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Dragon Talisman High-1A And 0 upgrade

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Heck. I can't believe anyone can compare Dragon Talisman and its creator with things like Hybrid Mage, Suggsverse. What makes them on the same level? Most fully adapted works (anime, manga/manhua, game, live action)? The author has nearly two decades of writing experience? 95% of the series has absolutely no tiershit elements? Millions to Tens of millions of fans and followers? The author does not exist in or know anything about vs battle or the term powerscalling? Earn millions of dollars with just copyright? Vice president of network literature of an entire province? A work with the most prestigious translator in the profession (Deathblade)? A martial arts master who has created martial arts work that has inspired many people through his adventures across many regions?
 
Phoenks said:
Okay? That doesn't mean we have to index them, especially if they start writing stuff that is reminiscent of suggsverse. Once again, if you were to remove the powerwank aspects of suggsverse and hybrid mage, they are also just normal series with a decent-sized following. We choose not to index them because they have such outrageous, power-scale focused aspects.
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And honestly even if this CRT is accepted. The only one who becomes Tier 0 (even just baseline) is MC (and no one will scale to him), the rest are tier 2 and the highest is 1-A (And if there is any profile for High-1A, there can only be one because at least he has a prominent name and role.)
So I don't understand what the problem is here. If it's rampant wiki with extremely high Tier 0 (SRE) and lots of profiles (SCP) then yes you have points
 
Phoenks said:
Okay? That doesn't mean we have to index them, especially if they start writing stuff that is reminiscent of suggsverse. Once again, if you were to remove the powerwank aspects of suggsverse and hybrid mage, they are also just normal series with a decent-sized following. We choose not to index them because they have such outrageous, power-scale focused aspects.
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By that logic we can delete every single verse that was worked on by a mathematician such as SRE and Manifold, along with other works such as Xeelee Sequence because it was worked on by baxter, maybe we should delete homestuck since it also goes off the deep end with statements of omnipotent and omniscient
 
deonment said:
By that logic we can delete every single verse that was worked on by a mathematician such as SRE and Manifold, along with other works such as Xeelee Sequence because it was worked on by baxter, maybe we should delete homestuck since it also goes off the deep end with statements of omnipotent and omniscient
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bro sre, manifold, homestuck, etc are all classics
 
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Why does the author being "notable" excuse the fact that this is some of the most blatant power obsessed wankfest writing I've ever seen? Like, it doesn't even try to hide it.

I don't know how people can seriously defend this kind of work being on VSBW, yet be so vehemently against things like Suggsverse and Hybrid Mage at the same time. The only difference at this point is that those are made by people who are confirmed to be involved in powerscaling.

The quality of writing and intent behind these powerscaling-esque concepts is no different.

Either allow everything, or these kinds of verses should be put in the same group as Suggsverse in terms of how we treat them.
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I would personally much prefer to forbid all of them from being featured in our wiki, to not have it completely spammed by power-mad psychopathic drivel writing (cough SCP cough).
 
Antvasima said:
I would personally much prefer to forbid all of them from being featured in our wiki, to not have it completely spammed by power-mad psychopathic drivel writing (cough SCP cough).
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I think Ant is quite right about the author, since Enternal Life the author has been power-mad psychopathic, He always tries to write the most powerful, most amazing thing, using apophathic theology and creating terms New about transcendence and nothingness like Anulled is when it is translated into eng, but the Chinese word is a completely new word that is not in the dictionary. However, comparing the Divine Dreamwever to the suggverse, hyb magic is an insult. He may have been power-mad psychopathic since he became an elite, but before he was also a very famous and talented author when he wrote many good works that had tens of millions of fans. He's not some crappy author who writes Novels just to power scale. His ideas conveyed in the novels can be criticized but to put him in comparison to the power scale novels is stupid and insulting.
 
