Again your misunderstanding what I was saying. OP points are that the Time Machine changes the past through going to the past.
Technically yes - but Cell was never planned to be an initial part of the story. At the same when those chapters came out, the one who had changed the past first was Trunks coming back and killing Frieza/Cold.
No, they don't. Why would you think this?
That doesn’t really matter though he’s still a part of the story regardless.
Who said I think this it’s the OP point?
No? I didn't said that? Changing history makes the timeline branch into others, it never changes the futureit create ananother
Trunks says this in relation to the "minor action" of him saving Goku's life with the medicine, the entire context of the coversation was how he created a new timeline with his minor actions, that is even more proeminent in the original japanese, which @Nullflowerblush showed a few pages back
Then how the hell would they know what pertains to the situation?
I dont care, im not OP.
Im seeing the literal opposite.
The narrative, is literally that only a handful exist.
I dont care? Im not him.
Beerus was in the past dog.
You literally just contradicted himself, it was made by Trunks' actions, in the PAST. When he goes to said to timeline, he's still going to the past because said timeline is in the past, just not his anymore.
They say "all", and then Zamasu too. I kindly ask you to actually SHOW where they limit and specify this. Especially when, how the hell would they know which ring is relevant?
They were shocked, twice, two different dudes by the way, simply because a new one formed. At all.
Nobody even proved that room is full of them to begin with.
Worst of all is that the room is implied to be only a place Gowasu thought was safe to guard them and nothing else, he shows the 1 box with 5 rings and says "they are all here" even
3 for 3?
The entire scene is Whis explaining changes to the past alter the future. This is how it works to time rings as they allow you to travel freely throughout your own time. Whis assumed the Time Machine worked on the same principle.
Saving Goku’s life is not a minor thing. Whis even gives an example when he says picking a flower can cause drastic changes in history. On top of the fact that the conversation in question doesn’t even take cells changes to history in question where he just sat around and slept for 4 years.
Yes
Yes, which in turn creates another timeline with said future, that was the point of his explanation
SAving 1 man out of billions is pretty minor, he ism't special for the timeline any more than a random flower
Again irrelevant point is Beerus actions had nothing to do with time travel. If so no splits in time would happen.
Then why you arguing for him?
Beerus erased Zamasu new timeline it’s pretty simple.
Again wrong the Narrative states the exact opposite.
He’s in a whole other reality Beerus is dead in the past of trunks timeline a matter a fact.
That’s going to a completely different reality all together it’s not a contradiction you’re trying to make this more complicated than it actually is
Main timeline future trunks timeline and the Zamasu timeline. Fro their perspective that’s the only timerings that should exist.
They were shocked that a green one was formed not at the existence of the time rings itself.
It’s based of the contradiction in the argument being presented period what the crt is proposing is narratively impossible.
Ignoring the fact that many gods state Time branches off from the smallest things like a flower being plucked. The implication is clear they have time rings in a room full of identical boxes the context clues are clear.!
Considering that one man is one of the few strong enough to stop literal Armageddon i wou of say it’s the opposite of minor.
It doesn’t change the fact that the crt is literally im opposition with the story itself.
Goku is not Superman, he is not a cosmic linchpin in the grand scheme of the universe.
The very fact they happen in the past, as a consequence of a mf time traveling.
Im not? Wtf?
Exactly. Youre ignoring all the context around it though.
Dude, you realize that's the point of contention right?
Yes, except, Trunks' timeline is a whole like 17y ahead. Beerus' timeline, is in the past still. Of which the very fact he killed them was due to a future mf warning him.
My dude.
And yet youre arguing there's a room with a fucktillion in them that Zamasu 100% would know exists.
Yeah, shocked a brand new one formed.
Dude, youre quoting actual unreliable yappers, ignoring hard statements, and visual proof, and arguing that's the narrative. Nuh uh.
Scan? Is that recent? From a reliable source? Does that one line override the like 13 contradictions? Etc.
And yet bro says that's all of them, like 3 times, including times they wouldnt be arbitrarily limiting themselves to a select few because why the hell would they? They dont even know what theyre looking for?
I mean we're (mostly OP and Chariot) pretty much saying the same with you so this would just be going in circles.
Why would the armaggedom of making for the greater timeline at all? None of the other arenaffected, heck, not even the rest of the universe is, Earth and Humanking in DB are NOTHING EVER IMPLIED TO BE IMPORTANT to the greater timeline, likewise their extinction also wouldn't be
It isn't at all, weater or not you want to admit it, Beerus created the timeline by altering history, that is a fact, going back and forth won't change that
Eh, DBS' weird cosmology doesn't really change anything really, purely astetic
A timeline dragonball is Low 1-C due this accepted blog. Which is one of the primary reasons why Zeno is Low 1-C
WHich uses elements from both Toei anime and main cannon mixed to prove its points, which would now be separated
So this thread is trying to downgrade Low 1-C scale as well? Correct me if I'm wrong
Maybe we should have another thread discussing how we could rework that Zeno blog, cause in all fairness that ain't the only thing keeping him in that tier
Exactly no, ROSAT is mentioned in the manga as a place with a different time dimension, this proves that space-time with their own time dimensions already exist in the series from before, even if you want to eliminate the time room that belongs to Toei's anime, Dragon Ball Super manga itself shows you that universal destruction is irrelevant to the greater timeline, in addition to the rest of the arguments @ProfectusInfinity presented on his blog.
Eeeehhh, not directly, some people said that it would still be Low 1-C even with the separation, but since most of the arguments there that made it accepted would not be valid anymore due to the split, the blog would need to be remade to account for that
The heaven scan was discarded because it mentions anime original here there is no mention of such thus it can be safely said that it is useful for both continuties
Which is fine and all.........still would need the blog to re estructure to take the separation into account to have it accepted again since 80% of the blog talks about the time room and uses it as the argument, not the ROSAT
Not arguing against, but this was true before Low 1-C as well
We would need a translator to translate the entire text of that section to be sure
This is literally straight from profectus blog the scans are already accepted and the translation is checked
2 of your links are litterally untranslated text
Dude the translation is given below each raw only the Spanish one isn't translated
The time room only exemplifies that there is not a single time axis around the multiverse, that's why I said that without the need for that, DBS manga already shows that destroying a universe doesn’t affect the greater timeline. If the cosmology is uncomposited, the low 1-C scale would continue to be, since the main argument is not the time room, the manga sustains that scale by itself..
