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I´m pretty sure this has been rejected
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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do you agree that overpowering a ki beam with a PL of 2800 requires moon level strength?
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Well, Master Roshi and Piccolo could destroy the moon with far less PL, so yes
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Damage denied the existence of this
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Null said that the original text don´t says that and he knows japanese, so yeah, he is a reliable source, lolDamage denied the existence of this
Jokes aside, does we consider that he crossed the galaxy?
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The maximum distance Goku can teleport is more than three galaxies, so do the math there, i trust the translation more @Executor_N0
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But you can make calculations about Goku moving from Earth to the Kaio planet, which is outside the Universe, according to guide 1/4 of the living Universe and the other world.
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It is Dimensional Travel, so we can´t measure the distance by normal means
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This is the teleportation range, anything less is not possible, because Goku senses the ki of characters outside the Universe and there is no way it can be smaller than this distance
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Dimensional Travel can´t be measured²
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He's referring to when Goku tried to Instant Transmission early in the DBS Anime, and when he went to search for a Ki scoured what looks like more than one galaxy before quitting, or-Like Topaz, used Vegeta's teleport as a baseline minimum distance (Vegeta crossed a Quadrant). Meaning that, logistically, if each teleport has a high end range, that Goku could potentially be teleporting a distance of several galaxies at a time before the full distance is reached. That said, I agree with it not being the Universe. He just traveled between two arbitrary points within it.
Edit: Nevermind, I stand corrected.
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Goku sees 5 galaxies, so the distance would have to be that big.
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The anime is from a different continuity than the manga
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Strongest/Durable. Density is never never mentioned. So for all we know it could be as hard as Vibranium and as light as a feather.
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Teleportation is a Universal thing, anything related to teleportation applies to both media.
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Both medias showed Teleportation as being capable of Dimensional Travel
Only the anime showed it´s range inside a single universe
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Even so, it is still canon and can still be used as evidence to make the calculation.
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We separate the continuities, so we can´t use something from one continuity to another, if you want to do that then you need to merge them
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In fact we can, Dragon ball manga is an adaptation of the anime and has the same ending as the anime (spoken by Toyotaro )
It's still the same teleportation and with more support, one thing has not changed for another.
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Yes, the manga is an adaptation of the anime, but the scene where the range of teleportation is showed is filler and only exists in the anime
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I did another CRT:
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According to this scan Nobody can beat 17 when he is Super 17. That would mean he is stronger than every Outerversal character. (Not Tier 0, because he not a loser) Since Goku defeated him, Goku should also Tier 1. Votes: Agree 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 : Dissagre because no one...
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When you job is conquering planets, and the universe only have less than 30, which are destroyed every other week, i find believable this is one of his hobby.
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Unironically makes sense
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Glad to see nothing's changed around here.
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How much time
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Sincerely, this looks like Zeno
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Uh, no? Zeno hasn’t demonstrated anything like this.
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Okay that's good, thanks
Most dense material known to man is neutronium
Strongest/most durable material known known to man is nuclear pasta. In that case, kachi katchin calcs can use nuclear pasta as a conservative end.
what about normal katchin? Only hardness is mentioned as its property right?
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So here's the thing with Ki blasts:
Ki is life energy. The more you have and the more you enhance it, the more you can output it and the stronger it will be. Warriors capable of using Ki typically spread it throughout their entire body so as to boost all of their physical abilities. But Ki users are capable of gathering specific quantities of Ki into a single point and firing it as a blast of varying strength. It seems that they can actually effect the power of their Ki blasts based on the technique itself (Kamehameha-Super Kamehameha, Final Flash>Galick Gun, etc.) but we don't know much detail on that.
So basically, if their entire body is enhanced to a level capable of destroying planets and going faster than light, a Ki blast technique will be on a somewhat higher level than that. It's based on the strength of their Ki, but there is a larger amount of it focused into one point contrary to how it's usually spread throughout their entire body. Of course they can also just focus extra Ki into one body part or other object to enhance it with the same effect as a Ki blast.
This is all best shown in Goku & Piccolo Vs. Raditz. We visually see that Raditz's scouter detects a large increase in power level when Goku and Piccolo use Ki blast's. Such a drastic increase that their Ki blasts can actually hurt Raditz despite their normal attacks having no effect. And the other attribute of certain techniques boosting the power of the blast is also shown. Goku being slightly stronger than Piccolo but his Kamehameha being far weaker than the Special Beam Cannon.
For a character to overpower a Ki blast, they generally just need to be sizably stronger than the user of the blast. Raditz stopped Goku's Kamehameha and tanked the explosion with only some moderate damage sustained to his hand, because he was much stronger than Goku, enough so that even a charged up Ki blast from him wasn't able to deal much damage.
At best a well-used Ki blast can make up for a difference of maybe 2-3x going off of power levels.
Edit: And I feel that I should emphasize that Ki amount and Ki strength are two different things. The Android's have infinite Ki, but they're far weaker than Goku. This is why even when a character is low on Ki, they can still keep up with an opponent they were on even terms with prior. Their Ki is still strong, but they don't have as much of it to continue enhancing themselves or use Ki blast's as powerful.
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Maybe we can call OG Kid Goku as "Son Goku (Classic DB Toei)"?
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So like (Classic DB Toei) and (DBZ Toei)?
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Could you guys please help message some mods about this? We've been one vote away for weeks now
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We had a thread about it a while ago, that has 17 pages and discussion about updates to the blog, as well as a conclusion that we should make another one with the new blog before a hard necro. I updated @Ednaxel2 's blog, grammatically (Mostly was adding "at least" to stuff), with his...
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Try to ping someCould you guys please help message some mods about this? We've been one vote away for weeks now
Updated Dragon Ball AP Ratings Upgrade
We had a thread about it a while ago, that has 17 pages and discussion about updates to the blog, as well as a conclusion that we should make another one with the new blog before a hard necro. I updated @Ednaxel2 's blog, grammatically (Mostly was adding "at least" to stuff), with his...
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pinging might work yeah
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Looks good
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