Just because they came from a place with no time, it doesn't mean they move faster than it.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
The Divine Phoenix brought up an interesting quote from Sellen's quest where she states that Radahn fought constellations and stopped them from moving. Considering this is entirely detached from the shooting stars thing, I think it's safe to say that Radahn would be somewhere in tier 4.

Now I say it's detached because while the shooting stars statement could mean comets/meteors, nowhere is it stated that shooting stars can form constellations. The default premise is therefore that the constellations were real stars.
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See, this requires us to take things at face value again. More specifically, this requires us to say the constellations are in fact alive. I also suspect odd language to be at play? The quote specifically refers to the stars Radahn holds back. The stars we have established to be, in fact, not star-sized. Even if we were to assume everything as absolutely literal (the worst possible outcome), we'd have our KE and impact damage standards to negate any consideration of Radahn's star shit.

So suffice to say this doesn't make it "safe to say", for me. Not a bit.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
There's no clearly defined tier 2. Outer Gods are Unknown at best due to their ambiguous nature and will probably not get profiles.

The Elden Lord dragon "living outside of time" is not immeasurable for the same reason Dark Souls dragons are not immeasurable. Just because they came from a place with no time, it doesn't mean they move faster than it.
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Ok cool, that's what I thought, found it weird someone was talking about getting tier 2
 
Won't say anything in particular but I've been spoiled on many things (including the final boss, thanks Youtube thumbnails that hide nothing) and there's a particular boss that is apparently one of the creatures or "stars" Radahn was holding back (and the ending of said fight has some...pretty interesting implications)
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Won't say anything in particular but I've been spoiled on many things (including the final boss, thanks Youtube thumbnails that hide nothing) and there's a particular boss that is apparently one of the creatures or "stars" Radahn was holding back (and the ending of said fight has some...pretty interesting implications)
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Fallingstar Beasts? The nomenclature is interesting indeed. I've also heard the theory that Astel is an evolution of these guys, which is a pretty neat idea if I say so myself. Still, lends further credence that Tier 4 Radahn is bollocks served on a platter.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Fallingstar Beasts? The nomenclature is interesting indeed. I've also heard the theory that Astel is an evolution of these guys, which is a pretty neat idea if I say so myself. Still, lends further credence that Tier 4 Radahn is bollocks served on a platter.
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Yep
 
Btw, will any of the Gods get a profile? Like, the Greater Will at least (like "At least (whatever highest tier we get), likely higher"?
 
The GW at least created the ring, with the shards/Great Runes being the physical manifestation of concepts like death, and empowered Marika so maybe we can get something out of this (there's something else about it but it's linked to the final boss of the game so I won't really talk about it to avoid spoilers)?
 
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I hella disagree with tier 4 Radahn, they're either meteorites or baby mythology stars, and if it's the latter then all tier 4 stuff is sus by default. Think it's worth pointing out shooting stars are called that because people used to think they were stars, only recently (relatively) did we realize that's not the case and the name stayed. But the fact that they call them that does not inherently imply distinction between them and "real" stars.
 
Armorchompy said:
I hella disagree with tier 4 Radahn, they're either meteorites or baby mythology stars, and if it's the latter then all tier 4 stuff is sus by default. Think it's worth pointing out shooting stars are called that because people used to think they were stars, only recently (relatively) did we realize that's not the case and the name stayed. But the fact that they call them that does not inherently imply distinction between them and "real" stars.
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I mean, assuming the "stars" are in fact creatures like Astel, they're not stars indeed (unless we have statement of star levels of power)
 
That's also an argument, but even besides that considering the fact that ER people should know more about stars than medieval people in our world do, considering the whole magic stuff, I think tiny stars or the word stars just meaning something different, is at least a possibility.
 
True, then again if they know better, then using the word stars and not another might indicate there is a proper star level (that or they lack a better word)

It's also possible Radahn was also holding back some stars along with the monsters
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
True, then again if they know better, then using the word stars and not another might indicate there is a proper star level
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Eh, if there was a difference they'd highlight it in some way IMO, it's possible stars are just a lil' tiny in ER
ArkhamDC06 said:
It's also possible Radahn was also holding back some stars along with the monsters
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Eh, lore says he holds up stars, no? Doesn't say he held up stars + one meteor + a few weirdo monsters
 
Armorchompy said:
Eh, if there was a difference they'd highlight it in some way IMO, it's possible stars are just a lil' tiny in ER

Eh, lore says he holds up stars, no? Doesn't say he held up stars + one meteor + a few weirdo monsters
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Yeah, the lore indicates he basically moved constellations and is holding back stars but at the same time, at least some "stars" are in fact monsters like SPOILER Astel sent by another Outer God. There's also something related to this star stuff with the final boss
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The peepeepoopoo man
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Pretty sure once we get the digital release of the art book leaked online we can get better renders.
 
If you think about it, calling the necrophiliac a "Dung Eater" is kinda appropriate in a medieval context.
 
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Sir_Ovens said:
The Elden Lord dragon "living outside of time" is not immeasurable for the same reason Dark Souls dragons are not immeasurable. Just because they came from a place with no time, it doesn't mean they move faster than it.
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I still don't get that tbh. I mean, firstly, they aren't moving in a place with not time but instead beyond time. That could be a different premise. Now, why it couldn't be considered? Because, like, there are many characters with that rating via statements of being beyond time. And here there's no other context to not be taken literally. Plus, there's not only that, but also, you can say we have some visuals too. Placidusax in phase 2 starts moving through the storm (that same storm that is beyond time) and due to that it seems like he is teletransporting. Even more clear as he is literally doing that with the same effects related to the storm itself. So we have consistent statements, and even a visual. I don't know how that couldn't be considered.
 
I don't think Elder Scrolls characters are outdated (perhaps) 🗿.

And no a lot of characters has the speed for some mainstream reason that is accepted here (I listed a few time ago). I don't think, neither see, the speed should/is categorized for "having a lot of context," or because of the usage of another fancy phrase besides beyond time, but instead, because it's consistent.
 
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