Yeah... if Zamasu says that there are five timelines (or at least supposed to be just five timelines at that point) then that proves that new timelines aren't being created all the time from chance and choices.
It should since it created a time paradox/changes history, which creates other timelines, being his action really doesn't matter for the fact that it was the indirect result of Trunks changing history, thus changing Beerus' action and then creating another timeline, if it was due to MWI creating via actions regardless of time travel then every moment billions of time rings should be created in every passing moment, yet Whis talks about Beerus' time ring creation as the same kind of deal as Trunks' with his time travel
Nope, it was because of time travel changing actions, that is what creates new timelines, the changing of actions, we are told as much in supplementary material, Whis and himself even treat thag as the same transgration as Trunks' time travel creating it
time ringa are created when a parallel world is, that is what is said, also your example of Beerus, which you say is part of MWI, created a time ring, which according to you it sholdn't happen?
Actually they were comoosited because of being in the same multiverse, i was there when it happened
Not what I said. I said parallel worlds,not Time Rings. Don't put words into my mouth. In fact, Null's explanation about Hakai affecting space-time is much more consistent, if we're going down that route.
By your logic, if Trunks was indeed the cause of it, that means the world where Zamasu didn't get erased (the one created by Beerus) already existed. It would've made sense if it was talking about Goku Black's original timeline,but it isn't.
Time paradoxes aren't a thing in MWI-ish multiverses. Pretty much any branching multiverse theory is literally the antithesis of time paradoxes, with MWI being the textbook example.
I would rather leave evaluating this discussion to staff members who are more knowledgeable about this topic.
people, how many times do i have to say to make anothet if you want to try and make thos accepted? Luffy tried that already and it was rejected, that is not used currently to justify the share
If it's related to the content at hand, which it is, to an extent, it's fine to be discussed.
More parallel worlds = more time rings, that is the very basis of how they are created
It being a time paradox's fault is in line with what is said in the series tho
not really, it would only have been once the paradox happened
.......i never affirmed they aren't? Just that this is not what you were arguing Beerus' ring creation was
According to Omega personal problems
Not when it was already rejected recently
I asked for it due to personal reasons, some of my friends wanted to comment on it
Omega asked for it to moved here.
It's effectively not a time paradox. What Beerus did is cause and effect. His action (erasing Zamasu) led to another (parallel world). You keep saying it's due to Trunks when it's effectively Beerus who ended up splitting it. It's directly stated by Whis, and no matter how you twist it, it was due to him EE'ing Zamasu. So either Hakai can affect space-time (stated by Beerus even if we don't accept it) or actions do influence the multiverse.
It's the same because...He created another timeline? That's literally the point. Beerus kept waffling about Trunks time traveling's side effects for the whole arc only for him to end up doing the same. Whis even mocks him for that before telling him.
yes, because originally he didn't erased Zamsu, making him become Goku Black, but since he erased him, he couldn't become Goku Black, creating a paradox that created another timeline, again, because of trunks chaging things with time travel
WHich he only did due to Trunks changing history, changing Beerus' actions, leading him to erase Zamasu, no matter you twist it, it was because of Trunks, even if indirectly
And you forget how Whis treats it as the same as when Trunks changed history, which is the same here, originally Zamasu bacame Black, then Trunks' changed history, leading Beerus to erase zamasu, and as history was changed a new timeline was created
Which according to you would happen with every action, which would make its creation nothing special, yet it is still treated as the same transgression as what trunks did, which it is since it is the same alteration of history that made another timeline exist
So you agree that it was because of a time travel side effect? Thus why whis mocks beerus for doing the same as trunks?
That doesn’t make sense because Beerus is not time traveling. He went to universe 10 to erase Zamasu I’m the present and that just created a timeline without him. It doesn’t help his point at all.
Which was due to history being changed due to that, so it does help, if all possibilities become other timelines, and by proxy also time rings, then why 1 being created would be surprising and why would only 5 rings be said to exist?That doesn’t make sense because Beerus is not time traveling. He went to universe 10 to erase Zamasu I’m the present and that just created a timeline without him. It doesn’t help his point at all.