Actually, 1-7xx chapter DT novel is quite good when it is a game of thrones but has a terrible scale of power. <(“) The author let it go too far out of control to become what it is now, but at first it was a political struggle for the throne in a great dynasty. The novel title Dragon talisman also shows that. When Dragon in Chinese culture represents the emperor, Dragon Talisman I remember it as a treasure that helps people become Emperor.
 
Antvasima said:
I would personally much prefer to forbid all of them from being featured in our wiki, to not have it completely spammed by power-mad psychopathic drivel writing (cough SCP cough).
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Are you going to apply this to all the verses that come from China? If that's the case then fine, make a separate thread about it, as long as it's not just targeting this verse directly
 
PDB123456789 said:
I think Ant is quite right about the author, since Enternal Life the author has been power-mad psychopathic, He always tries to write the most powerful, most amazing thing, using apophathic theology and creating terms New about transcendence and nothingness like Anulled is when it is translated into eng, but the Chinese word is a completely new word that is not in the dictionary. However, comparing the Divine Dreamwever to the suggverse, hyb magic is an insult. He may have been power-mad psychopathic since he became an elite, but before he was also a very famous and talented author when he wrote many good works that had tens of millions of fans. He's not some crappy author who writes Novels just to power scale. His ideas conveyed in the novels can be criticized but to put him in comparison to the power scale novels is stupid and insulting.
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Actually, 1-7xx chapter DT novel is quite good when it is a game of thrones but has a terrible scale of power. <(“) The author let it go too far out of control to become what it is now, but at first it was a political struggle for the throne in a great dynasty. The novel title Dragon talisman also shows that. When Dragon in Chinese culture represents the emperor, Dragon Talisman I remember it as a treasure that helps people become Emperor.
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Cut it off, buddy. Ant won't listen to what you say. What's to blame is my mistake upgrading this to Tier 0/High-1A based on Ultima's answer on discord if it's 2-A like now nothing will happen. The Dao of hypocrisy and racist exists in many forms, just look at things like ID, Maou Gakuin, Awlba, Shallow's verse... they are welcome, supported despite the wankfest writing they possess. But it is not for Chinese verses (Social Credit has fallen to the negative infinity) even if the author is a literal billionaire and has decades of experience in writing, "Tolkien" of Chinese online literature,..

Maybe the moral standards and writing quality are different, more pleasing to the taste. But instead of being treated as equals, they are trampled on like Suggsverse, SCP, Hybrid Mage (and literally nothing in common between them. SCP is wrong because it has many writers and there is nothing to completely stop a powerscaler participated, but why should this apply to works with only one author, the country's millionaire and billionaire?)

Tldr: Let time tell, if Ultima or any staffs don't really care about Tier of the verse in the next few days then please close this thread. I don't want my thread to be filled with these slanderous (and racist) comments
 
Rabbit2002 said:
Cut it off, buddy. Ant won't listen to what you say. What's to blame is my mistake upgrading this to Tier 0/High-1A based on Ultima's answer on discord if it's 2-A like now nothing will happen. The Dao of hypocrisy and racist exists in many forms, just look at things like ID, Maou Gakuin, Awlba, Shallow's verse... they are welcome, supported despite the wankfest writing they possess. But it is not for Chinese verses (Social Credit has fallen to the negative infinity) even if the author is a literal billionaire and has decades of experience in writing, "Tolkien" of Chinese online literature,..

Maybe the moral standards and writing quality are different, more pleasing to the taste. But instead of being treated as equals, they are trampled on like Suggsverse, SCP, Hybrid Mage (and literally nothing in common between them. SCP is wrong because it has many writers and there is nothing to completely stop a powerscaler participated, but why should this apply to works with only one author, the country's millionaire and billionaire?)

Tldr: Let time tell, if Ultima or any staffs don't really care about Tier of the verse in the next few days then please close this thread. I don't want my thread to be filled with these slanderous (and racist) comments
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It sounds like Ant hates Chinamen <(“) 🗿
 
I mentioned in the past that I don't want to participate in the thread and ignored all the calls from different users as I don't like to go on verses of such high scaling but today's posts made me.

