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This CRT is to get a general rule added to the verse page that should be followed when scaling the series, and or get this added to the discussion rules page for DxD.
1. In comparison to Boosts, the class system has been very inconsistent throughout the series despite having equal importance.
2. Narratively, the class system would lead you to believe that X character is stronger or weaker than Y, when via onscreen feats (And the Boost ability), Y is stronger than X.
3. There are examples (above) of this inconsistent method of scaling the characters (class system) contradicting the consistent method (Boosts have been accepted as being consistent in multiple threads and there is a blog covering every use of the ability to examine consistency.) of scaling the characters. (Boost)
4. The Class System doesn't only base it's scaling around strength, but other abilities as well, like achievement, royalty, leadership, speed, durability, technique, skill, ability to gather powerful teammates, potential, and other metrics. So we can't reliably determine what "X is Maou-Class" refers to exactly and we shouldn't default to assuming that it just means strength.
5. Characters that are ranked below certain classes can perform feats or output strength equal to a higher class. (Ex. Tannin is Ultimate Class but has Maou Class strength)
6. The range of strength varies widely for every class, X and Y can be in the same class but be millions of times apart via feats. (V1 Base Issei is Street Level, V2 Base Issei is Small City Level via calculated feats, both are Low Class) So when someone says, "Z is High Class", we don't know where that is due to the ranges being so varied.
7. Strength of classes vary between race. (Ex: Grim Reapers, their Ultimate Class is comparable to Devils Maou Class.) So when someone says, Y is Ultimate Class, most of the time, the description isn't detailed enough for us to know which race's class they are referring to. Especially when there are so many races in DxD (Angels, Fallen Angels, Devils, Dragons, Grim Reapers, Gods) that all are important and all are amongst the cast. It requires far too many assumptions to claim that it always refers to that of the Devils when contextually, it doesn't.
8. The top tiers of one class bleeds in to the bottom tiers of the next so claiming that X character that is a high tier of ultimate class isn't a low tier of maou class is very unreasonable.
9. Most class statements are just the author telling the reader where he believes a characters strength is via a character in the story, and because neither the author nor the characters are infallible, we should evaluate these statements with scrutiny. (Especially due to the presence of multiple authors.)
10. Some statements become outdated after a very short period of time due to the characters training. (Characters train during and between Volumes and can grow massively in short periods of time.)
For non knowledgeable members, the class system could be compared to the ninja ranking system in Naruto.
For the above reasons, I'll propose changes to how we evaluate this system and statements related to it.
1. We only use Classes to determine a minimum of a characters stats, not a cap.
2. We only use statements that are mostly sound, if any contradictions are present, we use their feats to determine which is more accurate.
3. Boosts take precedence in importance over Classes if there're contradictions between the two found.
4. Following this CRT, we make a blog determining the ranges of each class.
5. Write off certain statements that are contradicted.
6. Statements only apply at the time they are made.
7. If contradictions apply between the two authors, Ishibumi's word takes precedence.
8. Statements from the main series (DxD 1-25, Shin DxD 1-4) outweigh statements from secondary sources if there are contradictions between the two. (Spin-Offs or Side Stories like SD 1-3, DX 1-7, EX, 0, JDxD 1-2)
9. We treat the peaks of lower classes as comparable to the bottoms of higher classes. (Peak Low = Bottom Mid, Peak Mid = Bottom High, Peak High = Bottom Ultimate, etc)
Agree: Dragongod224
Neutral:
Disagree:
Angel: Low, Middle, High, Ultimate, Seraph
Fallen Angel: Low, Middle, Cadre
Dragon: Low, High, Dragon King, Heavenly Dragon, Dragon God
Devil: Low, Middle, High, Ultimate, Maou, Special (Super Devils and Transcendental devils may or may not be equivalent to this.)
Grim Reaper: Low, middle, High, Ultimate (Executive may or may not be equivalent to this.)
God: God, Chief God (Combatant and Non Combatant Gods also)
Fallen Angel: Low, Middle, Cadre
Dragon: Low, High, Dragon King, Heavenly Dragon, Dragon God
Devil: Low, Middle, High, Ultimate, Maou, Special (Super Devils and Transcendental devils may or may not be equivalent to this.)
Grim Reaper: Low, middle, High, Ultimate (Executive may or may not be equivalent to this.)
God: God, Chief God (Combatant and Non Combatant Gods also)
1. In comparison to Boosts, the class system has been very inconsistent throughout the series despite having equal importance.
2. Narratively, the class system would lead you to believe that X character is stronger or weaker than Y, when via onscreen feats (And the Boost ability), Y is stronger than X.
3. There are examples (above) of this inconsistent method of scaling the characters (class system) contradicting the consistent method (Boosts have been accepted as being consistent in multiple threads and there is a blog covering every use of the ability to examine consistency.) of scaling the characters. (Boost)
4. The Class System doesn't only base it's scaling around strength, but other abilities as well, like achievement, royalty, leadership, speed, durability, technique, skill, ability to gather powerful teammates, potential, and other metrics. So we can't reliably determine what "X is Maou-Class" refers to exactly and we shouldn't default to assuming that it just means strength.
5. Characters that are ranked below certain classes can perform feats or output strength equal to a higher class. (Ex. Tannin is Ultimate Class but has Maou Class strength)
6. The range of strength varies widely for every class, X and Y can be in the same class but be millions of times apart via feats. (V1 Base Issei is Street Level, V2 Base Issei is Small City Level via calculated feats, both are Low Class) So when someone says, "Z is High Class", we don't know where that is due to the ranges being so varied.
7. Strength of classes vary between race. (Ex: Grim Reapers, their Ultimate Class is comparable to Devils Maou Class.) So when someone says, Y is Ultimate Class, most of the time, the description isn't detailed enough for us to know which race's class they are referring to. Especially when there are so many races in DxD (Angels, Fallen Angels, Devils, Dragons, Grim Reapers, Gods) that all are important and all are amongst the cast. It requires far too many assumptions to claim that it always refers to that of the Devils when contextually, it doesn't.
8. The top tiers of one class bleeds in to the bottom tiers of the next so claiming that X character that is a high tier of ultimate class isn't a low tier of maou class is very unreasonable.
9. Most class statements are just the author telling the reader where he believes a characters strength is via a character in the story, and because neither the author nor the characters are infallible, we should evaluate these statements with scrutiny. (Especially due to the presence of multiple authors.)
10. Some statements become outdated after a very short period of time due to the characters training. (Characters train during and between Volumes and can grow massively in short periods of time.)
For non knowledgeable members, the class system could be compared to the ninja ranking system in Naruto.
For the above reasons, I'll propose changes to how we evaluate this system and statements related to it.
1. We only use Classes to determine a minimum of a characters stats, not a cap.
2. We only use statements that are mostly sound, if any contradictions are present, we use their feats to determine which is more accurate.
3. Boosts take precedence in importance over Classes if there're contradictions between the two found.
4. Following this CRT, we make a blog determining the ranges of each class.
5. Write off certain statements that are contradicted.
6. Statements only apply at the time they are made.
7. If contradictions apply between the two authors, Ishibumi's word takes precedence.
8. Statements from the main series (DxD 1-25, Shin DxD 1-4) outweigh statements from secondary sources if there are contradictions between the two. (Spin-Offs or Side Stories like SD 1-3, DX 1-7, EX, 0, JDxD 1-2)
9. We treat the peaks of lower classes as comparable to the bottoms of higher classes. (Peak Low = Bottom Mid, Peak Mid = Bottom High, Peak High = Bottom Ultimate, etc)
Agree: Dragongod224
Neutral:
Disagree:
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