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DxD 2-A Cosmology Upgrade CRT

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MasqueTLDF

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Link to my Blog https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MasqueTLDF/DxD_Cosmology please get this accepted so I can add it to the verse page and get started on upgrades for Character Profiles. This is the second step in something great!

Current Staff who agree: DarkDragonMedeus, ActuallySpaceMan42, Elizhaa
Current non Staff who agree: Trigger, CurrySenpai, Yasuda_144, Memonto_Mori, Digital_Franz, Qliphoth_Bacikal, Grabbing_dragon, TotalMasterInfinity
Current Staff who disagree: Firestorm808
Current non Staff who disagree: BlackeJan (disagrees with rating game size), Vietthai96 (doesn't believe stars or real and that universes aren't assumed to be 3-A?), Phoenks (Disagress with 2-A Dimensional Gap instead believing a 2-C Rating is more justified), Tom4t0GG789
Didn't include those who remained neutral or believe it should be higher as that's a different discussion entirely.
 
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The reasoning used in the blog seems to be reasonable enough, but if the Dimensional Gap is truly dimensionless, wouldn't that mean that it can't really be "infinitely bigger" than the realms it contains, on account of not having genuine size in the first place?

It'd still be able to scale to the maximum extent of the cosmology it contains, but technically speaking a direct quantitive comparison between the two would only be an analogy in that case.
 
Yasuda_144 said:
The reasoning used in the blog seems to be reasonable enough, but if the Dimensional Gap is truly dimensionless, wouldn't that mean that it can't really be "infinitely bigger" than the realms it contains, on account of not having genuine size in the first place?

It'd still be able to scale to the maximum extent of the cosmology it contains, but technically speaking a direct quantitive comparison between the two would only be an analogy in that case.
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Not exactly "dimensionless", closer to a higher dimension, it's beyond everything else. I don't think there's anything exactly against it being infinitely larger.
 
i can understand the only dimensions except for the isolation/creation dimensions for rating games. It’s the same concept with a few that just cause it has stars, we don’t know how big it is for all we know it could just be as big as the anime wants it to be or as big as they only want to make for the game itself. It would be an assumption to assume it’s much bigger then we think
 
BlackeJan said:
i can understand the only dimensions except for the isolation/creation dimensions for rating games. It’s the same concept with a few that just cause it has stars, we don’t know how big it is for all we know it could just be as big as the anime wants it to be or as big as they only want to make for the game itself. It would be an assumption to assume it’s much bigger then we think
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Rating Game fields are at most 4-A due to having multiple stars. Isolation Barrier is high 3-A due to its connection to the sacred gear system (Which I forgot to add :3) and its comparison to the Dimensional Gap.
 
MasqueTLDF said:
Rating Game fields are at most 4-A due to having multiple stars. Isolation Barrier is high 3-A due to its connection to the sacred gear system (Which I forgot to add :3) and its comparison to the Dimensional Gap.
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Still wouldn’t be considered as such for the rating games considering we don’t know how big of the dimension it is. There are actually a few series that had the same thing going on for them but it wasn’t accepted cause of the unknown size of the created dimension. That would also be like saying someone blowing up earth is 4-A cause we can see the stars in the sky
 
BlackeJan said:
Still wouldn’t be considered as such for the rating games considering we don’t know how big of the dimension it is. There are actually a few series that had the same thing going on for them but it wasn’t accepted cause of the unknown size of the created dimension. That would also be like saying someone blowing up earth is 4-A cause we can see the stars in the sky
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? Rating Game fields mean the dimension containing them, a dimension with a starry sky is 4-A regardless.
 
Vietthai96 said:
I said multiple times that you nees to prove those are actual stars bruhh, it is standard
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Rating Game fields are recreations of real life places. Example: Volume 2:
[Hello everyone. I am Grayfia, a maid from the House of Gremory and today I will be the arbiter of the Rating match between the House of Gremory and the House of Phoenix.]

School broadcast? It’s Grayfia-san’s voice.

[In the name of my Master, Sirzechs Lucifer, I will be keeping my eye on this match. By using both Rias-sama and Riser-sama’s opinion, we created this battlefield which is a replica of the school, Kuoh Academy, which Rias-sama attends to in the human world.]

What! T-Then this clubroom is a replica? It’s exactly the same! The location of the furniture and even the scratches on the wall is the exact same so it really has a high reproduction of the real thing!
Example: Volume 5:
—At last, the game had begun!


The place we arrived at after jumping through the magic circle was—a place full of tables.

…This was a wide restaurant somewhere? When I thought that and looked at the surroundings, it seemed to be a dining floor, with fast-food restaurants surrounding the tables.

Was this also an exact replica of a real place, prepared in a space for our exclusive use? The power of devils was just as amazing as usual.

Do you have any evidence debunking this? Why wouldn't they be real?
 
YEah, there's no reason to assume they aren't real stars when evidence suggests that the creations within a rating game are in fact real, this isn't SAO where you could argue it'sa skybox
 
CurrySenpai said:
YEah, there's no reason to assume they aren't real stars when evidence suggests that the creations within a rating game are in fact real, this isn't SAO where you could argue it'sa skybox
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At the same time, there are no reason to assume they are real stars, so.......default assumption will be the lowest, not highest interpretation. SAO have direct anti-evidences, DxD on the other hand, assumption in both way, so at best, if we being lenient, then a possibly rating, not a full-blown. Anymore complain i think you should bring it up in a Q&A about standard, or revise it, if standard change then it is fine by me
 
Vietthai96 said:
At the same time, there are no reason to assume they are real stars, so.......default assumption will be the lowest, not highest interpretation. SAO have direct anti-evidences, DxD on the other hand, assumption in both way, so at best, if we being lenient, then a possibly rating, not a full-blown. Anymore complain i think you should bring it up in a Q&A about standard, or revise it, if standard change then it is fine by me
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I just provided evidence bro what.
 
