Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Are we still arguing about Daima being canon to Super or not? I mean ffs: we're only four episodes in into a twenty episode long anime, it's far too early to say that it's non canon or otherwise.

I get that Kibito and Shin already being unfused before Super is a massive contradiction, but they could very easily end up refusing back together by the end of Daima. We just need to be patient and wait to see what happens later on before we come up with conclusions.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Are we still arguing about Daima being canon to Super or not? I mean ffs: we're only four episodes in into a twenty episode long anime, it's far too early to say that it's non canon or otherwise.

I get that Kibito and Shin already being unfused before Super is a massive contradiction, but they could very easily end up refusing back together by the end of Daima. We just need to be patient and wait to see what happens later on before we come up with conclusions.

I doubt they will, I see this as a total retcon.

To clarify i think it's canon to dragonball super, just that when the defusion happened is being retconed

 

[RenderGK]

so is daima and super canon to each other? or do we not know so far

Yes, is canon

 

[Ryzen7900X]

I doubt they will, I see this as a total retcon.

To clarify i think it's canon to dragonball super, just that when the defusion happened is being retconed

we're only four episodes in into a twenty episode long anime, it's far too early

We just need to be patient and wait to see what happens later on before we come up with conclusions.

 

[Omegabronic]

You said it was equally our fault. It very clearly isn't. Those were your words.

What the-? No i didn't, you are just putting words in my mouth

It can be canon to both.

I guess, but one would need to prove that it is canon to both

Doesn't matter since Daima is Before Manga/Anime Super but after Z so Daima should be canon to Kai too

......it happening in an earlier year doesn't make it canon to everything after said year iherently.......else GT would be canon

Only to the super anime, Dragon Ball super manga uses Dragon Ball manga Z

Yeah Luffy......that is what i said

 

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[RoninSlayer200]

What about GT Goku kid vs Daima Goku? Who gonna win the fight? (I know this is stupid question)

GT Goku one taps, Massively above AP and Speed + has more battle experience

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah I got no idea what that other dude is saying.

That the DBS anime here is not canon to the DBZ manga, but of DBZKai, so Daima being after Z doesn't make it canon to the DBS Anime, one would need more proof than that

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

What the-? No i didn't, you are just putting words in my mouth


I guess, but one would need to prove that it is canon to both


......it happening in an earlier year doesn't make it canon to everything after said year iherently.......else GT would be canon


Yeah Luffy......that is what i said

Omega I am not putting words in your mouth. Stop dodging responsibility.

Don't care who started really, just advise it to stop, it is equally the fault of the one who engages instead of hust ignoring him, it works wonders

Plus i did told him that

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

That the DBS anime here is not canon to the DBZ manga, but of DBZKai, so Daima being after Z doesn't make it canon to the DBS Anime, one would need more proof than that

No we wouldn't. Every release of offical animated Dragon Ball after the Super anime ended has taken place in the Super anime continuity, Broly and Superhero. It's safe to assume that applies here too because we literally have no info that it takes place in some alternate dimension.

If anything you need proof it's not canon.

Again, for the last time, if you make an assertion you need to provide evidence.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That the DBS anime here is not canon to the DBZ manga, but of DBZKai, so Daima being after Z doesn't make it canon to the DBS Anime, one would need more proof than that

How about precedent? All new dragonball stuff has had a version canon to super and a version canon to the super manga or just been stated to be canon for both daimia is no different and was originally planned to be a movie before being turned into a series.

 

[RenderGK]

As it has been said, and as it has been treated currently DBS, and every new DB animation, it is sure to be Canon for both.

more rumors from the same leak, that leaker, Daima will be present in a future DBS.

I think it should be easy, to understand how Daima will be treated in the canon.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Like genuinely, what the hell is the alternative, it's canon to nothing? If it's not canon to Kai, or the Z anime, or the Z manga, then what the shit is it canon too? Do we just come to the conclusion it's actually secretly in its own completely unique dimension?

 

[RenderGK]

Like genuinely, what the hell is the alternative, it's canon to nothing? If it's not canon to Kai, or the Z anime, or the Z manga, then what the shit is it canon too? Do we just come to the conclusion it's actually secretly in its own completely unique dimension?

Lol

 

[Emerald]

Like genuinely, what the hell is the alternative, it's canon to nothing? If it's not canon to Kai, or the Z anime, or the Z manga, then what the shit is it canon too? Do we just come to the conclusion it's actually secretly in its own completely unique dimension?

trust me bro. Akira wrote a story that follows its own unique storyline and doesn't follow the story that he made and decided to continue years later

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I know a lot of other supporters are tired of these out of nowhere arbitrary burdens of proof put upon us that has no precedent in the site's standards.

'Erm, what's your proof?'

'Basic fcking reasoning.'

 

[RoninSlayer200]

......it happening in an earlier year doesn't make it canon to everything after said year iherently.......else GT would be canon

The burden of proof is on you here; you have to prove that Daima isn't canon to Z/Kai or Super. There is like zero reason why it's not (If you gonna say Kibitoshin contradiction, don't, because they can always fuse later so this isn't a good argument)

We all know why GT isn't canon. I don't need to say anything more about that.

