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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Why can't Dr Slump scaling be used for Dragon Ball? I saw this being said on the latest AP upgrade thread that got closed, I'm just curious
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Why can't Dr Slump scaling be used for Dragon Ball? I saw this being said on the latest AP upgrade thread that got closed, I'm just curious
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I think cause it would be considered an outlier since arale scales to countless timelines into low 1c via plot manip
 
Ednaxel2 said:
How would that be considered an outlier for the canon DB series? No one scales to Arale's actual full power
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Beerus having statements that he could erase her bumping beerus to low 1c via ee that's why the thread got rejected because it was consider an outlier
 
future goku in stats equal matches is a pain in the ass ... cant wait. Getting better feats in base, new abilities while climibing the UI ladder and on top of that scaling from Roshis pseudo UI.

Bro i cant wait. I CANT WAIT.

Just a matter of time ...
 
Jinsama said:
future goku in stats equal matches is a pain in the ass ... cant wait. Getting better feats in base, new abilities while climibing the UI ladder and on top of that scaling from Roshis pseudo UI.

Bro i cant wait. I CANT WAIT.

Just a matter of time ...
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Dragon Ball anime coming and joy rising
 
Since many verses threads involving DBS Anime Goku include using multipliers on top of his 3 universe rating, I thought I'd make a full scaling chain using every accepted multiplier/amplification for this (I'll also do GT and the DBS Manga)

DBS Anime​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku then destroys a stronger condesed energy ball which was combined with his Kamehameha by breaking his limits in base - >2x
SSJ Goku - >100x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >1,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >50,000x
SSJB Kaioken x10 - >500,000x
SSJB Goku post-final future trip can fight a stronger Hit who's weaker self was superior to SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku - >500,000x
SSJB Kaioken x20 - >10,000,000x
The taboo effect of the destroyers & the tournament of power ring - 6 Universes - 1x
Suppressed Jiren can easily shake this realm just by walking - >1x
1st Awakening UI Omen Goku is comparable to this supressed Jiren - >1x
SSJB Goku after getting stronger via fights against Kefla and Anizala can push Jiren into using even more power - >1x
Base Gogeta is superior - >1x
SSJ1 Kefla is described by Whis as acting as a catalyst similar to the SSJB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb, which had served as the original basis for Goku's awakening of Ultra Instinct, she then gets over 10x stronger with SSJ2 - >10x
SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku, SSJBE Vegeta is equal to him - >20x
SSJ Gogeta - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >25,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales from him, is touted as being probably stronger than Beerus - >25,000x
Base Jiren and 3rd Awakening UI Goku are superior to all of the destroyers - >25,000x

DBS Manga​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku later on obtains the power of SSJG in base and grows even further - >1x
SSJ Goku - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
Goku Black can stomp SSJ2 Trunks and casually fight SSJ2 Vegeta - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG, Goku Black can also go SSJ - >25,000x
After training in the time chamber, SSJ Vegeta is superior to SSJ Black, Goku is comparable to him - >25,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >250,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >12,500,000x
Base Gogeta is superior - >12,500,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >125,000,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >6,250,000,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales - >6,250,000,000x
Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga SSJE Vegeta is superior, Angel Moro is superior, MUI Goku is superior - >6,250,000,000x

Toei​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
Buuhan was going to destroy the macrocosm - 1x
Ultimate Gohan is the stronger half, base Goku is comparable to SSJ3 Goku - >0.5x
SSJ Goku - >25x
SSJ2 and SSJ3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1, Kid Buu is superior - >250x
General Rilldo is superior Kid Buu - >250x
Base Goten is superior to Baby who is superior than Rilldo - >250x
SSJ Goten - >12,500x
Gohan is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Gohan - >12,500x
Base Goku is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Goku - >625,000x
SSJ2 and 3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1 - >6,250,000x
Supressed Super Baby Vegeta 2 is superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majuub can fight him - >6,250,000x
Super 17 can easily defeat Majuub, SSJ Goku can fight equally against him - >6,250,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4 are way over 10x SSJ - >62,500,000x
Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku surpasses his previous SSJ4 self in base - >62,500,000x
SSJ Goku - >3,125,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >31,250,000,000x
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Since many verses threads involving DBS Anime Goku include using multipliers on top of his 3 universe rating, I thought I'd make a full scaling chain using every accepted multiplier/amplification for this (I'll also do GT and the DBS Manga)