@Phoenks Do you have any constructive to say about the thread or are you just here to vent about X has that scaling, Y is wank, Z is like Suggverse, etc? If nothing helpful then don't comment as it's just a derailment for the thread. Did you read the novel to know if it's like Suggverse or Hybrid Mage? No, then you can't know how a novel, book, tv series, or the like is by just seeing a fragment of it - its like seeing Saitama sneeze a planet away, or him crushing a portal with bare hands, and then say its like X series that has similar feats but a bad plot, even worse written characters, and no world building, then group both of them in the same league. Guess we ignore all the story development till that point of our MC, different side characters with their own lives and developments, and the world setting that has been built around it.

"No one write things like this" - joke on you, then guess all the thousands of web novels, light novels, games, tv series, etc with tier 1 are all shit and have no ground to be on wiki as no normal human would write something about higher dimensional beings destroying universes, higher dimensions, etc. Sure its sounds funny, and even cringe when the author adds "Nanoverse, Microverse, Mesoverse, Megaverse, Gigaverse", or "unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchabl" but that's his right and creativity at work to do whatever he wants with his story; if he couldn't find better names then that's it, while the second quote goes to Buddhism and Taoism teachings and scriptures which also use the same phrases, or wait did you know that in the actual teachings, it's even longer and pompous?

Moreover, there were Multi-bodied Spirits as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. Specifically, they were: Multi-bodied Spirit Cowl Adorned with Pure Flowers; Multi-bodied Spirit Light Illumining the ten directions; Multi-bodied Spirit Taming and Subduing with an Ocean-like Sound; Multi-bodied Spirit Cowl Adorned with Pure Flowers; Multi-bodied Spirit Limitless Aspects of Awesome Comportment; Multi-bodied Spirit Supreme Light Adornment; Multi-bodied Spirit Pure Light and Clouds of Fragrance; Multi-bodied Spirit Protecting and Gathering In; Multi-bodied Spirit Universally Manifesting to Gather In; and Multi-bodied Spirit Unmoving Radiance. These and others acted as leaders, and they were as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. In the past, they all had fulfilled great vows to make offerings to and attend upon each and every Buddha.

Moreover, there were Spirits of Foot Travel as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. Specifically, they were: Spirit of Foot Travel Jeweled Seal Hand; Spirit of Foot Travel Lotus Light; Spirit of Foot Travel Pure Floral Cowl; Spirit of Foot Travel Good Looks Gathering in All; Spirit of Foot Travel Star Banner of Wondrous Jewels; Spirit of Foot Travel Gladly Emitting Wondrous Sounds; Spirit of Foot Travel Radiant Candana Tree; Spirit of Foot Travel Lotus Brilliance; Spirit of Foot Travel Subtle Radiance; and Spirit of Foot Travel Amassing Wonderful Flowers. These and others acted as leaders, and they were as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. All of them had drawn near to the Thus Come Ones and faithfully followed them during limitless eons in the past.

Moreover, there were Bodhimanda Spirits as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. Specifically, they were: Bodhimanda Spirit Banner of Pure Adornment; Bodhimanda Spirit Sumeru Jeweled Brilliance; Bodhimanda Spirit Thunderclap and Banner-like Characteristics; Bodhimanda Spirit Raining Down Flowers Wondrous Eyes; Bodhimanda Spirit Flower Garlands Bright Cowl; Bodhimanda Spirit Raining Down Jeweled Ornaments; Bodhimanda Spirit Heroic Fragrance and Vision; Bodhimanda Spirit Vajra-Colored Cloud; Bodhimanda Spirit Lotus Flower Brilliance; and Bodhimanda Spirit Dazzling Wondrous Light. These and others acted as leaders, and they were as numerous as motes of dust in Buddhaworlds. In the past, they all had met limitlessly many Buddhas and had fulfilled their vows to make vast offerings to them.

