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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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It wasn’t there wasn’t a speed multiplier accepted, it’s that it wasn’t applied yet.The Super Saiyan God Speed multiplier
A while ago a thread was made to determine SSG's multiplier. It was concluded that SSG's power multiplier should be higher than the gap between Buu Saga Base Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. However this principle should be applied to SSG Goku's speed multiplier as well. First, a few points 1...vsbattles.com
Yo! Do you guys mind checking out this thread?
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Nah, only a power multiplier was ever accepted
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Why exactly would speed and AP need seperate multiple threads for SSG?
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Darkseid vs Zeno | 0-0-0
Cause every Zeno match goes well! Godhead Darkseid is used, and is 5D Zeno is 5D Speed is equalized Votes Darkseid:0 Zeno:0 Inconclusive:0
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I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.
We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.
I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.
There are only a few cases that focus on specific statistics, like Dyspo, which has a transformation that specifically increases speed.
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That note is wrong both krillin and fat gotenks could react and evade cell max picclo and beast or gamma can’t statue cell max despite being like trillions of times stronger then gotenks and krillin
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in the case of SSJ1 and Kaioken we have either explicit statements that works that way, or demonstrations of such, SSJ2 and up power multiplier was gotten by purely upscaling from a purely power multiplier,
which doesn't mean "greater power in a certain amount = greater everything in the same amount"
because again, ssj2 and up is purely upscaling from a power multiplier, nothing else
which proves that raising a stat doesn't make your power grow in the same amount, else Dyspo wouldn't be any faster than Toppo
to say that something is a exeption, one must first prove the rule, now the rule to be proven is not that "greater ki = your stats all grow" but that "greater ki = all of your stats grow in the exact same amount proportional to one another" meaning "2x power increase = 2x durability increase" and etc
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While greater Ki will always make you faster, the wiki doesn't treat a linear increase in Ki to mean an increase to every single stat in the exact same way, otherwise SSG Goku would've had immeasurable speed just by being 2-C
The lack of a speed multiplier for SS2 and SS3 is due to their power multiplier just being upscaled from SS Grade 3, which is actually slower than base Super Saiyan. With KK we knew it explicitly multiplies speed, and with SS1 the 50x boost evidence is very clear when Goku blitzed 100% Frieza when he can't even keep up with 50% Frieza with KKx20. We don't have such luxuries with SS2 and SS3, all we knew is that they are massively but unquantifiably faster than SS.
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You say that the SSJ after the first one don't have official multipliers, etc., but what about these scans? Or are they fake and I didn't know?
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the manga contradicts them, as SSJ2 is implied superior to Grade 3, which is 10x greater than normal Super Saiyan, so this doesn't do much
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The manga? From what I know, the 10x comes from el Manga Legendario and not directly from the manga itself.
It would only be contradictory if there was proof that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than this DB databook that shows the SSJ 2 and 3 multipliers.
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Goku when he’s 8 septillion times ftl but can’t do 1 trillions sit ups in a short time
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pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
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Is there any crt that says this? What provides evidence that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide?
Mainly because the SEG is a more recent databook than the EML, that is, more updated information.
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It's mainly due to the wiki splitting hairs more than anything else. Most other power scaling circles realize it's usually alright to just apply most transformations to every stat.
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The Wiki accepts the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 multipliers provided by the Super Exciting Guide as contradicting their in-universe portrayals (e.g., Gohan turning a stomp around against Cell with a supposedly 2x multiplier; SSJ Gohan cannot, under any circumstance, be comparable to Perfect Cell).
but like hahaha...
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Also consider the fact that SSJ Gohan went from being stomped by Perfect Cell, to outpacing his powerhouse form which is his equivalent to SS Grade 3 (said form also turned around a stomp when Trunks used it, he's just too slow), and even his Super Perfect form which is incomparably stronger than his Powerhouse form, with Gohan only having just half of his power.
If SS2 Gohan is only 2x stronger than his SS state, he would've easily obliterated base Perfect Cell, since at his full power he would have the same level of power as SS2 Gohan during the beam struggle.
No matter how you look at it just the plain x2 multiplier is nonsense.
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Bro created a imgur link for that I cant
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Bro I ain't getting notifications I thought you guys are quite as hell
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There's also this statement in the El Manga Legendario:
During the fight, Gohan realizes that his strength surpasses
Cell's and tries to convince him to stop fighting, but...
It's the text right below the last manga panel. This basically states that during his fight with Cell, even as a calm SSJ, Gohan realizes he was already stronger than Cell but just didn't want to fight/kill him
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Yea it sucks lol
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Bleach achieved infinite speed, it's time for Dragon Ball to leave MFTL+, we've been at this thing for ages.
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Bleach got infinite speed? Lmao this site is something else
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It's just for a specific technique that no one really adapts.
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Yes, Bleach reached infinite speed, I can't believe it, because people did everything they could to make sure Bleach didn't leave the planet
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I really do think DB can get infinite universe again, the thread debunking it which got accepted isn't all that solid imo, but I'm not one to speak about translations or anything
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I don't know why you care so much about the universe being infinite or not.
The only thing that will happen when accepting this is that we will lose the calculation of the speed of that ball of universal energy and infinite speed will be treated as an outlier. Then there will be no benefit.
The only thing that will happen when accepting this is that we will lose the calculation of the speed of that ball of universal energy and infinite speed will be treated as an outlier. Then there will be no benefit.
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I also think that we should resume this project so that the Universe can be infinite again and have infinite speed, as well as having infinite emptiness, according to some translators, we can achieve that the void becomes infinite again with the measurement of time that's what they told me.
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Hell will be infinite and Goku will have infinite speed, plus we can get other things besides that, hehehe
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Infinite speed is accepted in other circles but it'll prolly never be accepted here
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I highly doubt that infinite speed will be accepted, when the infinite universe was first accepted, basically almost everyone on the staff agreed that infinite speed would be an outlier (from what I remember)
So making the universe infinite will only make verse lose several speed calculations and I don't see what concrete benefit it would give to verse, considering that we don't have 3-A characters (as far as I remember) and 2-C wouldn't be affected at all.
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Goku can never be infinite speed most character in verse still uses finite measurements of time even for speed
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And basically everything else in the anime/manga is an anti-feat. Considering that the void is not accepted as infinite and Jiren overcoming time is through power not speed.
Since Luffy talked about Bleach. Bleach is basically just a single specific technique that reaches this speed and no one reacts/adapts to it, so it basically has no anti-feats.
Since Luffy talked about Bleach. Bleach is basically just a single specific technique that reaches this speed and no one reacts/adapts to it, so it basically has no anti-feats.
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damn it I stopped getting notifications..
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