DBS Anime​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku then destroys a stronger condesed energy ball which was combined with his Kamehameha by breaking his limits in base - >2x
SSJ Goku - >100x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >1,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >50,000x
SSJB Kaioken x10 - >500,000x
SSJB Goku post-final future trip can fight a stronger Hit who's weaker self was superior to SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku - >500,000x
SSJB Kaioken x20 - >10,000,000x
The taboo effect of the destroyers & the tournament of power ring - 6 Universes - 1x
Suppressed Jiren can easily shake this realm just by walking - >1x
1st Awakening UI Omen Goku is comparable to this supressed Jiren - >1x
SSJB Goku after getting stronger via fights against Kefla and Anizala can push Jiren into using even more power - >1x
Base Gogeta is superior - >1x
SSJ1 Kefla is described by Whis as acting as a catalyst similar to the SSJB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb, which had served as the original basis for Goku's awakening of Ultra Instinct, she then gets over 10x stronger with SSJ2 - >10x
SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku, SSJBE Vegeta is equal to him - >20x
SSJ Gogeta - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >25,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales from him, is touted as being probably stronger than Beerus - >25,000x
Base Jiren and 3rd Awakening UI Goku are superior to all of the destroyers - >25,000x

DBS Manga​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku later on obtains the power of SSJG in base and grows even further - >1x
SSJ Goku - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
Goku Black can stomp SSJ2 Trunks and casually fight SSJ2 Vegeta - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG, Goku Black can also go SSJ - >25,000x
After training in the time chamber, SSJ Vegeta is superior to SSJ Black, Goku is comparable to him - >25,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >250,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >12,500,000x
Base Gogeta is superior - >12,500,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >125,000,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >6,250,000,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales - >6,250,000,000x
Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga SSJE Vegeta is superior, Angel Moro is superior, MUI Goku is superior - >6,250,000,000x

Toei​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
Buuhan was going to destroy the macrocosm - 1x
Ultimate Gohan is the stronger half, base Goku is comparable to SSJ3 Goku - >0.5x
SSJ Goku - >25x
SSJ2 and SSJ3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1, Kid Buu is superior - >250x
General Rilldo is superior Kid Buu - >250x
Base Goten is superior to Baby who is superior than Rilldo - >250x
SSJ Goten - >12,500x
Gohan is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Gohan - >12,500x
Base Goku is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Goku - >625,000x
SSJ2 and 3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1 - >6,250,000x
Supressed Super Baby Vegeta 2 is superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majuub can fight him - >6,250,000x
Super 17 can easily defeat Majuub, SSJ Goku can fight equally against him - >6,250,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4 are way over 10x SSJ - >62,500,000x
Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku surpasses his previous SSJ4 self in base - >62,500,000x
SSJ Goku - >3,125,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >31,250,000,000x
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You got discord?
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Beerus having statements that he could erase her bumping beerus to low 1c via ee that's why the thread got rejected because it was consider an outlier
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his 5d EE upgrade comes from actually erasing Dr mashirito, not just the statement, even if you remove that statement as an outlier, he has the pretty blatant feat of erasing someone that has resisted 5D EE

His scaling with arale is actually defensive, he got resistance to her toon force (not plot manip iirc) which is on his profile, but it's 4D because arale herself got downgraded back then, it would be 5D toon force resistance now


The outlier argument was quite weird imho, we've never seen Beerus close to his full power with his hakai, ever time he used Hakai, he erases his target pretty effortlessly. it also doesn't raise his scaling within the verse, everyone stronger than he would remain so, everyone relative to him would remain so
 
