Dragon Ball Z (Toei) Upgrade Part 3 - The Meta, Shifting

[TheGodOfICE777]

The Final Trilogy of The Recent DBZ Toei Upgrades most likely, before the final scaling chain blog gets created.

This calc using the new afterlife size got accepted so new upgrade

Thats it pretty minor stuff

(Sadly I couldn’t get the timeframe lowered)

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I agree.

 

[TiltedFN]

Looks good, agree.

 

[BoastJr]

looks fine ig

I agree

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I agree

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Nice this was finally done

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That is good

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Looks solid, i agree.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Agree, we should also make a new blog with these speed ratings

 

[Ednaxel2]

Also I feel like this should be addressed, does SSJ2's multiplier of 500x also apply to speed

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Also I feel like this should be addressed, does SSJ2's multiplier of 500x also apply to speed

No, considering how the thing it comes from actually slows you down in exchange for strength so it's just 500x strength/50x speed I'm pretty sure.

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

is someone going to make a speed blog or should I add it to mine?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Also I feel like this should be addressed, does SSJ2's multiplier of 500x also apply to speed

it was said to going to be discussed but never was, i agree with op btw

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Agree, we should also make a new blog with these speed ratings

It’s being done but this crt is just for accepting the speed Calc

No, considering how the thing it comes from actually slows you down in exchange for strength so it's just 500x strength/50x speed I'm pretty sure.

It’d be a 10x boost Grade only reason Grade 3 decrease speed is because of the muscles SSJ2 doesn’t have that issue and we know it s a boost in speed so the speed would be proportional to the ki increase hence the note on the page

is someone going to make a speed blog or should I add it to mine?

bruh I told you I’d make a newer version of Vizer’s blog in Zamasu’s server

 

[Ednaxel2]

It’s being done but this crt is just for accepting the speed Calc

Alright

 

[Ednaxel2]

But I have to ask, should Gogeta from fusion reborn scale to only Janemba or also scale on par with Buu Saga Vegito? Via the jump issue claiming they're comparable

 

[Ednaxel2]

We should also probably upgrade the speed ratings for the dbs anime and manga with the ssj2 multiplier

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

We should also probably upgrade the speed ratings for the dbs anime and manga with the ssj2 multiplier

Planning on that I’ve been working on a Z anime scaling chain for speed and power and a Super scaling chain for speed and power

also can someone call staff to to get this crt accepted?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Planning on that I’ve been working on a Z anime scaling chain for speed and power and a Super scaling chain for speed and power

also can someone call staff to to get this crt accepted?

We can call staff just by @ them right?

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

But I have to ask, should Gogeta from fusion reborn scale to only Janemba or also scale on par with Buu Saga Vegito? Via the jump issue claiming they're comparable

speaking of this, the reasoning for Janemba being 2-C (being stronger than Hirudegarn) is based off of a scan that assumes M12 Goku = M13 Goku. we REALLY need Fusion Reborn taken out of the anime profiles

 

[Omegabronic]

speaking of this, the reasoning for Janemba being 2-C (being stronger than Hirudegarn) is based off of a scan that assumes M12 Goku = M13 Goku. we REALLY need Fusion Reborn taken out of the anime profiles

honestly........i am not 100% sure why we treat as cannon currently

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Because the GT Perfect Files reference Fusion Reborn as Gogeta's first appearance.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It’d be a 10x boost Grade only reason Grade 3 decrease speed is because of the muscles

The heightened ability of Second and Third Grade is derived from the expansion of the muscles, not from amplifying one's Ki.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Because the GT Perfect Files reference Fusion Reborn as Gogeta's first appearance.

Null, forgot to mention that there's a quote from Majin Boo in the film too, lol

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

The heightened ability of Second and Third Grade is derived from the expansion of the muscles, not from amplifying one's Ki. (Imagine that is a screencap from the anime for the time being.)

"Concentrating all of their nerves, the user sends ki throughout their entire body and swells their muscles to increase their power. Both power and speed can be increased dramatically beyond that of a Super Saiyan."

