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I just agree with demon realm removal, being stated smaller than the living world which is Observable Universe size makes it not Low2-C
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I just agree with demon realm removal, being stated smaller than the living world which is Observable Universe size makes it not Low2-C
Well, all the other realms are separated by a kind of dimensional barrier, hell is a space-time totally different from the other world, it is closed by clouds that create a kind of portal to enter hell, but it is impossible to return from there. was, it is only possible through the permission of Sir Emma, the kingdom of the Kaioshins is outside the Universe it is 1/10 the size of the living Universe and the other world, it is completely isolated from the other world and the living world, it is only possible with access to teleportation and dimensional travel there.I'm honestly unsure. I can agree with the demon realm possibly going, maybe kaioshin realm too but I'm honestly don't know enough about the macrocosm stuff.
YesIsn't it stated to be a reverse of the living universe as well as having its own quadrants? Baseline uni should be the bare minimum assumption.
It could be larger than observable, problem is that we have nothing to solidify as of now, afterlife being bigger than the observable universe is a no brainer as heaven is accepted as universe sized and still only takes up a very small portion of the afterlife s total space.So is DB living world bigger than baseline uni or not? Because I'm getting a lot of mixed reactions and DDM says it's bigger.
I think if we had the map we could calculate the size of hell and make it Universe in size, all of hell is in a ball that fills every other world underneath and equals the Universe in the mapIt could be larger than observable, problem is that we have nothing to solidify as of now, afterlife being bigger than the observable universe is a no brainer as heaven is accepted as universe sized and still only takes up a very small portion of the afterlife s total space.
It is bigger, but i don't see how that matters hereSo is DB living world bigger than baseline uni or not? Because I'm getting a lot of mixed reactions and DDM says it's bigger.
The feat is similar yes, which is why it is a 2-C feat for them, i covered why having dimensional barriers inside of them doesn't matter much in the op itselfThe dimension of the swirling lights, it directly qualifies for low 2-C, the DDM told me in some questions and in the same topic that I updated, to access it you have to distort all spacetime, there inside it is confirmed to have dimensional barriers and Gogeta and Broly were breaking them (according to DDM the feat is similar to Majin Buu's)
Again, DDM is saying that the feat that gogeta and broly made to get there is low 2-C, he is not saying that the dimension is low 2-C
exactly, it is another dimensions inside the living universeThe demonic realm, it has a translation of being a Universe in the English scan, but in the Hermes translation it is like a plane or another dimension instead of quoting Universe
but the demonic realm has very precise citations in the databook, where it is said to be the reverse side of universe 7, which with says with work already shown.
according to hermes It’s 魔界, demon world/realm. I think Viz uses “plane” to emphasize that it’s a sort of alternative dimension rather than a planet. They used it for Yu Yu Hakusho too
The world of Kaioshin has been confirmed to be a different dimension of the Universe, the link to it is on my CRT (DDM disagreed on removing the world of Kaioshin)
Ok so you agree on removing the demon realm as a universal space time thenThe right thing would be just the withdrawal from the world of demons, which is more right, that way it would be 5 separate space-times, I already explained to Omega about that, he is very insistent, anyway, that is all to report to you here.
Still waiting for the proof of hell being universal in sizeBasically the only thing that should be taken from there is just the demon world as we don't have a lot of information, the rest everything was refuted in the OP by me and others.
As i have explained in the op, no we can't, it was decided that the map is unreliable for scaling sizes here, so we can't use it to do any calculationsI think if we had the map we could calculate the size of hell and make it Universe in size
Nope, hell is another space time and as such cannot be bellow covering the bottom of the afterlife, or else it wouldn't be another space time, a space time is completely separated from the other physically and temporally, so to say that it is physically bellow the afterlife is impossible if hell is another space timeall of hell is in a ball that fills every other world underneath and equals the Universe in the map
Gt showed that it is, and Toei. A portal opens to get to it, you can't go by normal means.Hell shouldn't even be a ******* space-time. It's literally apart of the AFTERLIFE
Gt showed that it is, and Toei. A portal opens to get to it, you can't go by normal means.
It is less of a strcture and more like the very thing that makes space time, it is the fabric of it, which is what keeps the dimensions separatedI'm unsure about Dimensional Walls. Logically speaking shouldn't they be on a size comparable to the realms to be able to fully separate them? Affect such structure would indeed be at least Low 2-C feat (or 2-C feat).
About the dimension of the swirling lights, it qualifies for low 2-C, DDM has already stated that and it should continue to be, if this is accepted later I will make another CRT to update the dimensions of the swirling lights, I've already covered all arguments and why she qualifies.Agree with Hell, Swirling Lights Dimension and Demon Realm. Hell its part of the Afterlife and while its should be universal in size it was never treated to exist in a separated dimension, there is no proof of either the Demon Realm or Swirling Lights Dimension to be universal size dimensions (and 4th power needed to break into it is not necessarely proof of the dimension to be an entire universe).