Moreover, there were City-ruling Spirits as numerous as motes of dust in all Buddhaworlds. Specifically, they were: City-ruling Spirit Jeweled Peak Illumination; City-ruling Spirit Wondrously Adorning Palaces; City-ruling Spirit Pure Jewels of Joy; City-ruling Spirit Pure and Free from Worry; City-ruling Spirit Flower Lamps and Blazing Eyes; City-ruling Spirit Clear Manifestation of Blazing Banners; City-ruling Spirit Flourishing Blessings Brightness; City-ruling Spirit Pure Radiance; City-ruling Spirit Fragrant Cowl Adornment; and City-ruling Spirit Wondrous Jeweled Light. These and others acted as leaders, and they were as numerous as motes of dust in all Buddhaworlds. They all had adorned and purified the palaces in which the Thus Come Ones dwelt throughout limitlessly and inconceivably many eons.

Moreover, there were Earth-ruling Spirits as numerous as motes of dust in all Buddhaworlds. Specifically, they were: Earth-ruling Spirit Pure Flower of Universal Virtue; Earth-ruling Spirit Solid Blessings and Adornment; Earth-ruling Spirit Wondrous Flowers Ornamenting Trees; Earth-ruling Spirit Universally Scattering the Myriad Gems; Earth-ruling Spirit Pure Eyes Contemplating Time; Earth-ruling Spirit Wondrous Forms and Supreme Eyes; Earth-ruling Spirit Fragrant Shining Hairs; Earth-ruling Spirit Delightful Sounds; Earth-ruling Spirit Topknot of Exquisite Flowers; and Earth-ruling Spirit Body Adorned with Vajra. These and others acted as leaders, and they were as numerous as motes of dust in all Buddhaworlds. They had all made deep, impressive vows to always draw near all Buddhas in order to cultivate blessings through their deeds.
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This is just a small fragment (of the first page of Avatamsaka - The Wondrous Adornments of the Rulers of the Worlds) of the whole thing, it goes like that for a pretty long time.

