Dragonball Cosmology Revision: Part 3

[KLOL506]

NVM, someone already used that link before me. My bad.

 

[Omegabronic]

[How Do Time Machines Work? Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE

Around the beginning of Dragon Ball's Cell arc, a mysterious young man appears b

en.dragon-ball-official.com

What now?

i don't see how does that proves anything tbh, time travel = new timeline being made, i don't see how does that prove anything other than what we already know about how time travel works in db

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

NVM, someone already used that link before me. My bad.

okay, nice of you to mention that

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i don't see how does that proves anything tbh, time travel = new timeline being made, i don't see how does that prove anything other than what we already know about how time travel works in db

started the endless denial

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

NVM, someone already used that link before me. My bad.

could mark the Anti and my God?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Thank you, Toshifumi Futamase; Professor of Astrophysics & Meteorology at Kyoto Sangyo University's Faculty of Science, Specialist in General Relativity & Cosmology, engaged in theoretical and observational research of dark matter and dark matter energy.

How exactly is his word reliable? Or any real world physics?

The interviewer, Nikki, doesn't even appear to be connected to Dragon Ball, or, like, the Dragon Ball Room Initiative at all.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Null went into denial

The amazing thing is that this is quoted on the official DB page

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Something I want to say is if you’re gonna talk about toei cosmology do that in a seperate CRT and not this one
Also the Infinite universe has 1 staff agree and 1 staff disagree so far
If this gets rejected then it’ll just make the argument for infinite universe not being infinite less unlikely to happen again as there’s counters to this this topic is important since a cosmology blog is being made so there’s no point in saying stop doing it and just disprove it

Can someone name the contradictions as well? And if someone mentions the edge of the universe again https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragonball-cosmology-revision-part-3.150265/post-5534537

Is anyone gonna respond to this or??

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Can someone name the contradictions as well?

Not necessarily case of the information being contradictory, but of the information lacking any grounds in the original series, which, by the Wiki's standards, means the information is as good as useless.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

[How Do Time Machines Work? Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE

Around the beginning of Dragon Ball's Cell arc, a mysterious young man appears b

en.dragon-ball-official.com

What now?

Yes, that seems reasonable.

Can each side here do so in a comprehensive, but well-structured and easy to understand manner please?

Can you take a look?

To reiterate, please cite your sources if you can. We need to know where these scans come from.

Can you check it out?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Can you take a look?

Can you check it out?

This isn't relevant, Luffy.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This isn't relevant, Luffy.

Worst of all, it's talking about the verse and how the time machine works, and everything, also about the Universe being infinite, so it's valid! As long as it's from an official source.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

We don't scrap guidebooks because of no mention of them in the source material. Sorry, but whoever told you that is plain wrong.

 

[KLOL506]

We don't scrap guidebooks because of no mention of them in the source material. Sorry, but whoever told you that is plain wrong.

We only scrap them if they contradict the source material.

 

[Omegabronic]

started the endless denial

why do you every time someone says anything you don't like you start being defensive and accusatory? that is very childish

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

We only scrap them if they contradict the source material.

Exactly.

 

[Omegabronic]

Worst of all, it's talking about the verse and how the time machine works, and everything, also about the Universe being infinite, so it's valid! As long as it's from an official source.

how is that talking about the universe being infinite at all? it is just explaining how time travel works in db, which is no different than how we already treat it already

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Not necessarily case of the information being contradictory, but of the information lacking any grounds in the original series, which, by the Wiki's standards, means the information is as good as useless.

Yakon’s planet is a planet of darkness where there’s no light but either way there’s no contradictions and even so if it’s not contradicted it doenst make it useless

We don't scrap guidebooks because of no mention of them in the source material. Sorry, but whoever told you that is plain wrong.

We only scrap them if they contradict the source material.

I see calculation members when I see staff that are online are calculation members staff?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Worst of all, it's talking about the verse and how the time machine works, and everything, also about the Universe being infinite, so it's valid! As long as it's from an official source.

That stuff talks about alternate timelines. It's got nothing to do with the universe.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Yakon’s planet is a planet of darkness where there’s no light but either way there’s no contradictions and even so if it’s not contradicted it doenst make it useless

Yakon's planet is apparently an Anime only thing. So it's not usable here.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yakon's planet is apparently an Anime only thing. So it's not usable here.

It's also mentioned in the manga, bro

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Yakon's planet is apparently an Anime only thing. So it's not usable here.

Yakon’s planet still exists in the manga it just doesn’t have the same statement of being on the far side of the universe and in the daizenshuu is described as being dark due to the lack of stars

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Yakon’s planet still exists in the manga it just doesn’t have the same statement of being on the far side of the universe and in the daizenshuu is described as being dark due to the lack of stars

Then i personally don't see any contradiction

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Something I want to say is if you’re gonna talk about toei cosmology do that in a seperate CRT and not this one
Also the Infinite universe has 1 staff agree and 1 staff disagree so far
If this gets rejected then it’ll just make the argument for infinite universe not being infinite less unlikely to happen again as there’s counters to this this topic is important since a cosmology blog is being made so there’s no point in saying stop doing it and just disprove it

Can someone name the contradictions as well? And if someone mentions the edge of the universe again https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragonball-cosmology-revision-part-3.150265/post-5534537

Alright so we’ve discussed there’s no contradictions correct? So what other argument is there since the universe having an edge has been discussed and the opposition has s agreed there’s no contradictions