Jaakor48 said:
his 5d EE upgrade comes from actually erasing Dr mashirito, not just the statement, even if you remove that statement as an outlier, he has the pretty blatant feat of erasing someone that has resisted 5D EE

His scaling with arale is actually defensive, he got resistance to her toon force (not plot manip iirc) which is on his profile, but it's 4D because arale herself got downgraded back then, it would be 5D toon force resistance now


The outlier argument was quite weird imho, we've never seen Beerus close to his full power with his hakai, ever time he used Hakai, he erases his target pretty effortlessly. it also doesn't raise his scaling within the verse, everyone stronger than he would remain so, everyone relative to him would remain so
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I know I just gave an example which came to my mind anyway you are right should have given dr mashirito one
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Since many verses threads involving DBS Anime Goku include using multipliers on top of his 3 universe rating, I thought I'd make a full scaling chain using every accepted multiplier/amplification for this (I'll also do GT and the DBS Manga)

DBS Anime​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku then destroys a stronger condesed energy ball which was combined with his Kamehameha by breaking his limits in base - >2x
SSJ Goku - >100x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >1,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >50,000x
SSJB Kaioken x10 - >500,000x
SSJB Goku post-final future trip can fight a stronger Hit who's weaker self was superior to SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku - >500,000x
SSJB Kaioken x20 - >10,000,000x
The taboo effect of the destroyers & the tournament of power ring - 6 Universes - 1x
Suppressed Jiren can easily shake this realm just by walking - >1x
1st Awakening UI Omen Goku is comparable to this supressed Jiren - >1x
SSJB Goku after getting stronger via fights against Kefla and Anizala can push Jiren into using even more power - >1x
Base Gogeta is superior - >1x
SSJ1 Kefla is described by Whis as acting as a catalyst similar to the SSJB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb, which had served as the original basis for Goku's awakening of Ultra Instinct, she then gets over 10x stronger with SSJ2 - >10x
SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku, SSJBE Vegeta is equal to him - >20x
SSJ Gogeta - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >25,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales from him, is touted as being probably stronger than Beerus - >25,000x
Base Jiren and 3rd Awakening UI Goku are superior to all of the destroyers - >25,000x

DBS Manga​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku later on obtains the power of SSJG in base and grows even further - >1x
SSJ Goku - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
Goku Black can stomp SSJ2 Trunks and casually fight SSJ2 Vegeta - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG, Goku Black can also go SSJ - >25,000x
After training in the time chamber, SSJ Vegeta is superior to SSJ Black, Goku is comparable to him - >25,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >250,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >12,500,000x
Base Gogeta is superior - >12,500,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >125,000,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >6,250,000,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales - >6,250,000,000x
Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga SSJE Vegeta is superior, Angel Moro is superior, MUI Goku is superior - >6,250,000,000x

Toei​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
Buuhan was going to destroy the macrocosm - 1x
Ultimate Gohan is the stronger half, base Goku is comparable to SSJ3 Goku - >0.5x
SSJ Goku - >25x
SSJ2 and SSJ3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1, Kid Buu is superior - >250x
General Rilldo is superior Kid Buu - >250x
Base Goten is superior to Baby who is superior than Rilldo - >250x
SSJ Goten - >12,500x
Gohan is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Gohan - >12,500x
Base Goku is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Goku - >625,000x
SSJ2 and 3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1 - >6,250,000x
Supressed Super Baby Vegeta 2 is superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majuub can fight him - >6,250,000x
Super 17 can easily defeat Majuub, SSJ Goku can fight equally against him - >6,250,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4 are way over 10x SSJ - >62,500,000x
Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku surpasses his previous SSJ4 self in base - >62,500,000x
SSJ Goku - >3,125,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >31,250,000,000x
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I have a question, what does the scale look like for my AU on FCOC. It'll help with match up including them (it's a mix of the anime and Manga)

Minus the fact Goku and Vegeta are stronger via training with Ruby who has Ultra Synergy (a ultra form that grow stronger without limit basied on focusing on what you want to protect like Ultra Ego) sense RoF and training also alongside Raditz (whis mentioned training together makes them stronger).