Or let's see this one

A Bodhisattva who enters the Dharma Realm in this way manifests a body that takes on various forms—boundless forms, infinite forms, pure forms, adorned forms, all-pervasive forms, incomparable forms, all-illumining forms, enhanced forms, harmonious forms, forms replete with various features, forms removed from all vice, forms of awesome impact, honorable forms, inexhaustible forms, forms of intermingling wonders, extremely stately forms, incalculable forms, well-guarded forms, forms capable of maturation, forms that adapt and transform, unobstructed forms, thoroughly lucid forms, unsullied forms, extremely translucent forms, forms of courageous might, forms of inconceivable expedience, incorruptible forms, flawless forms, unclouded forms, well-settled forms, magnificently ornamented forms, forms with various stately features, various forms of subsidiary fine characteristics, forms of dignified nobility, forms of marvelous states, well-polished and glistening forms, forms of a pure and profound mind, forms of blazing luster, forms of supreme grandeur, uninterrupted forms, independent forms, matchless forms, forms filling inexpressibly many Buddhalands, increasing forms, steadfast and receptive forms, forms of supreme virtue, forms complying with the heart’s joy, forms of pure understanding, forms of collected wonders, forms of adroit determination, unimpeded forms, forms of spacious clarity, delightfully pure forms, forms apart from defilement, immeasurable forms, forms wondrous to behold, forms pervasively seen, forms appearing according to the time, tranquil forms, forms that abandon greed, forms of true fields of blessings, forms capable of creating peace, forms removed from fear, forms apart from foolish actions, forms of wisdom and courage, forms of unhampered physical characteristics, forms traveling everywhere, forms with minds relying on nothing, forms created by great kindness, forms manifested by great compassion, forms of impartial transcendence, forms replete with blessings and virtues, forms according to the thoughts in the mind, forms of boundless splendid jewels, forms of brilliance from treasure troves, forms inspiring faith and delight in sentient beings, forms in which all wisdom appears, forms with happy eyes, forms foremost in the ornamentation of jewels forms without location, forms that manifest at will, forms of various spiritual powers, forms of those born in the family of Tathagatas, forms that surpass all analogies, forms pervading the Dharma Realm, forms of those to whom the masses flock seeking instruction, various forms, accomplished forms, forms of transcendence, forms of awesome deportment appropriate to those he teaches, forms that others never tire of seeing, various forms of luminous purity, forms that emanate countless webs of light, forms of an untold variety of radiance, forms with inconceivable fragrances and light beyond the three realms, forms of solar orbs that shine with infinite brightness, forms that reveal incomparable lunar orbs, forms of immeasurable delightful flower-shaped clouds, adorned forms that produce various clouds of lotus garlands, forms of fragrant flames beyond all worlds perfuming everywhere, forms that generate all Tathagatas’ Treasury, forms with indescribable voices that fluently reveal and explain all dharmas, forms that fulfill all the practices of Universal Worthy.​
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With the wisdom-based spiritual power of knowing all dharmas, a Bodhisattva Mahasattva knows that all dharmas are nameless, without a seed-nature, without coming or going, neither different nor similar, neither diverse nor lacking diversity, neither dual nor nondual, without self-existence, incomparable, neither arising nor ceasing, neither in motion nor destructible, neither solid nor void, neither of one characteristic nor without characteristics, neither nonexistent nor existent, neither dharma nor nondharma, neither compliant with worldly conventions nor not compliant with worldly conventions, neither karma nor not karma, neither retribution nor an absence of retribution, neither conditioned nor unconditioned, neither truth in the primary sense nor not truth in the primary sense, neither the Path nor not the Path, neither transcending nor nontranscending, neither quantifiable nor nonquantifiable, neither of this world nor world-transcendent, neither arising from causes nor not arising from causes, neither determinate nor indeterminate, neither realized nor unrealized, neither emergent nor nonemergent, neither differentiated nor undifferentiated, neither reasonable nor unreasonable.
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Same sutra but the Ten Spiritual Powers chapter. Guess we will can now even this a cringe, suggverse, hybrid mage shit writing, an actual scripture going by your words since the author only took a small part of the actual sutra and used while the real one is "even more grand". I, unlike you, have tried to read the novel Sage Monarch (same verse, same author) and after 100+ chapters I dropped as it wasn't my taste and also 100+ chapters from Eternal Life (which was interesting) and also tried a bit over 50 from Emperor of the Cosmos (both from the same author and share the verse) which I stopped reading as it didn't have a translation which means that unlike you I hold more rights to call a novel shit, or bad since I actually read a part of it but even then its all my perspective (after actual reading), and that's why I don't do it.

Why does the novel have such a high power scale? Its in the genre of Xianxia, Xuanhuan which is a power fantasy that uses either modern concepts, old mythologies, or a mix of the two or more such things. It's an intrinsic characteristic of them like how shonen anime are a group of series that have relevant fighting, action, friendship, etc but mostly focus on fighting. If X want to index such a series, its their free will to do so as long as they respect the rules of the website which allows it as its not a fanfiction, and doesn't use different forms, characters or elements from specific series (like Blue and White since it was mentioned above), the author didn't add it himself, it wasn't made for battleboarding, etc. At the time of writting this series the author already had 10 years of experience and it wasn't his first rodeo.
I hope to rediscover my passion and express my ideas through my new book. Without saying too much, having written for ten years, I've experienced a lot - the good, the bad, the sweet, and the bitter. I've encountered all sorts of people, some kind and some evil, some helpful and some harmful. Some have offered a helping hand while others have kicked me when I was down. Some have stood by me through thick and thin, while others have watched from a distance. Many friends have come and gone, and only a few remain. Even the book enthusiasts who were with me in the past have scattered to the winds. Such is life - how many people can we truly count on for a decade? As time passes, we begin to realize that many things we once thought were important no longer hold the same weight. As the Orchid Pavilion Preface suggests, things we used to love have become mere relics of the past. After ten years of reflection, perhaps the flavor of my new book has changed, and I welcome you to read it and enjoy it at your leisure. Praise or criticism, both are welcome, for they are friends, visitors, and fate. Fate brings people together and also tears them apart. If you find my book good, please come and stay, but if you don't, please leave. My thoughts are ever-changing and unpredictable, so go with the flow.
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The author himself, after finishing this book.