It confirms a negligible amount of timelines in no less than 3 ways. And if it proves that, it by indirect consequence, proves a fucktillion arent formed moment to moment, and that they are rarely, if ever, created. Which, is the important part imo.That doesn’t make sense because Beerus is not time traveling. He went to universe 10 to erase Zamasu I’m the present and that just created a timeline without him. It doesn’t help his point at all.
That’s pure headcanon. OP said one thing the source material says otherwise. The main point that’s being made is that new timelines are only created by time travel and that it has nothing to do with character’s actions. If you acknowledge that Beerus a character who never once time traveled in the entire series did just that. Then it’s a big hole in the OP argument.
Based on what? We can’t pick and choose when to acknowledge the canon.
Would Beerus have killed Zamasu if Trunks hadn't travelled back in time?
Literally all that matters, is how many there are, if there's only a handful, a fact that's flatout stated like 3-4 times now, then it by direct association confirms a bunch arent being made constantly.
Based on that? The fact it's the past? And the fact it already involves time travel?
Wouldn’t matter Trunks didn’t travel back in time. The Time Machine sent him to another timeline. It’s not time travel because they’re not moving throughout their own timeline they’re moving between each others.
Bro, the android saga didnt not happen. It's an alternate timeline by direct result of time travel that had already happened...Wouldn’t matter Trunks didn’t travel back in time. The Time Machine sent him to another timeline. It’s not time travel because they’re not moving throughout their own timeline they’re moving between each others.
A bunch pertaining to their situation are not being made. But it’s not addressing the point 1. OP was wrong about timelines only being created through time travel, and 2. That Trunks is traveling through Parallel Worlds not throughout his own. There is not time travel nonsense going on. It’s just Trunks going to another timelines to warn the Z fighters.
It doesn’t though that’s the main point.
It only became another timeline after Trunks went back and changed things by killing Frieza & Cold.
not really since Beerus was because of time travel, when history changes, another timeline is created, therefore when Beerus changed history by making Zamasu not become Goku Black, another timeline came forth, no different than when trunks created another timeline, as he says so himself his travel was the thing that created it
Nope, the entire point of the black arc is that trunks created those by changing history with his time travels, that is the whole beef Zamasu has with him even
It did trunks came to another reality to warn the Z fighters. And there’s blatant plot points that can’t happen if we assume Trumks is from the same timeline. Like the fact that every Z warrior not named Trunks is either dead or was never born.
He was from the same timeline, he went back in time and another one was crested due to him changing history, that is said in both suplementary material, the manga and in the show itself
That’s just blatantly untrue, matter a fact OP points blatantly work agains this when the scan states trunks know he wasn’t charging the future by alternating the past.
Bro, where is this even coming from? Im seeing multiple scans saying that that's ALL of them. They dont specify, they dont limit it, and why would they? They dont know which pertains to what to begin with, half the problem is they dont know whats going on in both cases, both the main cast, and later Zamasu.
None of this matters, im not here to argue if every point is 100% solid, all i care about is the point im arguing.
A timeline, that is set in the past, by product of his time travel.
I didn't say he was changing his own future.
Okay. I will unfollow this thread then.
He went to the past, changed it, and it branched off into a new timeline.
Because he changed it, creating a new one with a new future?
Because it became a separate timeline after the fact?
Them knowing of Zamasu existence is irrelevant though. It’s not even what the OP was arguing about. He’s saying timelines only come about new through alternating history. Beerus clearly kills this assumption right off the bat. It’s that simple.
It’s not if it has a glaring contradiction with the narrative.
Again no just because you’re chronologically in the past in a completely unrelated timeline is not time travel in the way the poster is supposing. They’re saying Time is only meant to flow in one direction so when you go to the past it changes the future. This can’t happen if so there would not be a new time ring creating through Beerus actions.
Wouldn’t it be when Cell arrived 3 years before even that, burrowing and developing within the ground? Just curious.
