Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 87 CRT [SPOILER]

[DanielX7]

That's literally what happens though. Even Elec said to the other heeters that Gas was wasting the last of his life form to finish them as there isn't a lot of time before he would die, as Gas literally used all his power and life force (and ki was stated to be both. Even in Z, Vegeta used all his life force in his final explosion against Buu, and then turned into stone and died as a result of it happening)

You're confusing "life force" with "life time". Vegeta used "life force", Granolah and Gas used "life time".

 

[SamanPatou]

The point doesn't change, it's still a weakness

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You're confusing "life force" with "life time". Vegeta used "life force", Granolah and Gas used "life time".

And you know why their life time is decreasing? That is because they use their life force to power themselves up. Gas was literally told to do it until he'll die. The story makes it very clear that to power themselves up, Granolah and Gas wastes their life force and age quicker, and for Gas he aged so much he was practucally a living corpse in Chapter 87

 

[DanielX7]

The point doesn't change, it's still a weakness

Yes.

 

[DanielX7]

And you know why their life time is decreasing? That is because they use their life force to power themselves up. Gas was literally told to do it until he'll die. The story makes it very clear that to power themselves up, Granolah and Gas wastes their life force and age quicker, and for Gas he aged so much he was practucally a living corpse in Chapter 87

You don't understand how life works on DB. First of all, Ki is literally "life force".

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You don't understand how life works on DB. First of all, Ki is literally "life force".

That what I said??? I literally said their life span decreases because they use their life force directly to power their attack. At this point you are either trolling or you just don't know what you're talking about

Ki is their life force meaning the more of their life force they waste, especially with the curse, the more they age and their life span decreases, making them closer and closer to death

 

[DanielX7]

That what I said??? I literally said their life span decreases because they use their life force directly to power their attack. At this point you are either trolling or you just don't know what you're talking about

Ki is their life force meaning the more of their life force they waste, especially with the curse, the more they age and their life span decreases, making them closer and closer to death

So you're saying that they use ki to get ki?! That's just wrong. They use "lifetime" to get a greater acces to ki!

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So you're saying that they use ki to get ki?! That's just wrong. They use "lifetime" to get a greater acces to ki!

Ki = Life Force in DB (and in eastern cultures where they based their version of ki from)
They literally use their life force to power themselves up. It's not hard to understand

This is also why, the more they use their life force to power themselves up, they age more and become closer to death, as they literally exchange their life force for a power boost

This was even shown in Z, when Majin Vegeta used all of his life force in an attempt to kill Buu with a Final Explosion, which almost eradicated Buu despite him being leagues above Vegeta. Vegeta died afterwards and Buu only survived thanks to regeneration

Also, Elec directly tells Gas to use the last of his life force to power himself and kill Goku and Vegeta before he dies

 

[SirAlex09]

Me :

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Me :

Pretty much. No idea why the arguments

 

[Sus]

Base frieza should be 4B not H4C, since base goku is downscaled from his ss1 form (4B)

Also, if frieza could design his form at will, could that possibly give him power modification? (Or whatever ability is it)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Base frieza should be 4B not H4C, since base goku is downscaled from his ss1 form (4B)

I'm pretty sure in Super we currently just accept Base Goku there as simply stronger than his Buu Saga counterpart, so for now Base Goku is High 4-C, especially since 4-B was for his SSJ forms

Also, if frieza could design his form at will, could that possibly give him power modification? (Or whatever ability is it)

If he really did designed the forms himself, then this can work

 

[Sus]

I'm pretty sure in Super we currently just accept Base Goku there as simply stronger than his Buu Saga counterpart, so for now Base Goku is High 4-C, especially since 4-B was for his SSJ forms

But base is only 50x weaker than SS1, not enough gap to knock the form out of 4B

 

[Sus]

Actually, didn't they state that gotenks is no match for him? That'd give first form frieza a concrete "at least 4B"

 

[Nullflowerblush]

anime.

 

[DanielX7]

Ki = Life Force in DB (and in eastern cultures where they based their version of ki from)
They literally use their life force to power themselves up. It's not hard to understand

This is also why, the more they use their life force to power themselves up, they age more and become closer to death, as they literally exchange their life force for a power boost

This was even shown in Z, when Majin Vegeta used all of his life force in an attempt to kill Buu with a Final Explosion, which almost eradicated Buu despite him being leagues above Vegeta. Vegeta died afterwards and Buu only survived thanks to regeneration

Also, Elec directly tells Gas to use the last of his life force to power himself and kill Goku and Vegeta before he dies

This, is a power boost, is not more "energy received", it's a power up! In previous comments it give the impression they just get more energy (for only one attack for example), but no, they get a power up at the same time they get closer to death.

 

[DanielX7]

But base is only 50x weaker than SS1, not enough gap to knock the form out of 4B

But he can use Godly Ki in his base form (and even normal SSJ forms).

 

[Sus]

But he can use Godly Ki in his base form (and even normal SSJ forms).

The wiki doesn't accept 3A base form for the manga (neither do i tbh)

 

[DanielX7]

The manga doesn't accept 3A base form for the manga (neither do i tbh)

But the movies? That's true in the anime, it's weird to thing the manga have the EXACT same canon as the movies.

 

[Sus]

anime.

I won't magically understand what you're trying to say using 1 word

Are you saying that SS1 is a 50x multiplier only in the anime? Which is false since its from the Z manga

Or are you trying to say that the gotenks statement is from the anime? And if so, why isn't first form frieza scaled to gotenks then?

 

[Sus]

But the movies? That's true in the anime, it's weird to thing the manga have the EXACT same canon as the movies.

That's for another crt, not here

 

[DanielX7]

That's for another crt, not here

Thanks.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

And if so, why isn't first form frieza scaled to gotenks then?

That is a topic for a different thread centered around an entirely different continuity.

 

[Sus]

That is a topic for a different thread centered around an entirely different continuity.

Base Frieza should still be 4B regardless of this statement

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I'm pretty sure in Super we currently just accept Base Goku there as simply stronger than his Buu Saga counterpart, so for now Base Goku is High 4-C, especially since 4-B was for his SSJ forms

If he really did designed the forms himself, then this can work

No. SSJ Goku scales to kid buu so base Goku is still solar system level at the start of super.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Derailment.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm completely lost track of everything here, what we currently arguing again???

 

[Sus]

Derailment.

No its not

 

[Sus]

No. SSJ Goku scales to kid buu so base Goku is still solar system level at the start of super.

Yep thats what im trying to say

 

[Nullflowerblush]

No its not

Do you even remember what the OP is?

 

[Sus]

Friezas manga profile was created for this crt its not derailment to discuss it

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The thread was related to the creation of the page (completed) and additions to Gas and Monaito (in progress).

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'll get to edit Gas later, but I'm not sure how it should be worded. That will also be counted in his weaknesses section