@Antvasima More or less the same thing I've said to Phoenks, you're not helpful at all in this thread and only are derailing it. You bring no contribution to this as you're not reading the actual statements from the novel, not trying to help with the scaling like other users have done (ex. Elizhaa, mentioning him since I know you are favoring staff members), and are only showing not your so subtle hate for CCP, guess Chinese in general (which actual users are on this thread...), which simply only shows you as a racist (which I'm more or less thinking you are at this point after all your interaction with the Chinese web novels threads and even outside of them when you rant about it). I, also didn't help with the thread be it scaling, evaluating, and verifying whatever point but at least I don't comment like you at any occasion I get the chance about China doing that, China did this, if you have an opinion about a group, a race, a nation, etc just keep it for yourself, your group of friends and don't let it outside of these spheres of influence as tons of people are doing it already because it doesn't help anyone but paint them with different negative characteristics (such as yourself at this point as racist)...Just stay out of it if you have nothing constructive to say about the actual series. I'm more disappointed in you than in anyone else in this thread as you expect others to be neutral while you're not.

Last note, the thread was evaluated, and accepted by different members of the website be it normal users, or staff members, the CRT has been on for a long time and no one else commented but bumping in the hope that somehow Ultima will comment again (which he didn't and didn't participate for a long time). If you or anyone else have something against the tier, then make actual arguments using the text from the novel to base your arguments or actually construct them to be about the tier and not about its writing, plot, author, notability, etc. Close the thread, apply what has been evaluated and accepted and if you have problems then create a new thread with good arguments and counters. I will not participate in the scaling, and evaluating and continue to go on like I've done till now as I've posted sincerely because of this thread page is a pure derailment and because of nothing but a bad perspective on the Chinese novels from members who I would have expected more restrain when they basically know almost nothing to nothing about them and simple rant without a clue. Guess I will do a Bambu and simply continue to ignore these opinions (as I've done till now) and continue with my day while being less active.
 
I still don't see how the ocean is 1b. I don't think the author is being literal about every drop of water is a universe.

从远处看上去，这尊巨头的身躯周围，全部是海洋波涛，这海洋波涛中的每一滴水珠，都是一个宇宙，其中更有无数的生灵，这些生灵都有自己的想法，逐渐形成了很多信仰和世界观，这些都是真实的生灵. From a distance, it looks like this giant's body is surrounded by ocean waves, and every drop of water in these ocean waves is a universe, in which there are even countless living beings, all of which have their own ideas and gradually form many beliefs and worldviews, which are all real living beings.
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Isn't it more like a way to describe how small all the universes look rather then them actually being drops of water? As 看上去 is normally used for what it looks like rather than what it actually is.

Also in chapter 1036 the author already used the the same comparison with the 'water droplet':


It can be seen that the earthly realm is now an ocean of universes, and each universe is just a drop of water in the ocean relative to the earthly realm. 可以看得出来，现在人间界就是一片宇宙的海洋，每个宇宙相对于人间界来说，就是海洋中的一滴水而已。
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I still don't see how the ocean is 1b. I don't think the author is being literal about every drop of water is a universe.



Isn't it more like a way to describe how small all the universes look rather then them actually being drops of water? As 看上去 is normally used for what it looks like rather than what it actually is. Also in chapter 1036 the Author does the same thing:
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If they were literally drops of water, then there wouldn't be any grounds to use them in this CRT. It is simply that each drop was a bubble like hence its description (看上去 almost ocean like). I am not sure what your point is with the second quote, which is describing the array of universes of the Mortal Realm which has been accepted as 2-A.
 