I'm unsure about Dimensional Walls. Logically speaking shouldn't they be on a size comparable to the realms to be able to fully separate them? Affect such structure would indeed be at least Low 2-C feat (or 2-C feat). And for the Kaioshin Realm, i do think of all the realms mentioned its the only one with an actual argument to be universal via the 1/10 size difference compare to the macrocosmo along with Heaven's possibly be universal in size.
Overall i agree with downgrading Universe 7 back to 2-3 universal space-time continuums (Afterlife, Living World and possibly Kaioshin Realm).
Stop using the apeal to autority falacy pleaseAbout the dimension of the swirling lights, it qualifies for low 2-C, DDM has already stated that and it should continue to be
And i covered of why it doesn't, if this is accepted later I will make another CRT to update the dimensions of the swirling lights, I've already covered all arguments and why she qualifies.
Your Op didn't cover that, stop lying, Omega.Stop using the apeal to autority falacy please
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And i covered of why it doesn't
I am not lying, all the reasons you gave in your earlier thread and in this new one for the dimension of swirling lights are covered in the opYour Op didn't cover that, stop lying, Omega.
Appeal to authority doesn't really matter on VSBW since the whole site revolves around staff accepting CRTs and agreeing.Stop using the apeal to autority falacy please
Yeah, but the point is that DDM didn't gave an opinion on the matter here yet, and he keeps speaking for him and not acctually covering my points or why he disagrees, staff decides thread sure, but if you will use them then at least explain why they disagree, or better yet, contact then instead of speaking for them, if a staff disagrees with a thread or not is to be determine by the said staff in the thread, instead of just linking to another thread and saying what you think they meant, i could agree with DDM disagreeing with this crt, but only if i hear hin saying that he does instead of someone constantly showing a comment that doesn't anything related to this thread and that it was covered in the opAppeal to authority doesn't really matter on VSBW since the whole site revolves around staff accepting CRTs and agreeing.
DDM said nothing on DOSL or the demon realm yet thoAgree with ddm and luffy, demon realm, kaioshin realm, swirling lights i feel like would be the best, until we come to an agreement on hell
ddm says bits and pieces are still usable, just not snake way, so we could technically still use this to say hell is uni in sizeIt was something agreed by me, Antvasima, and AKM sama long before you ever joined the forum and while Damage opposed or at least interrogated it, he kind of got outvoted.
Actually, bits in pieces were still valid such as the Living Universe being much smaller than the Other World but what's not usable is stuff like Snake Way being 1/4th the size.
also i was agreeing with luffys evidence on DOSLDDM said nothing on DOSL or the demon realm yet tho
ddm says bits and pieces are still usable, just not snake way, so we could technically still use this to say hell is uni in size
so only the things clearly contradicted or not to scale, like snakeway
Ok thenalso i was agreeing with luffys evidence on DOSL
could we have some scans? Im intriguedYo it just crossed my mind, where could the dimension the Afterlife Tournament took place in fall within the space-time count? It's stated to be another dimension and universe both, and literally looks exactly like a universe, which seems pretty blatant.
Afaik we only ever see stars inside it making it 4-A at most.Yo it just crossed my mind, where could the dimension the Afterlife Tournament took place in fall within the space-time count? It's stated to be another dimension and universe both, and literally looks exactly like a universe, which seems pretty blatant.
Called a universe:could we have some scans? Im intrigued
Called a universe:
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第 199 話 逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波の作品紹介lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
Called a different dimension:
Herms' translation:
Daizenshuu 7: Item Dictionary • Kanzenshuu
www.kanzenshuu.com
Literal wording: 異次元 "different dimension"
Derail, take this to another thread laterYo it just crossed my mind, where could the dimension the Afterlife Tournament took place in fall within the space-time count? It's stated to be another dimension and universe both, and literally looks exactly like a universe, which seems pretty blatant.
Good brotherCalled a universe:
第 199 話 逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波 - ドラゴンボールZ - 作品ラインナップ - 東映アニメーション
第 199 話 逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波の作品紹介lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
Called a different dimension:
Herms' translation:
Daizenshuu 7: Item Dictionary • Kanzenshuu
www.kanzenshuu.com
Literal wording: 異次元 "different dimension"
Wow, and we know this place is a different dimension 100 percent because of the stars in the background which don't exist in the afterlife, and it is blatantly shown to be one, good catch dude. Afterlife, living realm, East kaio realm, kaioshin realm, DOSL, Demon realm, Hell. I accept all these, kaoishin realm will be accepted soon anyway, i agree with luffy for DOSL, demon realm is literally the opposite of the universe, we dont know what "small" means and it has the same cardinal axis as the living realm so i think its valid. Only hell could be contentious, but i can't see any other size less than universal, it could just have another cloud layer below it.Called a universe:
第 199 話 逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波 - ドラゴンボールZ - 作品ラインナップ - 東映アニメーション
第 199 話 逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波の作品紹介lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
Called a different dimension:
Herms' translation:
Daizenshuu 7: Item Dictionary • Kanzenshuu
www.kanzenshuu.com
Literal wording: 異次元 "different dimension"