Honestly, I think you're overthinking about what's canon and what's not. I'm sure Toriyama and the others who worked on Dragon Ball didn't care about that as much, so maybe you shouldn't either.

Anyway, won't reply further, agree to disagree.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

trust me bro. Akira wrote a story that follows its own unique storyline and doesn't follow the story that he made and decided to continue years later

Erm, but you need proof for that too obviously.

 

[Omegabronic]

Omega I am not putting words in your mouth. Stop dodging responsibility.

Oh i see the confusion, i worded badly, what i meant to say is that, for the ongoing drama after the first message, engaging and doing the same thing the troll is doing is also your fault, after that point, not that it is your fault in general for the entire situation

No we wouldn't. Every release of offical animated Dragon Ball after the Super anime ended has taken place in the Super anime continuity, Broly and Superhero.

those two are literally "Dragon Ball Super" movies..........Daima isn't even slightly comparable to those at all since it doesn't have the "Dragon Ball Super" title to it nor is it a direct continuation of it like the 2 movies are

It's safe to assume that applies here too because we literally have no info that it takes place in some alternate dimension.

No, if one affirms something is canon, one needs to prove that, being technical, the DBS Anime already is another continuitu from the DB and DBS Manga, which is different from DBZ Toei's continuity, so one would need proof of which continuity Daima is in

If anything you need proof it's not canon.

One doesn't need to prove a negative, if a side is with the positive "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime" or "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime and DBS Manga" then one needs to prove that

More over, one needs to prove which continuity Daima is a sequel to, the DB Manga or the DBZKAI anime or the Toei Anime? Cuz that would matter as well

Like genuinely, what the hell is the alternative, it's canon to nothing? If it's not canon to Kai, or the Z anime, or the Z manga, then what the shit is it canon too? Do we just come to the conclusion it's actually secretly in its own completely unique dimension?

......who said that it isn't canon to the Dbz manga? I sure didn't, that is the one thing i am certain it is canon to, it mentions events of it afterall

Again, for the last time, if you make an assertion you need to provide evidence.

Which is why i am asking

How about precedent? All new dragonball stuff has had a version canon to super and a version canon to the super manga or just been stated to be canon for both daimia is no different

..........the movies are literally "DRAGON BALL SUPER" movies that directly mention events from DBS........Daima is nothing like that, at most it has the "12 Universes" mentioned, but that was a thing since DBZ with the Battle of Gods movie

 

[Omegabronic]

The burden of proof is on you here; you have to prove that Daima isn't canon to Z/Kai or Super.

it is canon to Z, i don't need to prove something i never said lol

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Omega idk what to tell you. Your wrong, the franchise has been like this sense super came out to convince me that has changed would require direct word from toei staff.

You have to prove the franchise dosen't work the way it has for years. The title dosen't matter, it is a dragonball story the assumption is its canon is in line with the other dragonball storys from this era.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Oh i see the confusion, i worded badly, what i meant to say is that, for the ongoing drama after the first message, engaging and doing the same thing the troll is doing is also your fault, after that point, not that it is your fault in general for the entire situation


those two are literally "Dragon Ball Super" movies..........Daima isn't even slightly comparable to those at all since it doesn't have the "Dragon Ball Super" title to it nor is it a direct continuation of it like the 2 movies are


No, if one affirms something is canon, one needs to prove that, being technical, the DBS Anime already is another continuitu from the DB and DBS Manga, which is different from DBZ Toei's continuity, so one would need proof of which continuity Daima is in


One doesn't need to prove a negative, if a side is with the positive "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime" or "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime and DBS Manga" then one needs to prove that

More over, one needs to prove which continuity Daima is a sequel to, the DB Manga or the DBZKAI anime or the Toei Anime? Cuz that would matter as well


......who said that it isn't canon to the Dbz manga? I sure didn't, that is the one thing i am certain it is canon to, it mentions events of it afterall


Which is why i am asking


..........the movies are literally "DRAGON BALL SUPER" movies that directly mention events from DBS........Daima is nothing like that, at most it has the "12 Universes" mentioned, but that was a thing since DBZ with the Battle of Gods movie

It doesn't matter that Broly and Superhero were DBS, they are still offical animated Dragon Ball content written by the author himself. Both of which take place in the Kai, Super anime continuity.

Daima not being called Dragon Ball Super Daima is not an arguement whatsoever. Toei is treating the Kai and Super anime as the default continuity, and we have no statements there is anything different.

Omega for the love of God stop dodging the responsibility of making an arguement. I'm trying to be good faith but it feels like you are being purposely obtuse.

'I don't need to prove a negative' is bullshit. You are trying to make the claim that Daima isn't canon to Kai and Super anime. Prove it. You haven't so far, you have just dumped the burden on me. That's unproductive.