Vietthai96 said:
At the same time, there are no reason to assume they are real stars, so.......default assumption will be the lowest, not highest interpretation. SAO have direct anti-evidences, DxD on the other hand, assumption in both way, so at best, if we being lenient, then a possibly rating, not a full-blown. Anymore complain i think you should bring it up in a Q&A about standard, or revise it, if standard change then it is fine by me
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Okay, but what evidence is there to suggest the stars AREN'T real, like seriously is there anything beyond "The text did not very explicitly state that the stars in the Rating Game Field are real."

We have no evidence to suggest they aren't, and more reason to assume they are real. If I create a pocket dimension and the pocket dimension has stars that came with it, then one would assume I created those stars as well. We're not about to deny the thread on the reason that you think there's no actual stars.
 
CurrySenpai said:
YEah, there's no reason to assume they aren't real stars when evidence suggests that the creations within a rating game are in fact real, this isn't SAO where you could argue it'sa skybox
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Then yeah u have to find evidence if they are real or not. Same reasoning on how big the rating game dimension is. We can’t just assume it’s as big as a universe or a solar system
 
BlackeJan said:
Then yeah u have to find evidence if they are real or not. Same reasoning on how big the rating game dimension is. We can’t just assume it’s as big as a universe or a solar system
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I'm not sure if people can see it or not but did I not literally just provide evidence? Is there an error or something?
 
MasqueTLDF said:
I'm not sure if people can see it or not but did I not literally just provide evidence? Is there an error or something?
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This is happening in the general discussion thread as well where you can't see what I linked, and both instances are me copying text from another site so I'm a bit worried.
 
Just so anyone might have had a hard time reading through the scans on the OP's blog, here's a summarized version of their primary intent/proclamation:

  • Heaven: Low 2-C size, consists of 7 floors/levels which includes the 3rd Heaven where souls reside. Stated to be the largest floor of all, and so big that its endpoint isn't seen/can't be told(?)
  • Underworld/Hell: 4-A, possibly Low 2-C: Has a world whose landmass is basically ours but more land and no ocean(?), with its own sun and moon to boot as well as stars + daytime and nighttime, and everything else being made to match/imitate that of the Human World. Also has multiple levels like Heaven as well as other domains related to Underworld like the Netherworld, Purgatory, and Limbo.
  • Human World: High 3-A cuz of earth which has Touki/Life energy which is infinite and is very rich in terms of both density and volume, also one place has a basement that's infinitely wide. If not, it's likely just to be Low 2-C if it's just the universe we live in but yeah.
  • Mythological Worlds: 2-C as there are at least 10 mythological pantheons confirmed to exist beyond the Bible's/Christianity's mythos that exist as dimensions alongside having at least their own Heaven that likely share similar traits due to being mentioned for existing such as Buddhist Heaven and Hindu Heaven, as well as the domains of Gods like Hindu's Mt. Meru, Norse's Yggdrissal and Asgard, Buddhist Nirvana(?), and so on.
  • Alternate Timelines/Parallel Worlds: 2-C via Ishibumi's tweets of ideas of alt worldlines with some of his characters, plus that of his old works like Denpachi and his WN story of Slash/Dog as their own timelines as well separate from the rest of DxD's main setting. DxD Ex even confirms about several worldlines being branched out, and there's a future antagonist (Melvazoa) who has some sort of immortality that involves manipulating their own concept of existence including interfering/manipulating parallel versions of themselves which can support the whole multiple worlds and timelines things.
  • Rating Game dimensions and Isolation Barrier: 4-A tops for former, Low 2-C for latter.
    • More of an add on to the parallel worlds part, ExE and FxF serve as their worlds that live parallel to DxD's (which is pretty much almost the entirety of everything else up to this point).
  • Dimensional Gap/Void: 2-A as it's the very nothingness that encompasses or surrounds(?) all of the known worlds in DxD such as the Human World, Underworld, Heaven, and quite likely even the mythos realms where Gods and the like reside + its infinitely distant and possesses a "boundless nothingness". Likely even encompasses the neighboring(?)/parallel worlds of ExE and FxF.
The TL;DR ver (if possibly even needed):
  • DxD's main setting (Zero, OG DxD, Shin DxD, DxD Dx, Ex, Fallen God Slash-Dog, and a canon spin off of Junior) is 2-C with multiple worlds of Low 2-C scale give or take, with several branches of timelines having had split off from a certain point in the main setting's main canon events (DxD anime, Ishibumi's tweets, etc.)
  • Worlds like Denpachi (Ishibumi's original work), WN/Original Slash-Dog, ExE, and FxF exist parallel or separate otherwise (in the case of the first two) from DxD, making it also 2-C of a smaller scale on their own. More when added to DxD's overall cosmology.
  • Dimensional Gap (Dimensional Void in official TL's) is the nothingness that encompasses all. It's of a "boundless nothingness" and is described as being infinitely close "yet infinitely distant" even compared to several of the Low 2-C that have their own endless scale stuff like one of Heaven's floors.

I probably butchered a little of this here and there, but didn't want to make the explanation too long. Going through the OP's blog directly and properly would give you the full details and information of what they presented.
 
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Are there any other ways to get staff to view this, we just need one more agree and it could be added right?
 
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