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It’s still official piece of media, and put some damn respect on it because it’s literally the reason Toriyama went and wrote BoG ( due to how bad it was)
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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It's still a licensed work some kind which means it can stay here unlike Dragon Ball Kakumei
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As @Huesito88 just pointed out, Evolution is a licensed piece of work that legally uses the Dragon Ball license from Toei and those who own Dragon Ball. Kakumei, meanwhile, is LITERALLY FANFICTION THAT WASN'T GIVEN PERMISSION FROM TOEI TO USE THE DRAGON BALL LICENSE. That's why Evolution is allowed but not Kakumei, because one is officially licensed and the other is just a fan made story
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It doesn't seem to be something licensed, and even Akira says that this isn't Dragon Ball
I have to agree that it doesn't actually follow Dragon Ball faithfully and much less should it be called something licensed
I have to agree that it doesn't actually follow Dragon Ball faithfully and much less should it be called something licensed
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BoG it is very different
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But is there really anything saying that it was licensed by Toei?
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I need to make some corrections after doing some research, as I realize that Toei isn't the sole owners of Dragon. See, here's somethings you need to understand about Dragon Ball's ownership: Toriyama is NOT the sole owner of the entire franchise, he created Dragon Ball and is credited as such but he does not hold total control over the entire franchise across every aspect.
The Mess of "Who owns Dragon Ball?" • Kanzenshuu
www.kanzenshuu.com
Shueisha (the publishing company which owns things like V Jump and Shonen Jump) are the ultimate right holders of Dragon Ball, Toei owns the rights to the anime, Bandai are the owners of Dragon Ball merchandising, and etc. So while Toriyama is certainly important and is the creator of Dragon Ball, it cannot be stated enough that he doesn't have full control over the licensing. Now why's this important to Evolution? Because the company who made Evolution, 20th Century Fox, bought the American film rights to Dragon Ball from Shueisha and were given permission by them to use the characters in a live action movie without Toriyama's involvement or say so.
Kakumei, on the other hand, is objective fanfiction created by a fan of Dragon Ball without any official permission from Shueisha and those who also own Dragon Ball...otherwise it would be distributed and sold for commercial purpose, yet the creator of Kakumei keeps it free and non profited because they'd get sued for trying to make money off of licensed work. That's why Evolution is allowed on here but Kakumei isn't, because the former is licensed while the later isn't
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That doesn't seem like good proof.I need to make some corrections after doing some research, as I realize that Toei isn't the sole owners of Dragon. See, here's somethings you need to understand about Dragon Ball's ownership: Toriyama is NOT the sole owner of the entire franchise, he created Dragon Ball and is credited as such but he does not hold total control over the entire franchise across every aspect.
The Mess of "Who owns Dragon Ball?" • Kanzenshuu
Shueisha (the publishing company which owns things like V Jump and Shonen Jump) are the ultimate right holders of Dragon Ball, Toei owns the rights to the anime, Bandai are the owners of Dragon Ball merchandising, and etc. So while Toriyama is certainly important and is the creator of Dragon Ball, it cannot be stated enough that he doesn't have full control over the licensing. Now why's this important to Evolution? Because the company who made Evolution, 20th Century Fox, bought the American film rights to Dragon Ball from Shueisha and were given permission by them to use the characters in a live action movie without Toriyama's involvement or say so.
Kakumei, on the other hand, is objective fanfiction created by a fan of Dragon Ball without any official permission from Shueisha and those who also own Dragon Ball...otherwise it would be distributed and sold for commercial purpose, yet the creator of Kakumei keeps it free and non profited because they'd get sued for trying to make money off of licensed work. That's why Evolution is allowed on here but Kakumei isn't, because the former is licensed while the later isn't
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He got me there that's for sure, I genuinely can't think of a good response to such a well thought out and put together counterpoint.../s.
But jokes aside, I'm speaking the truth here unfortunately. There is a reason why all Dragon Ball related anime is done by Toei, or why any and all Dragon Ball games are published and licensed by Bandai, or any Dragon Ball movies in America are shown with the 20th Century FOX logo....because all three owe a certain aspect of the Dragon Ball franchise, but all the rights ultimately come from Shueisha. So again, Toriyama is the creator and is credited as such but he isn't in sole control of what Shueisha and the like do with the franchise.
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I understand the games, animes, and films with Akira's hands, but Dragon Ball evolution is very far from something official, in any case it doesn't even want to be mentioned anymore by Toei or Akira, I think stopped being official years ago
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What you think doesn´t matter too much in this case tbh, if it was approved by one of the people that has the rights of DB then it is official unless something proves otherwise
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I mean the back of Evolution's DVD cover gives credit to Toriyama and Shonen Jump/Shueisha, and if it was no longer official then I doubt Shueisha would allow it to be distributed or streamed online. Plus considering that Evolution was made after 20th Century FOX bought the rights to film distribution in America, that would mean that they asked Dragon Ball's owner about making a live action movie and they gave FOX permission
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Very good, my opinion doesn't count, but what do you have to say about these things?
He didn't even know what was doing about this film.
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This doesn´t prove that the film ins´t official
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Luffy is tweeking rn
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why don't you take it out to profie deletion tbh
and see for yourself
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Luffy, both of these quotes are 100% irrelevant to the discussion and the argument being made...these are actors and writer talking about how they feel about the movie, not that it's no longer officially licensed.
