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Edelweiss vs Knives Millions

What's her range with her causality manipulation? And I'm pretty sure Edel being Acausal doesn't stop Knives from manipulating his own causality to escape. Being Acausal makes you immune to changes in causality, but it doesn't automatically shut down causality based abilities if they aren't being target by it.
 
LordGinSama said:
What's her range with her causality manipulation?
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Desperado range, considering it's just desperado stuff.
LordGinSama said:
And I'm pretty sure Edel being Acausal doesn't stop Knives from manipulating his own causality to escape. Being Acausal makes you immune to changes in causality, but it doesn't automatically shut down causality based abilities if they aren't being target by it.
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Desperados can shut down abilities with their own causality/fate especially if it's causality based.
 
<Causality will keep killing him

So what? Knives can’t be kept down and he mindhaxes, I already told you he doesn’t need a body
 
I don’t see what the issue is here really.

“Edel fear haxes” moot because he wants to die.

“Causality will continue to kill him” moot because Knives can mindhax at any point, and he doesn’t need a body to do it.

Whatever way you put it, Knives mindhaxes and Edel can’t put him down before he does.
 
I see nothing about Desperado range, but going by her profile her range is only several kilometers ( typically meaning 3. ) to Knives and his planetary range.
 
Schnee_One said:
<Causality will keep killing him

So what? Knives can’t be kept down and he mindhaxes, I already told you he doesn’t need a body
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Not for good, he can be kept down by being constantly killed.

Schnee_One said:
moot because he wants to die.
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You never cited this part.

Schnee_One said:
moot because Knives can mindhax at any point, and he doesn’t need a body to do it.
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He doesn't need his body to kill him? Also Edel has full control over anyone she inflicts damage on.

Schnee_One said:
Edel can’t put him down before he does.
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Causality control would be a way to incap.

LordGinSama said:
I see nothing about Desperado range, but going by her profile her range is only several kilometers ( typically meaning 3. )
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In this case means ppl can feel her from cities away.

Schnee_One said:
She can’t.
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That's bold.


I'd also i need context of that mind hax, it's range, potency and capabilities.
 
Knives cleary, has no issue with dying, he even wanted Vash to kill him.



Scans for anyone being effected by her at that range? I could have sworn her passives only take place when right next to her.



And no, she isn't controlling Knives if someone like Legato couldn't, who literally specializes in body control on a mass level.


As far as mind hax is concerned, it's one of his opening moves. Instant warp into space, and parasites that invade the opponents consciousness and it mind haxxed everyone on No Mands Land, which is way bigger than Earth. They also transmute shit.
 
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LordGinSama said:
Knives cleary, has no issue with dying, he even wanted Vash to kill him.
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Hmm, while it does seem a bit iffy (seems like he wants Vash specifically to kill him, rather than he has no problems dying).
LordGinSama said:
Scans for anyone being effected by her at that range?
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It affected Kurono and Nene who were cities away from her at the moment. It affected Stella when she tried climbing the mountain (we don't know where she was when it happened, though the mountain is 9km tall so take what you will from that). And Xiaoli, a desperado much inferior to Edelweiss was felt by Stella and Edelweiss who were at the top of the mountain whereas Xiaoli was at the bottom of the mountain, so at least 9km range there. There is Tendou who should be at least comparable to Edelweiss and he was affecting Touka while being in other cities.
LordGinSama said:
I could have sworn her passives only take place when right next to her.
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When?
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And no, she isn't controlling Knives if someone like Legato couldn't, who literally specializes in body control on a mass level.
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Causality says hi to all of that. Causal control due to "contract manipulation".
LordGinSama said:
As far as mind hax is concerned, it's one of his opening moves. Instant warp into space, and parasites that invade the opponents consciousness and it mind haxxed everyone on No Mands Land, which is way bigger than Earth. They also transmute shit.
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Parasites? Kek, good luck with that.
 
I said she’s the strongest desperado but nene is more haxed

Though Fire is arguing Edel wins so what’s the issue
 
"This place" is in reference to the massive city that they're currently in, she's talking about the aura Knives passively produces and Wolfwood felt it as soon as he got near the City.



His Aura includes sleep manipulation, fear manipulation and exerts physical force.
 
I mean that doesn't mean everyone in the city was falling asleep. That's was gonna destroy the city with whatever explosion that is.
 
Not everyone, but anyone near the City itself which only has Vash, Wolfwood, Knives and a few Eye of Michael members.
 
It's on my CRT, the presence of Knives caused Vash to fall asleep and Wolfwood to experience tremendous fear to the point where Wolfwood saw himself being torn to shreds.
 
I mean

If it’s physical pressure, and Knives is 5B to Edel’s 6C, that doesn’t really end well
 
It's like RC, it's not only one ability but several. Being around Knives can cause fear Inducement, sleep Manipulation and pshycial force. It's not "fear manipulation that puts you to sleep." It's "Fear Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation and Pshycial force."
 
My issue is how can fear coexist with sleep? 1 is you're having the time of your life being cozy, the other is you're screaming in agony cus the dude before you is too strong.
 
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I do, but it feels like im missing something. Oh well, worst case scenario she just uses some desperado application to deal with the fear hax, if she can't just deal with it normally (considering her will power and the fact that she should have been able to go through a process similar to that before becoming a desperado [fight her own fate]).
 
What do you mean by "use some Desperado application" which powers would be used to deal with the Fear Hax?
 
I mean

Knives is 5B to Edel’s 6C, even a millions of times downgrade in AP is still enough to one shot Edel into bits.
 
That argument doesn’t work usually because AP disperses over distance

A 5B attack dispersed over 4KM is 6A, still enough of a one shot.
 
Schnee_One said:
That argument doesn’t work usually because AP disperses over distance

A 5B attack dispersed over 4KM is 6A, still enough of a one shot.
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No dude. The whole "even if we assume 1 millionth of his AP" doesn't work due to arbitrary percentage. We just go by the highest shown feat if there is no concrete percentage.
 
Ever heard of the Ki Crush argument?

Vash was going to be killed by the amount of energy being outputted if Knives actually tried to kill him. Even then, that was a much weaker Knives
 
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