Durability upgrade to Multi-continent level for Kakashi & Shisui ?

[LordWhis]

They should be comparable to Madara.

 

[LordWhis]

Also one Rinnegan Madara should have Multi-continent level durability as well

 

[Rocker1189]

They are not comparable to Madara where did you get that from.

 

[LordWhis]

They are not comparable to Madara where did you get that from.

Um... Cause we scale them from Madara ?

 

[Rocker1189]

but no one scales from Madara, at least not Kakshi or Shisui.

 

[LordWhis]

but no one scales from Madara, at least not Kakshi or Shisui.

Their pages say otherwise

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah prime madara who is country level.

 

[LordWhis]

yeah prime madara who is country level.

With multi-continent level durability

 

[Rocker1189]

oh lol. Maybe ask some others then. I guess I dont see a problem with it.

 

[Heilergott]

Kakashi scales from Madara's PS and just from that. MultiC Durability does not come from Susanoo = no Scaling towards Kakashi and Shisui, as far as I know.

 

[Heilergott]

Also, you might want to write this stuff in the Naruto CR threads first instead of making new ones. Stuff like this is both discussed, approved and debunked there all the time.

 

[LordWhis]

@heilergott: Madara's multi continent level durability comes from his ps

 

[Heilergott]

If you mean, the first, Madara is not exactly MC level. He is just possibly there. Do not know if you are allowed to scale from something this spongy. Especially since Madara is a Indra Reincarnation.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Actually Madara's MC lvl dura is solid,Shinsuusenju couldve crush him if he was only Country lvl in dura,that's why we suggested to add MC dura.

 

[LordWhis]

BTW Dzhind, your vote goes to Naruto in Naruto Vs doffy right ?

 

[Heilergott]

@Dzhin It is not very clear if the Susanoo survived it and at the time it was Perfect Atire Susanoo, not the normal one.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Heilergott

It is very clear that his Susanoo survived and was only partially destroyed.Perfect Atrire Susanoo is just a PS with a different form,thats all.

 

[Heilergott]

@Dhin it is a Susanoo-Form enhanced by the NineTails and has shown to be superior to normal Susanoo. At least, that is what was agreed upon.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

You are wrong,we discussed that during the revision and I dont want to repeat it another time.Susanoo isnt enhanced,it is made only by Madara,Madara never shared his power with Kurama like Naruto does that.

 

[Heilergott]

You must have missed something. MA is on Madara's Page seperately written out to be Superior to PS.

It written out as "County Level with PS, higher with MA" And if you mean Edo Madara, he definitely does not scale. He was implanted Hashiramas Cells which makes him so much stronger than when he was alive, as shown when Offscreened Hashirama. Neither Shisui or Kakashi have Hashis Chakra.

Well, thats everything I got. Otherwise, one of us might have overlooked yet another damn Thread or something. Would still recommend to just go into the big CR to ask for a upgrade.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Durability: At least City level+ (Stronger than Tobirama), possibly Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susano'o (Tanked Kurama's Bijuudama without any damage, and Hashirama's Shinsuusenju could only partially destroy it)

Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susano'o (Held off Sage Hashirama)

We are talking about durability,not AP.

 

[Heilergott]

... why the heck is it is it only Possibly then? I mean, if it is that clear? Write it in the Naruto Additions, will be done soon then.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Possibly doesnt mean it is lower or questionable.But i think you are right.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

but no one scales from Madara, at least not Kakshi or Shisui.

Kakashi: Overwhelmed Kaguya for a burst of time Kaguya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANY MADARA let alone one eye

Shisui: Susanoo rivals Itachis whos is stated to be equal or stronger in durability than Madaras (the full body susanoo of course not perfect)

Whis is rght on this one

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Kaguya isn't that much above Madara.

Kakashi didn't overwhelm her with pure strength,it was just Kamui,wich she can not resist.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Ok first I know for 100% fact that you did not just say Kaguya isnt that much above Madara when Naruto Riddiku >= Madara Saskue Riddiku >= Madara and after got his second eye

Naruto and Saskue riddiku together =< Madara yet Kaguya >>>> Team 7 (With Kakshi susanoo)

SO yes Kaguya is (STRONGER) entirley than Madara

and did you see that feat? He also damaged her using Rakiri (Lightning Blade)

 

[Dzhindzholia]

That was Kamui raikiri,ignores durability.

And no,Three eyes Madara>Naruto and Sasuke.And slightly weaker than Kaguya,the reason why he was weaker than Kaguya was that he didn't absorb chakra from ppl.She was stronger cause she absorbed chakra and amped herself,Madara could do that too,if not Zetsu.

Kaguya can not be stronger than Madara while they have the same source of power and share the same body.

 

[Heilergott]

Is Kaguya not literally stated to be on a completely different level than literally every single one else?

 

[Rocker1189]

THat is what I thought lol.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Heilergott

Yes,because she absorbed a lot of chakra when transformed.Not a completely different lvl,cause Naruto and Sasuke could somwhow harm her.

 

[Heilergott]

What? Chakra does not equal into Durability. It is stated Word for Word that she's "on a whole different level", seemingly so far beyond anyone else even Sasuke can barely believe it to be possible.

As for "the same source"... No. Madara had a Source of Power. Kaguya IS the source of power. She has shown half a dozen abilities Madara has not even come close to presenting, has shown to be physicaly superior to 3E-Madara and more. It is made very clear she is superior in anything but skill, or well, Punch-In-The-Face-Skill.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

She showed more jutsus tehniques and power only cause Madara was turned into her,that is it,Kishi didn't even let him do anything.And yes,more chakra equal to more power if character uses it to amplify his stats.

I don't know if it is true but Kishi created Kaguya only cause Madara was too stronk for Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[Heilergott]

That is what the peeps assume. But her Backrounds do not matter. Fact is that she is presented as far more powerful.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I tried to explain why she is more powerful.Madara could do the same.Damn Kishi.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

@Heilergott
Yes,because she absorbed a lot of chakra when transformed.Not a completely different lvl,cause Naruto and Sasuke could somwhow harm her.

Your argueing an invalid point thats just like saying if Madara didnt amp himself with Ten Tails

Ten tails > Shinobi alliance without the outrageousley strong ones

And also again three eyes Madara was extreamly tired just look at him at time of death (Zetsus back stab) I mean he survived getting reality kicked in half why not a simple stab he was tired he was at his limit whereas Naruto and Saskue (wouldnt have deafeated him tho) could go a few extra rounds

Also Kaguya is techinacly the Tenn Tails which means Madara used a large portion of her power so her absorbing mostly fodder charecters chakra HELL no

And no the point is SHE IS FAR STRONGER THAN MADARA BASE AND UP not just (stronger)

 

[Reppuzan]

Why does Rinnegan = Durability?

Pain certainly isn't High 6-A.

 

[Mindovin]

Madara tired? He has nigh-unlimited stamina/chakra as JJ.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

"nigh"

 

[Mindovin]

pretty much unlimited = nigh unlimited. His stamina/chakra vastly greater than Naruto and Sasuke even after they take chakra from Hagoromo. With Juubi there is no way he can tire himself that easily without doing nothing. Also he can fight against Hashirama one day while going all out when alive.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

^ yes but he was almost out of it hence being killed by a stab in da back