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If they were literally drops of water, then there wouldn't be any grounds to use them in this CRT. It is simply that each drop was a bubble like hence its description (看上去 almost ocean like). I am not sure what your point is with the second quote, which is describing the array of universes of the Mortal Realm which has been accepted as 2-A.
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I think the claim is that they're literal drops of water, with each drop containing a universe. As in the original post it says:

it is containing something infinite in scope within a finite object (a drop of water in this case)
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But it's not actually a drop of water, it's just how the author describes how small the universes look. That's the reason for my second quote, to show he's used the comparison before and wasn't literal.

If it's not literal I don't get how it's a 1b structure. The whole things relies on this bit:

Every drop of water in this ocean is a universe, and there is a universe inside the universe, one loop after another.
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But if the 'drop of water' bit is just a metaphorical comparison. Then it's just universes containing universes instead of universes containing finite universes the size of water droplets.
 
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I still don't see how the ocean is 1b. I don't think the author is
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Well bruh... even if it literal, still not 1B structure. Because with the feats, just cosmic sea that dwarf the universe to the size of drop of water
The universe inside universe not dwarf, so we can say the universe is can be equal or not qualitative bigger/make infinitesimall to the universe that contained inside it, make it cannot be a higher structure
Ha ha ha ha......" The giant who created the cosmic ocean laughed: "Without the limitation of lifespan and the control of the virtual panel, I can express my power endlessly, and finally I have completed my own thoughts. I created my own cosmic sea. Every drop of water in this ocean is a universe, and there is a universe inside the universe, one loop after another. I think the universe has no secrets for me now. My power can be improved endlessly because the power of my mind is infinite, and in the universes I created, the power of every creature is also infinite. Many infinities plus infinities, and the power is indescribable“ Chapter 1147
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I think the claim is that they're literal drops of water, with each drop containing a universe. As in the original post it says:
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You've misunderstood, if they were literal drops of water then any claim of space-time is debunk. So you should stop saying they're literal drops of water. The claim is regarding the description of the structure.
Idkoke said:
But it's not actually a drop of water, it's just how the author describes how small the universes look. That's the reason for my second quote, to show he's used the comparison before and wasn't literal.

If it's not literal I don't get how it's a 1b structure. The whole things relies on this bit:

But if the 'drop of water' bit is just a metaphorical comparison. Then it's just universes containing universes instead of universes containing finite universes the size of water droplets.
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What is true is the structure description, metaphorical or not. Also you used the mortal verse as an argument for this, despite the fact that it is 2-A and larger than 2-A later in the novel.

You can say an array of bubble like things are like drops of water and the vast quantity of said things being an ocean. You're saying they aren't literally an ocean or drops of water...I hope you realise this.
 
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You've misunderstood, if they were literal drops of water then any claim of space-time is debunk. So you should stop saying they're literal drops of water. The claim is regarding the description of the structure.
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This is from the description on the discord that they sent Ultima:

they are contained in either flowers or drops of water, with the worlds inside those flowers/drops of water also still containing worlds within flowers of droplets of water, repeat forever
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The claim is the universe is contained in literal drops of water. If it was, it would be something infinite in scope contained in a finite object.

Also you used the mortal verse as an argument for this, despite the fact that it is 2-A and larger than 2-A later in the novel.
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It doesn't matter what the size of the mortal verse is. I wasn't commenting on that, just showing that the author uses 'drops of water' as a metaphor multiple times.

What is true is the structure description, metaphorical or not.
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How? If universes were contained in water droplets (yes they are claiming that), then it would be a infinite contained in finite. But if it's a metaphor then we don't know what the size difference is between each layer. Just that the next layer makes the current look like the size of water droplet.
 
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I think the claim is that they're literal drops of water, with each drop containing a universe. As in the original post it says:



But it's not actually a drop of water, it's just how the author describes small universes. That's the reason for my second quote, to show he's used the comparison before and wasn't literal.

