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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100


Yo! Do you guys mind checking out this thread?
It wasn’t there wasn’t a speed multiplier accepted, it’s that it wasn’t applied yet.
 
Nah, only a power multiplier was ever accepted
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.

There are only a few cases that focus on specific statistics, like Dyspo, which has a transformation that specifically increases speed.
 
We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.
That note is wrong both krillin and fat gotenks could react and evade cell max picclo and beast or gamma can’t statue cell max despite being like trillions of times stronger then gotenks and krillin
 
Really I made that SSG multiplier thread because I noticed that we still use >>>50x on the speed scaling blog. Since we use that SSG > pre-BoG Fusion * SS3 for power, the same should apply to speed.
 
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.
in the case of SSJ1 and Kaioken we have either explicit statements that works that way, or demonstrations of such, SSJ2 and up power multiplier was gotten by purely upscaling from a purely power multiplier,

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.
which doesn't mean "greater power in a certain amount = greater everything in the same amount"

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.
because again, ssj2 and up is purely upscaling from a power multiplier, nothing else

There are only a few cases that focus on specific statistics, like Dyspo, which has a transformation that specifically increases speed.
which proves that raising a stat doesn't make your power grow in the same amount, else Dyspo wouldn't be any faster than Toppo

to say that something is a exeption, one must first prove the rule, now the rule to be proven is not that "greater ki = your stats all grow" but that "greater ki = all of your stats grow in the exact same amount proportional to one another" meaning "2x power increase = 2x durability increase" and etc
 
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.
While greater Ki will always make you faster, the wiki doesn't treat a linear increase in Ki to mean an increase to every single stat in the exact same way, otherwise SSG Goku would've had immeasurable speed just by being 2-C

The lack of a speed multiplier for SS2 and SS3 is due to their power multiplier just being upscaled from SS Grade 3, which is actually slower than base Super Saiyan. With KK we knew it explicitly multiplies speed, and with SS1 the 50x boost evidence is very clear when Goku blitzed 100% Frieza when he can't even keep up with 50% Frieza with KKx20. We don't have such luxuries with SS2 and SS3, all we knew is that they are massively but unquantifiably faster than SS.
 
the manga contradicts them, as SSJ2 is implied superior to Grade 3, which is 10x greater than normal Super Saiyan, so this doesn't do much
The manga? From what I know, the 10x comes from el Manga Legendario and not directly from the manga itself.

It would only be contradictory if there was proof that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than this DB databook that shows the SSJ 2 and 3 multipliers.
 
The manga? From what I know, the 10x comes from el Manga Legendario and not directly from the manga itself.

It would only be contradictory if there was proof that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than this DB databook that shows the SSJ 2 and 3 multipliers.
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
 
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
Is there any crt that says this? What provides evidence that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide?

Mainly because the SEG is a more recent databook than the EML, that is, more updated information.
 
It's mainly due to the wiki splitting hairs more than anything else. Most other power scaling circles realize it's usually alright to just apply most transformations to every stat.
 
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
The Wiki accepts the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 multipliers provided by the Super Exciting Guide as contradicting their in-universe portrayals (e.g., Gohan turning a stomp around against Cell with a supposedly 2x multiplier; SSJ Gohan cannot, under any circumstance, be comparable to Perfect Cell).

but like hahaha...
 
The Wiki accepts the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 multipliers provided by the Super Exciting Guide as contradicting their in-universe portrayals (e.g., Gohan turning a stomp around against Cell with a supposedly 2x multiplier; SSJ Gohan cannot, under any circumstance, be comparable to Perfect Cell).

but like hahaha...
Also consider the fact that SSJ Gohan went from being stomped by Perfect Cell, to outpacing his powerhouse form which is his equivalent to SS Grade 3 (said form also turned around a stomp when Trunks used it, he's just too slow), and even his Super Perfect form which is incomparably stronger than his Powerhouse form, with Gohan only having just half of his power.

If SS2 Gohan is only 2x stronger than his SS state, he would've easily obliterated base Perfect Cell, since at his full power he would have the same level of power as SS2 Gohan during the beam struggle.

No matter how you look at it just the plain x2 multiplier is nonsense.
 
I don't know why you care so much about the universe being infinite or not.

The only thing that will happen when accepting this is that we will lose the calculation of the speed of that ball of universal energy and infinite speed will be treated as an outlier. Then there will be no benefit.
 
I really do think DB can get infinite universe again, the thread debunking it which got accepted isn't all that solid imo, but I'm not one to speak about translations or anything
I also think that we should resume this project so that the Universe can be infinite again and have infinite speed, as well as having infinite emptiness, according to some translators, we can achieve that the void becomes infinite again with the measurement of time that's what they told me.
 
I don't know why you care so much about the universe being infinite or not.

The only thing that will happen when accepting this is that we will lose the calculation of the speed of that ball of universal energy and infinite speed will be treated as an outlier. Then there will be no benefit.
Hell will be infinite and Goku will have infinite speed, plus we can get other things besides that, hehehe
 
Hell will be infinite and Goku will have infinite speed, plus we can get other things besides that, hehehe
I highly doubt that infinite speed will be accepted, when the infinite universe was first accepted, basically almost everyone on the staff agreed that infinite speed would be an outlier (from what I remember)

So making the universe infinite will only make verse lose several speed calculations and I don't see what concrete benefit it would give to verse, considering that we don't have 3-A characters (as far as I remember) and 2-C wouldn't be affected at all.
 
I highly doubt that infinite speed will be accepted, when the infinite universe was first accepted, basically almost everyone on the staff agreed that infinite speed would be an outlier (from what I remember)

So making the universe infinite will only make verse lose several speed calculations and I don't see what concrete benefit it would give to verse, considering that we don't have 3-A characters (as far as I remember) and 2-C wouldn't be affected at all.
Infinite speed is accepted in other circles but it'll prolly never be accepted here
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And basically everything else in the anime/manga is an anti-feat. Considering that the void is not accepted as infinite and Jiren overcoming time is through power not speed.

Since Luffy talked about Bleach. Bleach is basically just a single specific technique that reaches this speed and no one reacts/adapts to it, so it basically has no anti-feats.
 
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