 

[Omegabronic]

Yakon’s planet still exists in the manga it just doesn’t have the same statement of being on the far side of the universe and in the daizenshuu is described as being dark due to the lack of stars

then it isn't useful in proving that there is an infinite darkness around an observable light universe

 

[Omegabronic]

Alright so we’ve discussed there’s no contradictions correct?

summary of my arguments here:


The counter argument being used for the universe having an edge is that it is the edge of the "observable/light part" of the universe and that after that there is an infinite darkness that is infinite in size, but when we see the universe from an outside perspective we see no greater darkness surrounding a light part of it, which would disqualify this said darkness from even being a thing at all, some brought up how we don't see the other dimensions of the macrocosm, but since they are other dimensions they would be in other planes of existance and wouldn't be seeable from an outside perspective, plus the model used to say that they would be seeable is never used in the dbz manga and dbs anime so the series depiction takes precedence over it anyway, plus the statement itself never specified that it is talking about any observable universe in place of the entire universe, and we have no reason to believe that it is talking about an specific part of it

So what other argument is there since the universe having an edge has been discussed and the opposition has s agreed there’s no contradictions

the oposition has not agreed on it tho?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

then it isn't useful in proving that there is an infinite darkness around an observable light universe

Well it’s a planet of darkness where there’s no stars but either way the guides aren’t contradicting the series and unless they do that’s when they’re scrapped

Not necessarily case of the information being contradictory, but of the information lacking any grounds in the original series, which, by the Wiki's standards, means the information is as good as useless.

the oposition has not agreed on it tho?

If you don’t agree you may name the contradiction

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well it’s a planet of darkness where there’s no stars but either way the guides aren’t contradicting the series and unless they do that’s when they’re scrapped


If you don’t agree you may name the contradiction

You can be carefree, the only contradiction in the Universe being infinite is the fact that they claim that the Universe has only four Galaxies, the rest is not even an argument, AKM when it was in the review it had a bad interpretation and caused the Galaxies business, that's all you need to disprove, the rest doesn't matter.

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"like the existence of four galaxie
s"

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

You can be carefree, the only contradiction in the Universe being infinite is the fact that they claim that the Universe has only four Galaxies, the rest is not even an argument, AKM when it was in the review it had a bad interpretation and caused the Galaxies business, that's all you need to disprove, the rest doesn't matter.

4 galaxies which are a denomination used by the gods

You can be carefree, the only contradiction in the Universe being infinite is the fact that they claim that the Universe has only four Galaxies, the rest is not even an argument, AKM when it was in the review it had a bad interpretation and caused the Galaxies business, that's all you need to disprove, the rest doesn't matter.

That wasn’t a contradiction it’s just a denomination used by the gods referring to sections or quadrants of the universe which are infinitely expanding and the space beyond this is an infinite darkness and referred to as infinitely expansive universe but yeah I’m not worried I would love to see any contradictions and actual arguments that haven’t been refuted as things like this just make the argument better and stronger

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I think the only point that may cause contention is the Bulma one.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I think the only point that may cause contention is the Bulma one.

Space is infinite beyond the stars and earth is shown at the edge of a galactic region. Still consistent.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

4 galaxies which are a denomination used by the gods

That wasn’t a contradiction it’s just a denomination used by the gods referring to sections or quadrants of the universe which are infinitely expanding and the space beyond this is an infinite darkness and referred to as infinitely expansive universe but yeah I’m not worried I would love to see any contradictions and actual arguments that haven’t been refuted as things like this just make the argument better and stronger

Good, this is the only contradiction they use to say that the universe is not infinite, I'm even shocked by it, lol

 

[Braking]

I think the only point that may cause contention is the Bulma one.

The “edge of the universe” quote?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

The “edge of the universe” quote?

Yeah, the one that mentions the edge and center.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

The “edge of the universe” quote?

Yeah, the one that mentions the edge and center.

Space is infinite beyond the stars and earth is shown at the edge of a galactic region. Still consistent.

 

[Omegabronic]

Space is infinite beyond the stars and earth is shown at the edge of a galactic region. Still consistent.

She straight says that the universe has an edge tho, this is a contradiction, plus the supposed "infinite" darkness not being there when we see the universe from outside

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

She straight says that the universe has an edge tho, this is a contradiction, plus the supposed "infinite" darkness not being there when we see the universe from outside

Post in thread 'Dragonball Cosmology Revision: Part 3'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragonball-cosmology-revision-part-3.150265/post-5534537

And the universe is depicted as a bubble with a singular galaxy and not this or something similar so I don’t know why we’d be able to see that

 

[Braking]

Yeah, the one that mentions the edge and center.

Now me personally. That shit goofy dawg.
Thats like saying if you reach the end of an infinite corridor it aint infinite. That shit alone would contradict infinite speed. Anything can have an edge.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Now me personally. That shit goofy dawg.
Thats like saying if you reach the end of an infinite corridor it aint infinite. That shit alone would contradict infinite speed. Anything can have an edge.

Space is infinite beyond the stars and earth is shown at the edge of a galactic region. Still consistent.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

She straight says that the universe has an edge tho, this is a contradiction, plus the supposed "infinite" darkness not being there when we see the universe from outside

Why are you hung up on a stylistic depiction of the universe that only shows a singular galaxy? That alone should indicate it's not exactly 1:1 or a faithful representation of its full scale.