They mastered Ssj blue in the universe 6 arc, lost to hit only because of not knowing time skip and Goku not having kaioken, so Ruby in Ultra Synergy beat hit

This by default makes Goku Balck stronger them cannon due to stealing a stronger gokus body (the Goku Black arc follows the same scaling as the Manga version, just stronger), Ultra Synergy Ruby Black also exists. Also Quart with SM powers (grants a ssj2 fusion dance boost on top of her current form) + ssj blue can't fight fused Zamasu, yet a post Rugeta Ultra Synergy Ruby can due to her and Vegeta getting stronger from being fused as Ultra Synergy Rugeta. In the end the fusion of Quart and Trunks in ssj blue seals away fused Zamasu (also of note Ruby went Ultra Instinct Omen and cut in half fused zamasu before dropping out of it)

The ToP is mostly the same, minus the fact Ultra Instinct Omen Ruby could actually push jiren to use more power and with Perfected Ultra Instinct she stomped Jirens full power form (also the fact SM ssj blue Quart could beat ssj2 kefla)

The Moro arc has Ruby, Raditz, Goku, Vegeta all becoming stronger then the powered up prisoners who could fight against weakened ssj goku, Vegeta and Raditz on namek 2 months ago. Also Moro absorbed 73 after getting his youth back and was forced to do that and copy Ruby's power to even knock her out of Ultra Synergy as her limitless power + her being able to make a artificial atmosphere to breath in space was a problem for Moro

After Moro 73 in Ultra Synergy (a form stronger then Perfected ssj blue) absorbed a bunch of planets after 2 months he fought against this over 50 times (beat a fusion of three people strong as weakned ssj's from the start of the arc in base) Ultra Instinct Omen Ruby and Goku and beat them and the arc plays out mostly the same and same goes for granolah arc (minus the fact that granolah and gas are stronger due to the gang being stronger then cannon and its mixed with the anime continuity)
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Since many verses threads involving DBS Anime Goku include using multipliers on top of his 3 universe rating, I thought I'd make a full scaling chain using every accepted multiplier/amplification for this (I'll also do GT and the DBS Manga)

DBS Anime​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku then destroys a stronger condesed energy ball which was combined with his Kamehameha by breaking his limits in base - >2x
SSJ Goku - >100x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >1,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >50,000x
SSJB Kaioken x10 - >500,000x
SSJB Goku post-final future trip can fight a stronger Hit who's weaker self was superior to SSJB Kaioken x10 Goku - >500,000x
SSJB Kaioken x20 - >10,000,000x
The taboo effect of the destroyers & the tournament of power ring - 6 Universes - 1x
Suppressed Jiren can easily shake this realm just by walking - >1x
1st Awakening UI Omen Goku is comparable to this supressed Jiren - >1x
SSJB Goku after getting stronger via fights against Kefla and Anizala can push Jiren into using even more power - >1x
Base Gogeta is superior - >1x
SSJ1 Kefla is described by Whis as acting as a catalyst similar to the SSJB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb, which had served as the original basis for Goku's awakening of Ultra Instinct, she then gets over 10x stronger with SSJ2 - >10x
SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku, SSJBE Vegeta is equal to him - >20x
SSJ Gogeta - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >25,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales from him, is touted as being probably stronger than Beerus - >25,000x
Base Jiren and 3rd Awakening UI Goku are superior to all of the destroyers - >25,000x

DBS Manga​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku later on obtains the power of SSJG in base and grows even further - >1x
SSJ Goku - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
Goku Black can stomp SSJ2 Trunks and casually fight SSJ2 Vegeta - >500x
SSJB is 50x SSJG, Goku Black can also go SSJ - >25,000x
After training in the time chamber, SSJ Vegeta is superior to SSJ Black, Goku is comparable to him - >25,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >250,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >12,500,000x
Base Gogeta is superior - >12,500,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >125,000,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >6,250,000,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales - >6,250,000,000x
Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga SSJE Vegeta is superior, Angel Moro is superior, MUI Goku is superior - >6,250,000,000x