If it's not literal I don't get how it's a 1b structure. The whole things relies on this bit:


But if the 'drop of water' bit is just a metaphorical comparison. Then it's just universes containing universes instead of universes containing finite universes the size of water droplets.
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For infinitely loop and finite objects.
This is not the first time the author has used that, it simply has a more vague description in Dragon Talisman. Sage Monarch and Eternal Life are the most obvious examples (Godmyth moment)

“时光之沙，融入我身，一神国在一沙中，神国之中又沙，世世代代无穷尽，摩诃方能称无量。”
方寒张口一吸，这些时光之沙全部都吸入了他的身躯中，迅速的变化，众人这个时候都看到了他的每一枚晶体神国都镇压了一枚时光之沙，有多少粒时光之沙就有多少个神国。
"The sands of time melt into me. One kingdom of God is in one sand, and there are sands in the kingdom of God. The generations are endless, and Maha can be called infinite."
Fang Han opened his mouth and inhaled, all these sands of time were sucked into his body, and the changes were rapid. At this time, everyone saw that every one of his crystals, the Kingdom of God suppressed a sand of time, how many grains of time were there? There are as many god kingdoms as sand.

眼前又显现出来了一座大阵，是许多圆圈组合在一起的，这些圆环每一个，都是一个环中缩影，环中世界，一环套一环，看似没有什么威力，但是高手就可以感知出来，这座大阵比以前的任何一座大阵都要难缠。
Another large formation appeared in front of my eyes, which was composed of many circles. Each of these rings is a microcosm of a ring, a world in a ring, and a ring within a ring. It seems that it has no power, but a master can do it, this large formation is more difficult than any previous large formation.
 
Idkoke said:
This is from the description on the discord that they sent Ultima:



The claim is the universe is contained in literal drops of water. If it was, it would be something infinite in scope contained in a finite object.



It doesn't matter what the size of the mortal verse is. I wasn't commenting on that, just showing that the author uses 'drops of water' as a metaphor multiple times.


How? If universes were contained in water droplets (yes they are claiming that), then it would be a infinite contained in finite. But if it's a metaphor then we don't know what the size difference is between each layer is. Just that the next layer makes the current look like the size of water a droplet.
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If hierarchal layers of dimensions stacking up-to 9D were described to have a pancake like structure...because it isn't literally pancakes, would that mean 9D is debunk?

You keep using the world 'literally' loosely and you've actually admitted to it being a description of said structure rather than it being literal (metaphorical). If it were literal, then we would have drops of water, rather than space-times.

Why you simply cannot understand this is unknown, but I really do hope your next post has more thought put into it.
 
Antvasima said:
I would personally much prefer to forbid all of them from being featured in our wiki, to not have it completely spammed by power-mad psychopathic drivel writing (cough SCP cough).
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Do you know what a psychopath is? Do you know what someone exuding psychopathic qualities looks like? Based off this and some of your past comments, I kind of doubt it. Please keep your personal biases out of this.
 
Zaratthustra said:
Last note, the thread was evaluated, and accepted by different members of the website be it normal users, or staff members, the CRT has been on for a long time and no one else commented but bumping in the hope that somehow Ultima will comment again (which he didn't and didn't participate for a long time). If you or anyone else have something against the tier, then make actual arguments using the text from the novel to base your arguments or actually construct them to be about the tier and not about its writing, plot, author, notability, etc. Close the thread, apply what has been evaluated and accepted and if you have problems then create a new thread with good arguments and counters.
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So now I can apply this revision to the profile right?
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
Only 1 staff agreed while another is neutral. So unfortunately no. There needs to be 2 more vote from staff
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This has been accepted as High-1B by Elizha in the previous thread (and Ultima on discord). For those who don't understand logic here:

Isn’t Ultima a staff? does additional staff vote matter if the 2 Staffs that shall not be named can’t refute any further as to why it shouldn’t be accepted?

there’s 2 staffs that are pretty knowledgeable that also SUPPORT the Tiering while no others can refute it, Isn’t it okay?
 
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