 

[Omegabronic]

Omega idk what to tell you. Your wrong, the franchise has been like this sense super came out to convince me that has changed would require direct word from toei staff.

You have to prove the franchise dosen't work the way it has for years. The title dosen't matter, it is a dragonball story the assumption is its canon is in line with the other dragonball storys from this era.

I mean......it is canon to the main continuity (the DB Manga), that i never questioned

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

If you reply with another stone wall with semantics about titles and 'I don't need to prove a negative', I'm not going to bother replying because you clearly don't want to listen and just want to be obtuse. Your reasoning is shallow and baseless.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I mean......it is canon to the main continuity (the DB Manga), that i never questioned

The super anime and manga continuitys are equally "the main canon" at this point.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can you guys shut up about If Daima is Canon or not, you all starting to repeating yourselfs with the same arguments.

"Daima is canon to Super"

"What about the Fusion contradiction?"

"They gonna do another Fusion later down, don't worry"

You people did this like, 3 times already, is getting annoying.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

The super anime and manga continuitys are equally "the main canon" at this point.

This. Both are basically equally canon atp, and Toei clearly favors the anime continuity.

Both Broly and Superhero, works written by Toriyama that came out after the anime ended, take place in the anime timeline.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Can you guys shut up about If Daima is Canon or not, you all starting to repeating yourselfs with the same arguments.

"Daima is canon to Super"

"What about the Fusion contradiction?"

"They gonna do another Fusion later down, don't worry"

You people did this like, 3 times already, is getting annoying.

If someone claims it's not canon. Someone else has to correct it. That is just how it is.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Now I am more then happy to change the subject to gushing/talking about the composite dragonball character if anyone is into that

 

[AwkguyDB]

This is such a pointless discussion. Daima as of now should be treated as canon since it references events canon to the manga and is made with the guidance of Akira Toriyama. We have not once ever deemed an Akira Toriyama project as non canon and when we did it’s because other projects came out to retcon it (BoG and RoF for example) to which the latter is canon but only to the manga

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Now I am more then happy to change the subject to gushing/talking about the composite dragonball character if anyone is into that

If we are all willing to move on from the Daima argument right now, yeah, sure

 

[Omegabronic]

It doesn't matter that Broly and Superhero were DBS, they are still offical animated Dragon Ball content written by the author himself. Both of which take place in the Kai, Super anime continuity.

Yeah, cause they literally say as much in the movies themselves, yes..........DBS Super Hero isn't canon to the DBS Manga/DB Manga however, so......

Daima not being called Dragon Ball Super Daima is not an arguement whatsoever.

never was, it was just me poiting out an obvious detail that nails down what the story of the movies makes crystal clear

Toei is treating the Kai and Super anime as the default continuity, and we have no statements there is anything different.

uhhh no, they decided to continue the DBS Anime continuity with movies that make clear they are continuations of the Anime.......didn't saw anything about it being the "default" continuity for them, no, least i didn't saw anything about it

Omega for the love of God stop dodging the responsibility of making an arguement. I'm trying to be good faith but it feels like you are being purposely obtuse.

but.....you are the one who did the argument about it being canon not only to the DB Manga, but to like 3 different continuities at once......how it is i that am dodging responsability? I never made an argument that it can't or isn't canon to any particular continuity, only that we have no proof either way so we can't just assume

'I don't need to prove a negative' is bullshit. You are trying to make the claim that Daima isn't canon to Kai and Super anime. Prove it. You haven't so far, you have just dumped the burden on me. That's unproductive.

Nope, i merely said that there isn't proof that it is canon to the DBS Anime continuity

 

[Omegabronic]

The super anime and manga continuitys are equally "the main canon" at this point.

"Main canon" is an arbitrary term anyway, remove the term and my answer stays the same

 

[Omegabronic]

This. Both are basically equally canon atp, and Toei clearly favors the anime continuity.

Both Broly and Superhero, works written by Toriyama that came out after the anime ended, take place in the anime timeline.

I mean........the DBS Anime is still not canon to the manga, that hasn't changed

 

[Fezzih_007]

If someone claims it's not canon. Someone else has to correct it. That is just how it is.

I don't actually care about how you think you are objectively correct in saying is Canon, what I saying for you to stop arguing If you gonna repeat the same arguments.

Now I am more then happy to change the subject to gushing/talking about the composite dragonball character if anyone is into that

Would It include the games? Also, can we count Arale?

 

[Omegabronic]

This is such a pointless discussion. Daima as of now should be treated as canon since it references events canon to the manga and is made with the guidance of Akira Toriyama. We have not once ever deemed an Akira Toriyama project as non canon and when we did it’s because other projects came out to retcon it (BoG and RoF for example) to which the latter is canon but only to the manga

That is the point "non canon" to what? Yeah, Daima is canon........but to which continuity?

 

[Omegabronic]

If we are all willing to move on from the Daima argument right now, yeah, sure

I would like that, thank you very much

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Would It include the games? Also, can we count Arale?

Yes and yes

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Yes and yes

He'd have the size of super shenron and all the powers of buu