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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Isn't king vegeta's feat also calculated to star level here? Death battle just gave it the record for destroying 3 planets, and didn't integrate it anyfurther
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
but i think this channel is sometimes very unfair to DB or haven't you noticed that?
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They gave Goku immeasurable speed for reacting to infinite Zamasu, which is, not immeasurable speed, and gave Frieza a 1 trillion billion ftl speed feat for his Namek arc self (which is also weird). The only thing that I would consider as relevant downplay would be King Vegeta's feat

Death Battle is not unfair towards Dragon Ball but their scaling can be questionable at times
 
Spinoirr said:
Oh they mentioned he survived Frieza's super nova attack... yet used the cannon version of the calc instead of the Toei anime one
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The Bardock they're using is a mix of canon and Toei, it makes more sense for them to use the canon version of the feat since it's the most relevant/up-to-date version
 
Ednaxel2 said:
The Bardock they're using is a mix of canon and Toei, it makes more sense for them to use the canon version of the feat since it's the most relevant/up-to-date version
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I don't really agree. If there using sources of multiple versions they should actually do that, they aren't making a new character, there just using multiple sources for feats, they should have just used the stronger one.
 
Spinoirr said:
Funny thing is they didn't downplay bardock, they just got different results for those feats compared to ours and used the cannon destruction of planet vegeta for base bardock too and ginyu scaling too

The problem is they wanked Omni-Man despite outliers
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Nah they downplayed.

One example is everyone who has calced King Vegeta's hand wave, consistently, got it to small star - star level. But there in a nice big comparison to Viltrum, is put at Large planet level.

And Planet Vegeta's destruction purposely didn't use Toei's version, which got insanely higher results.

They also didn't mention that Saiyans don't have as much stamina issues when they have a full tail (See GT for when Goku can keep SSJ3 without any problem).

Among others.
 
Lawyerr said:
Nah they downplayed.
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It's a mix of downplay and upscaling the character, Bardock is trillions of times faster than what we have him at currently for both Toei and canon
Lawyerr said:
One example is everyone who has calced King Vegeta's hand wave, consistently, got it to small star - star level. But there in a nice big comparison to Viltrum, is put at Large planet level.
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Agreed
Lawyerr said:
And Planet Vegeta's destruction purposely didn't use Toei's version, which got insanely higher results.
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If they're using both the Toei and Canon versions then there's no reason to use the older one than the newer one other than getter a higher number (then again using a mix of Toei and Canon scaling is already weid, but it's the route they took so)
 
UnoRebaixadO said:
What did you think of the Bardock vs Omni Man video? from Death Battle
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Good editing, decent animation (faces and mouths are wonky but decent combat, def far from their best though). Character dialogue was mid too.

Powerscaling wise, complete dogshit. Massively wanked Omni-Man giving him the absolute best feats statements and scaling that could be reasonably mustered for him, while giving Bardock pretty much the bare minimum albeit very questionable speed scaling which I imagine they only did because they didn't want it to be "unfair". And without addressing details about how Invincible characters travel through space that are explained in a guide book they mention in the very same video.

Tbh Omni-Man peaks at like multi-continent-moon level with rel+-FTL+ combat speed and MFTL+ travel speed in spaceflight. Even arguing that he's faster than Bardock, due to the "splat" thing with Invincible characters he'd literally crumple like paper hitting Bardock who comfortably reaches large planetary in base.
 
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Also why tf is the Viltrum feat given such credit. People forget; first off, it was destabilized by Space Racer, making it easier to destroy, second, it was a chain reaction via destroying the core, third, it required a planned, synchronized attack utilizing gathered accelerated force between 3 high tier Viltrumites.

And most importantly, they literally SAY that if they mess up the timing, they would die on impact with the planet.

I genuinely have no idea how people think Omni-Man's base AP is anywhere remotely near planetary. If he tried to blow up Viltrum that way on his own he would literally die and fail without doing any particularly significant damage to the planet's structure, by the character's own explanations.
 