"By expanding their muscles to the maximum, the user is able to draw out tremendous power. However, this sacrifices speed, reduces mobility, and places a heavy burden on the body."

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"Concentrating all of their nerves, the user sends ki throughout their entire body and swells their muscles to increase their power. Both power and speed can be increased dramatically beyond that of a Super Saiyan."

"By expanding their muscles to the maximum, the user is able to draw out tremendous power. However, this sacrifices speed, reduces mobility, and places a heavy burden on the body."

Yes.

 

[Omegabronic]

"Concentrating all of their nerves, the user sends ki throughout their entire body and swells their muscles to increase their power. Both power and speed can be increased dramatically beyond that of a Super Saiyan."

"By expanding their muscles to the maximum, the user is able to draw out tremendous power. However, this sacrifices speed, reduces mobility, and places a heavy burden on the body."

doesn't this just proves what Null said?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

not from amplifying one's Ki

Replaced the manga scan with a clip from the TV anime.
That, and,

見かけは すげえ｡ そして パワーも｡ だがこんなに膨れ上がった筋肉じゃパワーが でかく上がってもスピードが殺されっちまうんだ｡
"[This form] looks amazing. And it has a lot of power. But with such bulging muscles, even though your power increases greatly, your speed will be killed."

Goku even asserts that the "normal Saiyan size" is more optimal, establishing that the abilities of the form are the result of bulking up.

Like, the form exists to increase power. That is the criticism shared by everybody, from Goku, to Cell, to even Trunks; hence why Goku opted to develop Grade Four Super Saiyan, foregoing an increased Power Level in exchange for a balanced, battle-capable body. Hey, is there any chance Gohan surpassed Cell in Super Saiyan?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ah I was thinking in my head that the statement could still fit with amplifying ki since they’re sending Ki all throughout their body and swelling their muscles like that, but I can see the argument for it being otherwise since you could argue that they’re just swelling up their Ki with muscles. Although, if SSJ2 doesn’t depend on that and just increases your speed and power by powering up your energy unlike grade 3 wouldn’t it be a different case to scale to speed?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Third Grade just doesn't increase speed. Its only purpose, expanding the muscles to their limits, is to draw out strength from the body, foregoing every other optimal attribute.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Third Grade just doesn't increase speed. Its only purpose, expanding the muscles to their limits, is to draw out strength from the body, foregoing every other optimal attribute.

I never said Grade 3 increased speed, I said unlike Grade 3 SSJ2 increases speed and power by amplifying it’s Ki and not its muscle mass. So, wouldn’t SSJ2 have a reason to scale to speed unlike Grade 3 (which I know decreases speed I’m not saying it increases speed).

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What would Super Saiyan 2 scale to, then?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

What would Super Saiyan 2 scale to, then?

Well SSJ2 has a higher multiplier than Grade 3, but unlike Grade 3 it increases speed, so wouldn’t we just scale SSJ2’s speed from its multiplier?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This rhetoric hinges on the idea that, if size was a non-factor, Third Grade Super Saiyan would multiply everything by 10x, but Third Grade only multiplies strength by 10x. Second Grade only boasted enhanced speed because the form juggled increased muscle mass and strength and balance, but Third Grade ignores that balance.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Just make a thread for the ssj2 10x speed amp bro

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

This rhetoric hinges on the idea that, if size was a non-factor, Third Grade Super Saiyan would multiply everything by 10x, but Third Grade only multiplies strength by 10x. Second Grade only boasted enhanced speed because the form juggled increased muscle mass and strength and balance, but Third Grade ignores that balance.

Yeah but I’m moreso saying that if the amp SSJ2 gives is a > 500x boost than it should also apply to speed since it would just be increasing its power by amplifying Ki. So that Grade 3 being as strong as it is due to its muscle is fine.

Just make a thread for the ssj2 10x speed amp bro

We should probably stop discussing it here since this is just to get a calc accepted, but we were just talking about the future.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump again

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Bump accepted calc just need staff approval to get this calc applied on profiles