Toei​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
Buuhan was going to destroy the macrocosm - 1x
Ultimate Gohan is the stronger half, base Goku is comparable to SSJ3 Goku - >0.5x
SSJ Goku - >25x
SSJ2 and SSJ3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1, Kid Buu is superior - >250x
General Rilldo is superior Kid Buu - >250x
Base Goten is superior to Baby who is superior than Rilldo - >250x
SSJ Goten - >12,500x
Gohan is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Gohan - >12,500x
Base Goku is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Goku - >625,000x
SSJ2 and 3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1 - >6,250,000x
Supressed Super Baby Vegeta 2 is superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majuub can fight him - >6,250,000x
Super 17 can easily defeat Majuub, SSJ Goku can fight equally against him - >6,250,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4 are way over 10x SSJ - >62,500,000x
Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku surpasses his previous SSJ4 self in base - >62,500,000x
SSJ Goku - >3,125,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG are way over 10x SSJ - >31,250,000,000x
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u forgot the SSJG Multiplier of 250,000x, SSJ4 Multiplier of 5,000x , and some of it is kinda messy
adding the rest here although im not 100% sure i did scaling right either so correct me if wrong

DBS Anime​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku then destroys a stronger condesed energy ball which was combined with his Kamehameha by breaking his limits in base - >2x
SSJ Goku - >100x
SSJ2, SSJ3, are way over 10x SSJ - >1,000x
SSJG is way over 500x SSJ2 = >500,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG = >2,500,000x
Goku can use a 10x Kaioken on SSJB = >25,000,000x
After the Goku Black arc, SSJB Goku is above his previous SSJBKK10x Self = >25,000,000x
Goku can use a Kaioken 20x on his SSJB = >500,000,000x
The taboo effect of the destroyers & the tournament of power ring - 6 Universes - >1x
Suppressed Jiren can easily shake this realm just by walking - >1x
1st Awakening UI Omen Goku is comparable to this supressed Jiren - >1x
SSJB Goku after getting stronger via fights against Kefla and Anizala can push Jiren into using even more power - >1x
Base Gogeta is superior - >1x
SSJ1 Kefla is described by Whis as acting as a catalyst similar to the SSJB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb, which had served as the original basis for Goku's awakening of Ultra Instinct, she then gets over 10x stronger with SSJ2 - >10x
SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku, SSJBE Vegeta is equal to him - >20x
SSJ Gogeta - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3 are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJG is way over 500x SSJ2 = >250,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >12,500,000x
FPSSJ Broly downscales from him, is touted as being probably stronger than Beerus - >12,500,000x
Base Jiren and 3rd Awakening UI Goku are superior to all of the destroyers - >12,500,000x

DBS Manga​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
SSJG Goku and Beerus threaten to destroy the macrocosm, Goku later on obtains the power of SSJG in base and grows even further - >1x
SSJ Goku - >50x
SSJ2, SSJ3 are way over 10x SSJ - >500x
SSJG is 500x SSJ2 = >250,000x
Goku Black can stomp SSJ2 Trunks and casually fight SSJ2 Vegeta - >500x
Goku Black can also go SSJ - >25,000x
Black then also uses his own version of SSJB, SSJR = >625,000,000x
After training in the time chamber, SSJB Vegeta is superior to SSJR Black, Goku is comparable to him - >625,000,000x
Base Gogeta is superior - >625,000,000x
SSJ Gogeta is 50x base Vegeta = >31,250,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3, are way over 10x SSJ - >312,500,000,000x
SSJG is 500x SSJ2 = >156,250,000,000,000,000x
SSJB is 50x SSJG - >7,812,500,000,000,000,000
FPSSJ Broly downscales - >7,812,500,000,000,000,000
Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga SSJE Vegeta is superior, Angel Moro is superior, MUI Goku is superior - >7,812,500,000,000,000,000
Everyone else Upscales from this after