RinneItachi said:
Also why tf is the Viltrum feat given such credit. People forget; first off, it was destabilized by Space Racer, making it easier to destroy, second, it was a chain reaction via destroying the core, third, it required a planned, synchronized attack utilizing gathered accelerated force between 3 high tier Viltrumites.

And most importantly, they literally SAY that if they mess up the timing, they would die on impact with the planet.

I genuinely have no idea how people think Omni-Man's base AP is anywhere remotely near planetary. If he tried to blow up Viltrum that way on his own he would literally die and fail without doing any particularly significant damage to the planet's structure, by the character's own explanations.
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Everytime you point that out, instead of refutes you'll either get excuses or insults, if not both.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Everytime you point that out, instead of refutes you'll either get excuses or insults, if not both.
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That's been my experience so far.

Invincible verse in powerscaling is difficult because it's a verse where the authors tried to sound all scientific for immersion but when you actually think about it for 2 seconds it makes no sense in real world application. The Smart Atoms thing being the most egregious of all. And because they try to actually incorporate some physics jargon into the mix it makes the actual feats and statements a lot harder to estimate. Most verses are very upfront about feats.

"So-and-so can destroy a planet because he big strong"-Normal verse.

"Well uhm so-and-so uses the combined acceleration of speeds exceeding the light barrier and uh random McGuffin power physics thing to uh destabilize the core of the planet and explode it via a chain reaction!! 🤓"-Invincible verse
 
RinneItachi said:
That's been my experience so far.

Invincible verse in powerscaling is difficult because it's a verse where the authors tried to sound all scientific for immersion but when you actually think about it for 2 seconds it makes no sense in real world application. The Smart Atoms thing being the most egregious of all. And because they try to actually incorporate some physics jargon into the mix it makes the actual feats and statements a lot harder to estimate. Most verses are very upfront about feats.

"So-and-so can destroy a planet because he big strong"-Normal verse.

"Well uhm so-and-so uses the combined acceleration of speeds exceeding the light barrier and uh random McGuffin power physics thing to uh destabilize the core of the planet and explode it via a chain reaction!! 🤓"-Invincible verse
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What's funny is that Bardock should've won even with the wank since King Vegeta's feat was also calced to Star
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
How? Davoth didn't have his powers when he fought Doomguy.
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Yes, he did. It was stated outright that Davoth, upon receiving a physical form again, would unlock his original power. Davoth never lost his strength, it was just that he couldn't use it because his essence was contained within a sphere, making him effectively a ghost. Upon receiving a vessel again, he returned to his original strength, wherein it was stated that in that form, only another Primevil being or something of equivalent power could stop him. He also literally outright says that he will destroy all of reality after beating the Doomslayer.
 
RinneItachi said:
Yes, he did. It was stated outright that Davoth, upon receiving a physical form again, would unlock his original power. Davoth never lost his strength, it was just that he couldn't use it because his essence was contained within a sphere, making him effectively a ghost. Upon receiving a vessel again, he returned to his original strength, wherein it was stated that in that form, only another Primevil being or something of equivalent power could stop him. He also literally outright says that he will destroy all of reality after beating the Doomslayer.
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How does that make his power "stolen" then?
 
RinneItachi said:
Also why tf is the Viltrum feat given such credit. People forget; first off, it was destabilized by Space Racer, making it easier to destroy, second, it was a chain reaction via destroying the core, third, it required a planned, synchronized attack utilizing gathered accelerated force between 3 high tier Viltrumites.

And most importantly, they literally SAY that if they mess up the timing, they would die on impact with the planet.

I genuinely have no idea how people think Omni-Man's base AP is anywhere remotely near planetary. If he tried to blow up Viltrum that way on his own he would literally die and fail without doing any particularly significant damage to the planet's structure, by the character's own explanations.
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I think Low 5-B is pretty fair since iirc that calc is based on the actual size of the impact created.
 
I recently heard the claim that most of dragonball's death battle wins were largly wrong, anyone here have an opinion on this? I know 18 vs caption marvel is a big one, shadow vs vegeta is... early deathbattle stuff but I don't know much to speak on the others so what do you think?
 
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