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Dragon Ball universal space time number downgrade
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Goku and Pikkon entered through the path of the serpent that opens a kind of portal to hell, but from inside hell it is impossible to get out.
Every structure of hell is separated from the afterlife, through clouds (which open a portal when anyone falls on the serpent's path), this is demonstrated in DB's own map and in all weak anime
Every structure of hell is separated from the afterlife, through clouds (which open a portal when anyone falls on the serpent's path), this is demonstrated in DB's own map and in all weak anime
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Actually, it was only removed due to a Infinite size update which got over turned, so the whole "Earth being close to the edge of the Universe requires a universe far larger than the observable universe since not only is their OU bigger via better telescope technology, every planet, star, and galaxy known in our universe exists in the Dragon Ball universe and then some. Which means 46.5 lightyears is merely a spec compared to the rest of the universe.
Not really, the old Macrocosm scale shows Hell being much larger than planet Heaven
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again, when have i said otherwise? i was talking about heaven not hell
dude, when have i said otherwise about hell?
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I strongly recommend that you see Op from @Ultima_Reality explaining about it, there is no need to write a lot of comments, just write one that makes it difficult for me to comment with you, right?
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well, we never used this and no thread was ever made accepting this, but this will become irrelevant when the otherworld size thread gets accepted anyway, so i will not fight over it
the old macrocosm map is not in scale, that was accepted, that was the entire basis for the crt, you can't use visuals from the map to say what is bigger than what
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Omega, the answer was not for you, but for the one above who quoted about hell, I just answered him here.
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i read it, thus the thread
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It was something agreed by me, Antvasima, and AKM sama long before you ever joined the forum and while Damage opposed or at least interrogated it, he kind of got outvoted.
Actually, bits in pieces were still valid such as the Living Universe being much smaller than the Other World but what's not usable is stuff like Snake Way being 1/4th the size.
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I definitely agree with that, I think another thread should be opened to discuss DB realms
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ok then, fair enough
no? they were not, it was agreed that it cannot be used to scale size at all, plus both of them have the exact same size in the map
for similar reason hell can't be said to be bigger because of the map weird scale of sizes
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Sorry but it looks like you didn't read it, my thread was accepted by the people who know the most about Tier 2, including @Antvasima , why would it be wrong bro?
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Why is TDOSSL is being made retroactively part of the macrocosm without
a) ever it being depicted in a map, making it a space conceptually similar to RoSAT and Suguroku which are unaffected by universe spanning events as shown in DBS manga
c) why are we assuming that it is inside of the U7 boundaries when the characters literally exceed the limits of the universe
d) why is a spacetime that Gogeta and Broly broke into, whilst having multi macrocosm busting power, being retroactively scaled to a character who can only bust a single one.
So far I see evidence for 4 spacetimes Living Worl/Afterlife/hell/kaiorealm within a macrocosm, DOSL creates recursive scaling and is unconfirmed to be part of the standard macrocosm structure shown in all maps, it can’t scale to BoG Goku because it took multiple clashes from Gogeta and Broly to break into the first place, maybe bump Gogeta and Broly to 9 universes but that’s it .
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i explained the reasons in the OP of this thread, also staff can make mistakes, regardless, something being accepted before doesn't make it immune to being changed later
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Dang, if the other realms don’t fit the size requirements, then I agree.
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Bro, do you disagree with the Op?
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dude please don't derail the thread with something that it is not covering, leave this for another time
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So are you suggesting 4 Space Times
5 with SSJ Gogeta and SSJ Broly
9 GoDs+
60 with Zeno
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How about someone just quickly pixel scale this shot of Heaven from the series itself to the Afterlife's space around it possibly speed things up till the other calc gets concluded? If I'm not mistaken, as long as like it'd fit in the total space like 8 or 9 times, the Kaioshin Realm would be a universe in size off that alone.
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Well, the team is very strict about DB, there were no errors during my CRT, if that happened they would definitely disagree and say that it does not meet the requirements for realms to be low 2-C
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Fair enough, but still the dimension of the swirling lights qualifies to be low 2-C or if not higher, there were space-time affected and dimensional barriers broken within.
But anyway, I think your argument would make sense.
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this is not the place to discuss this, go to the thread about the afterlife size to discuss this, honestly medeus gave good points for at least the kaioshin realm to be low 2-C even without that
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dimensional barriers are simply space time fabric, they have no size to make th DOSL into low 2-C
also since you agreed with Aguila can i count you as an agree for the other realms outside of the DOSL?
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Why nobody thought of this is beyond me unfortunately I wouldn't know how to do it
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I think we should do this
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this thread is about the cosmology and not the scaling tho, so could you say what you agree cosmology wise so that i can put it clearly in the op?
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No, I don't agree with Op for obvious reasons, @Ultima_Reality already explained it to you and still going on with it.
But anyway, I agree that the other realms are space-time separate from each other, being 4 in total, but the dimension of the swirling lights is still part of the macrocosm, they had to affect all space-time of Universe 7 to enter there, making the dimension at least low 2-C and with dimensional barriers inside being broken
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Based on DDM/Luffy/Agulair reasons I believe we should have
Living World /Afterlife /Hell/ Kaiorealm (based on the fact it scales to the Afterlife which is vastly larger than the living realm) and finally Swirling Lights which can go to SSJ Gogeta and Beyond
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again, i explained this in the op already on what dimensional barriers were decided to be, i will count your vote tho
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Disagree based of DarkDragon reason( Something I would never say)
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could someone make a concise summary of why the dimension of sweriling lights would qualify as low 2-C?
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Little sister, could you mark the @Ultima_Reality ?
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We pretty much agree with the points Luffy brought up
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yeah, i asked for a summary of that, since a giant wall of text not organized makes it hard for me to tell what exactly the argument is
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Basically, I already explained in my comment, the dimension of the swirling lights is another space-time ( Brolly and Gogeta distorted all space-time in the Universe to go into such a dimension and broke several dimensional barriers there )
Simply put, it qualifies to be a low 2-C or directly 2-C size by having multiple dimensional barriers within it, plus there are many claims of it being a higher dimension (extradimensional/superdimensional) and being portrayed as a mathematical dimension or something like that by the director
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Medeus quick explanation
As I said earlier, this seemed to be an extended version of Toei Buuhan's newly revised feat, so Low 2-C is indeed a bare minimum this could be interpreted, and think it is solid to consider a 2-C feat.
I also asked some questions about the dimension of the swirling lights, and it was agreed that it has enough reason to be another spacetime of size low 2-C/ 2-C
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