Toei​

The macrocosm = 3 Universes - 1x
Buuhan was going to destroy the macrocosm - 1x
Ultimate Gohan is the stronger half, base Goku is comparable to SSJ3 Goku - >0.5x
SSJ Goku - >25x
SSJ2 and SSJ3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1, Kid Buu is superior - >250x
General Rilldo is superior Kid Buu - >250x
Base Goten is superior to Baby who is superior than Rilldo - >250x
SSJ Goten - >12,500x
Gohan is superior - >12,500x
SSJ Gohan - >625,000x
Base Goku is superior - >625,000x
SSJ Goku - >31,250,000x
SSJ2 and 3 are way over 10x stronger than SSJ1 - >312,500,000x
Supressed Super Baby Vegeta 2 is superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majuub can fight him - >312,500,000x
Golden Great Ape is 10x SSJ3 = >3,125,000,000x
SSJ4 is above Golden Great Ape = >3,125,000,000x
Super 17 can easily defeat Majuub, SSJ4 Goku can fight equally against him - >3,125,000,000x
Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku surpasses his previous SSJ4 self in base - >3,125,000,000x
SSJ Goku - >156,250,000,000x
SSJ2, SSJ3 are way over 10x SSJ - >1,562,500,000,000x
SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3 = >15,625,000,000,000
SSJG is 500x SSJ2 = >781,250,000,000,000x
 
Brogeefrong said:
u forgot the SSJG Multiplier of 250,000x, SSJ4 Multiplier of 5,000x , and some of it is kinda messy
adding the rest here although im not 100% sure i did scaling right either so correct me if wrong
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The SSJ4 multiplier of 10x SSJ3 is not accepted iicr on this wiki, nor is using fusion multiplier for SSJG
 
Are there any speed feats we could use to upgrade the Z manga? There's only one I could find (credits to Chiraq on CSaP):

When Shin was talking to Piccolo and Vegeta about Buu, he tells them how much of a destructive force Buu is and how he destroyed countless worlds and entire galaxies in a few short years. He also destroyed each planet/star in the galaxy as the kanji for planet/star shows up (Hoshi).

Calc 1 (If we interpret it as star)​

A "few" means a small number of so right now we can low ball it to 3 years. The distance between us and the nearest star is 4.367 light years. There are over 250 billion stars on average in a galaxy.

250 billion x 4.367 = 1.0917e12 light years that he traveled or 1.0328279456916e+28 meters.

Each year has 31,536,000 seconds, and there are three of those so 94,608,000 seconds.

1.0328279456916e+28 meters/ 94,608,000 seconds = 1.09169e20 m/s.

1.09169e20 m/s / 3e8 m/s = 36,389,700,000c or Massively FTL+

Calc 2 (If we interpret it as planet)​

A "few" means a small number of so right now we can low ball it to 3 years. The distance between us and the nearest planet is 67,000,000km. There is at least 800 billion planets in the average in a galaxy.

800 billion x 67,000,000 = 5.36e+19km that he traveled or 5.36e+22 meters.

Each year has 31,536,000 seconds, and there are three of those so 94,608,000 seconds.

5.36e+22 meters / 94,608,000 seconds = 5.70213e+20 m/s

5.70213e+20 m/s converted to c is = 1,902,025,834,152c or Massively FTL+

There isn't much proof that he did destroy each planet and star one by one, that's only presented in the anime which already has universe crossing feats by this point
 
Brogeefrong said:
Also pretty sure that was never concluded or something
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On one of Null’s thread SSJ2 was accepted as double of Grade 3. The original basis of the thread was that Base Vegito is a bigger amp than SSJ3 and Vegito turned SSJ3. SSJG being a bigger amp above SSJ3 Vegito.
 
I always had a thought that top tier Buu Saga characters like Gohan (Potential Unleashed), Goku (Super Saiyan 3), Buu (Kid), and others should've been Galaxy level.

Kid Buu destroy planets and star one by one because he simply enjoys annihilate those populated worlds one by one, if he want, he would nuke the Galaxy
 
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