And again if it wasn't considered licensed anymore then why would Shueisha allow it to be streamed online when it's apparently using the Dragon Ball name illegally? So either I'm missing something, or it's just that Evolution is officially licensed
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This proves that the film was not made as Dragon Ball should be, it is contracting the work soon and in addition there are official words from Akira saying that it is neither canon nor official (he even mentions that it is not it's Dragon Ball)
The film's creator had no experience with the work, nor even had any involvement with Akira, it is not described as official
This is simply not an official story like Dragon Ball Heros, GT, Super, and Dragon Ball Z
You can even say that it is official, but you are extremely mistaken in thinking that it is, this film did not even have any involvement with Toei, only the rights were purchased (this does not state anything that is official) just that a poorly developed project with no knowledge left to work, it simply stopped being official when Akira came out to the public and said that it's not Dragon Ball, apart from the creator saying that he didn't know anything about Dragon Ball, I think we have a lot of reasons why this shouldn't even be considered Dragon Ball
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Having the right to something is one thing, but it's completely different from being official, this no longer has any involvement with Shueisha, this company simply has the right to publish just that, it's like Netflix that has the right to publish some anime in its catalog that aren't theirs, they're just using the name Dragon Ball, although various proofs that I've stated don't make this movie even Dragon Ball to tell the truth.
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Toriyama is not the sole owner of Dragon Ball as I have pointed messages ago, so it's irrelevant what he says...regardless of its quality, Evolution uses the Dragon Ball name and therefore it's considered Dragon Ball media.
This is actually horse shit, as it turns out that Toriyama acted as a creative consultant to this movie so he did have involvement in Evolution. Given that Akira has a tendnecy to forget even basic shit like Android 18 having blonde hair, I have no doubt he forgot he was a creative consultant for the movie.
Completely and totally irrelevant here....it has the name, it's credited to Toriyama and Shueisha, and it's distributed under their permission, so it is in fact an official story.
Didn't I explain this earlier? Fox only bought the rights to distribute DB movies in America and the rights to any live action movies that may be made, the article that I linked about Toriyama's involvement also states that they "concluded a rights deal with Shueisha, the Japanese publisher of the comic." This means that they, in fact, did need to get permission to make a live action Dragon Ball movie and that there was involvement.
So bottom line; Like it or not, Evolution is in fact officially licensed DB media and no amount of appeals to emotion will disprove the evidence I've provided which states otherwise
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Luffy on his omega arc
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We lack information of where Vegeta and Nappa were, and how much time Goku actually spent. According to the Daizenshuu chronology, if we assume he was sent in the beginning of year 737, and got there by June-August like the page says, he took 7-8 months, which is reasonable.
Keep in mind that the Daizenshuu claims Goku was born this year, that has been retconned.
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He is the highest authority on whether or not a story is part of his universe or not. If you have no other counterclaim of the DBE movies being canon/part of the universe, then we have a statement disregarding them. End of story.
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I'm not claiming that it's canon or part of the series, only that DBE is officially licensed DB media. It's absolutely not canon to the manga, anime, GT, Super, Heroes, and all that jazz...but it's still got the name so I consider it as being part of the name
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Akira himself said that they didn't listen to him and didn't want to change things, even the creator of this movie said that he knew absolutely nothing about Dragon Ball, sorry, but that's not official at all, bro. That doesn't sound like Dragon Ball to me, there's no script for one, terrible development, the creator was just trying to make money out of it '-'
I can't understand where you're going with all this, since the evidence I've put in your hands makes it not official Dragon Ball at all
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Why? I love debating when I have free time about Dragon Ball (although I have to sleep now)
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Luffy, none of this matters.
It's licensed and officially released media. Toriyama could call it the Devil's Work today and it wouldn't stop it from being that way.
Does it suck as a story? Yeah, fine. But quality and approval =/= licensing.
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Yes, we are discussing about the Dragon Ball Evolution movie
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That's useful. Though, wait, what?
How & why was that birth year retconned? & if it's not that, then what is it?
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This film was not licensed by Toei, this company had the rights to Dragon Ball of course, but the film itself is not official, it has no plot based faithfully on the work, although you can say that She has the right to the films, that's right, but being an official is another story.
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Yeah I can't believe I'm arguing so heatedly about if a bad adaptation of an anime is considered officially licensed or not
YES! THANK YOU! This is what I've been trying to say for the last literal hour or so, maybe now I can finally go to bed and nurse the headache that's rapidly approaching my brain right now
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That doesn't matter. It was licensed and released by a company with part of the rights to the IP.
Luffy no one is arguing this is canon or part of the "story of Dragon Ball" but it is still a released piece of media with official licensing and copyright.
By the logic used on this thread, the Norse entries of God of War aren't official media cause David Jaffe dislikes them.
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Get better soon man. I know how much that can suck.
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I know man. I'm honestly on the crux of getting really mad about this, but I acknowledge that it's not a good fit as a user on here to get needlessly aggressive when talking about stuff like this so, knowing that and not wanting to get a warning for being hostile, I'm just going to go to bed now and cool down with some well needed sleep.
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I'm good. Honestly more baffling and funny than anything else. Hating a piece of media so much it becomes fanfiction to you is peak.
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We clown in this mfer
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Luffy actually said he liked it
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