This is not "a singular galaxy", you can clearly see the myriad of other celestial bodies.
It doesn't show a singular galaxy, it shows a glowy center where other glows orbit it
What am i supposed to be seeing here?
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I already alswered this in my summary, so i will not repeat myself, haven't agreed to stop answering so that staff could evaluate the summaries? Why has this reached another page?
Edge would mean that there is an end, so not infinite, someone reaching the end of an infinite corridor then it is an infinite speed feat, but this situation is not comparable to that
There have been counter arguments
A bubble with a galaxy and stars (your link doesn’t work Btw) and weirdly enough there’s no afterlife or kaioshin realm? Like the map since there’s no darkness afterlife or kaioshin realm let’s just downgrade the verse to 3-C
Bro the afterlife isn’t a higher plane of existence and it wouldn’t matter if it was that’s not a good argument to why it’s not seen afterlife and living realm are the same dimensionality if you reach the end of an infinite universe there’s an edge but our argument doesn’t rely on that so I hope that’s not brought up again
To add onto this, the diagram, outside of the Super manga and the TV anime, only ever appears in databooks. The diagram should not be viewed as the standard for consistency, as said diagram is not within the continuity of the Super anime.
So things that aren’t seen can still be there? I think it’s obvious that isn’t the real universe for db as it’s in the guides and dbs manga but it’s all good but the argument must be consistent you cant pick and choose what is shown and what isn’t shown
I have said different plane, not higher, but regardless that was a small point and not the full argument, you said that you agreed with me with the whole "let us stop clogging the thread and let us have staff evaluate it" why are you not following on it?
i also covered this in my summary, it is not up to you to decide if it is a good argument or not, it is to the staff to decide if this is acceptable or not, which again confuses me since you had agreed with me on thar earlier on
It doesn't, infinity does not have an edge, since that would inply an end, the only that would be an argument would be if the said edge was shown via a character reaching it via speed, since that would be infinite speed, but that's besides the point
If you want staff to read the arguments, then why are you answering and making this thread longer and longer?
The only reason I’m replying is that you’re legit saying these realms are on different planes show they aren’t shown as your evidence when there’s NO PROOF for this
The dimensions are inside the universe, why would theg be shown?
A different dimension is on a differet plane, this is what make them different dimensions
A-*******-gain, being in the databooks means little to nothing when the on-screen portrayal contradicts the information. Remember what we discussed about scraping material if the source rejected its validity? This is scrapped.
I'm confused by this, literally you said The Other World and Kai's World not being seen doesn't mean they don't exist, but the infinite darkness not being seen mean it not exist??. If that is what you mean then your argument is extremely contradict
To add on this, the Daizenshuu 7 reports that "Like the universe, the Demon Realm is also divided into multiple areas", "the Demon Realm that takes the appearance of the reverse side of [the universe]", and that "[the Demon Realm] is a single, large world in the Living World".
When did I say this?
I thought you mean that way since you replied to godofice's comment??, that why i say i'm confused
Well it doesnt show the kaioshin realm and afterlife but if you’re not using it as an excuse to say it doesn’t depict the infinite darkness then im fine with it just don’t pick and choose what does and doesn’t fit your argument like Omega was doing with that
Wheres the contradiction?
I didn't do that tho, btw can we stop with the acusations?
Once again i am confused, you agreed to let it to the staff and yet you answer, which in turn prolongs the thread and makes it harder for staff to evaluate
Daizenshuu says the galaxies exist in an infinite quantity. Jaco says the galaxies exist in a finite number.
"the Records of the Worlds, described as containing "[all] matters of the vast universe are posted", including an extensive coordinate plane of outer space, is a finitely sized book and appears to be static in its contents."
That is not the point. The point is that the Daizenshuu claims that there are a myriad of alien creatures that exist beyond the far reaches of the universes, and the Supreme Kai confirms that there are not even thirty worlds with life.
Name one species other than the Namekians that speak their own unique language.
"To add on this, the Daizenshuu 7 reports that "Like the universe, the Demon Realm is also divided into multiple areas", "the Demon Realm that takes the appearance of the reverse side of [the universe]", and that "[the Demon Realm] is a single, large world in the Living World".
(You were you legit made up a reason for the realms not being shown and said that since the infinite darkness wasn’t shown it’s contradicted)
again, i didn't do such a thing, it was only one of the explanations, another one could be that the other dimensions are simply not visible from outside the universe
oh okay then, pardon me
Then you can argue that the infinite darkness can’t be seen from outside the universe you can’t choose one and leave everything out but if you weren’t trying to it’s okay
Countless or an unthinkable amount doesnt imply its finite but with supporting evidence could actually mean infinite so that’s not really a contradiction
not really, because the part that would include said darkness(the actual cosmos with stars and galaxies and whatnot) is clearly visible
Okay well where is the afterlife and Kaioshin realm? you cant pick and choose which ones are ok and which aren’t the universe is missing a lot of stuff and I dont know why you’re focused on a depiction of a universe with one galaxy Null is actually giving arguments that are more evidence based
i believe i already answered this, we are seeing the physical universe with stars galaxies and all that, the supossed darkness would surround it per your argument, therefore there is no reason to not see it there
it isn't accutually, these other dimensions are inside the universe, they can simply not be visible, on contrary to the physical part of it that is
i have aswered it numerous times that it isn't a galaxy, could you not ignore it please?
Wdym physical universe? Why would they leave out certain realms in the depiction of a Universe it’s your burden of proof to prove that
when did i said that they did?
there are numerous possible explanations, the only thing we know for sure is that they are not visible, and that is consistly shown in dbs as pointed by null
no it isn't, it is a gigantic center orbited by glowing points, what is to say that those are not ggalaxies?
You said we’re only seeing the physical universe or something which I don’t understand
Ahh yes saying that the universe is too big to reach the centre in time = infinite universe
bruh you came back
He still strolling around wiki all the time, he just didn't like to debate here anymore
As KLOL said before, that's not how we do things here. We don't scrap guidebooks just because they're not mentioned in the source material. We scrap them if they contradict the source material.
It's not about mentioned, it's about contradicted. Has DB ever established division of living universe itself on the basis of known and unknown universe? I don't recall a single moment someone or anywhere "known universe" to be mentioned.
The assertion of universe having division of known and unknown universe has to be proven for universe having edge to not be a contradiction. If not then this entire made up thing is just that.
It's literally stated in the Guidebook to be a zone where the unknown dwells (twice btw). And in verse nothing contradicts that.
It's not about unknown places of the universe, there are many of that kind, it's about universe itself having division of known and unknown universe to be mentioned or to be a thing. Observable universe or unobservable universe, there is need for this division to be established as universes on their own, just like U7 realms itself has the division and those divisions to be established as universes on their own.
