Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Killerdrone123]

so you think he can just literally ONE SHOT them? crazy

Up until belmod I think he can in his full power not to mention he was 1 vs 11 them all

 

[SirAlex09]

Do you guys believe that beerus can one shot all gods of destruction?

For Manga: Yes, everyone except Belmod and Quitela and Champa who are equal to or somewhat weaker in Champa's case than him.
For Anime: They are all relative

 

[TiltedFN]

Up until belmod I think he can in his full power not to mention he was 1 vs 11 them all

he was dodging, but thats it really, and he punched champa and he was fine later, but sidra no diff blocks his attack with his barrier, and they can all damage each other, i think they are all relative.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Do you guys believe that beerus can one shot all gods of destruction?

Beerus solos all the Gods of destruction, we saw this happening in the manga where he was able to fight a lot at once, I believe in terms of power and skill no one can win the Beerus among the Gods of destruction

The only time Beerus lost was in an arm wrestle with the mouse there

 

[TiltedFN]

For Manga: Yes, everyone except Belmod and Quitela and Champa who are equal to or somewhat weaker in Champa's case than him.
For Anime: They are all relative

i think its the other way around lol, all the gods are actually able to damage each other, all pretty beat up, except for belmod who still tanked an attack from liquiir.

 

[Killerdrone123]

he was dodging, but thats it really, and he punched champa and he was fine later, but sidra no diff blocks his attack with his barrier, and they can all damage each other, i think they are all relative.

The thing is jiren is stated to be stronger then belmod even in manga iirc and if beerus can bully post moro arc vegeta like he did and is stronger then goku throws the whole they are relative in power out of the window

 

[TiltedFN]

Beerus solos all the Gods of destruction, we saw this happening in the manga where he was able to fight a lot at once, I believe in terms of power and skill no one can win the Beerus among the Gods of destruction

The only time Beerus lost was in an arm wrestle with the mouse there

he can' do it a once though, he did dodge for a bit, but champa can tank his punch and be fine, sidra blocked his attack

 

[Fezzih_007]

that is anime, cause they don't have time to show cool stuffs, in game and manga they use haxes often, also having haxes is pointless if the guy in front of you resist everything

I was talking about the manga too. Like, i not saying they don't use hax, is that even trought they have, the end result in one guy beating the other by punching really hard almost all battles;

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i think its the other way around lol, all the gods are actually able to damage each other, all pretty beat up, except for belmod who still tanked an attack from liquiir.

Belmod He's a coward, he had to pretend to be defeated throughout the fight to avoid getting hurt, like Krillin, he only has bravery, but in the end he's a coward

 

[Killerdrone123]

he can' do it a once though, he did dodge for a bit, but champa can tank his punch and be fine, sidra blocked his attack

I mean ki barriers have shown to block attacks coming from a stronger foe though

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

he can' do it a once though, he did dodge for a bit, but champa can tank his punch and be fine, sidra blocked his attack

I believe he is the mouse, he was the only one left there

 

[SirAlex09]

i think its the other way around lol, all the gods are actually able to damage each other, all pretty beat up, except for belmod who still tanked an attack from liquiir.

Sorry for not making my statement clear. You can oneshot someone even if you are relative to him.

If we look at the Radditz fight, Piccolo was like 5 % stronger with his Special beam canon than Radditz and basically "oneshot" him with it. So Beerus being capable of one shotting them doesn't mean they aren't equal.

 

[TiltedFN]

Belmod He's a coward, he had to pretend to be defeated throughout the fight to avoid getting hurt, like Krillin, he only has bravery, but in the end he's a coward

i mean belmod literally blocks a rapid fire attack no diff

 

[TiltedFN]

Sorry for not making my statement clear. You can oneshot someone even if you are relative to him.

If we look at the Radditz fight, Piccolo was like 5 % stronger with his Special beam canon than Radditz and basically "oneshot" him with it. So Beerus being capable of one shotting them doesn't mean they aren't equal.

yeah but he hit champa and it wasn't a one shot iirc, but i see what you are saying, personally don't think the gods are capable of just straight up one shotting each other, if that were the case, there wouldn't have been a fight at all lol

 

[SirAlex09]

I believe he is the mouse, he was the only one left there

He still took a supposedly killing blow with no damage and went fake k.o.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i mean belmod literally blocks a rapid fire attack no diff

Really, out of everyone he is the quickest to hide and maybe that's why he beats his opponents, wait for them all to get tired before landing a fatal blow

 

[SirAlex09]

yeah but he hit champa and it wasn't a one shot iirc, but i see what you are saying, personally don't think the gods are capable of just straight up one shotting each other, if that were the case, there wouldn't have been a fight at all lol

Wasn't the one shot statement refering strictly to that huge charged blast he fired?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The thing is jiren is stated to be stronger then belmod even in manga iirc and if beerus can bully post moro arc vegeta like he did and is stronger then goku throws the whole they are relative in power out of the window

Then it cuts to V-Jump saying that Black Frieza and Co. are only close to the GoD level.

lol

 

[Killerdrone123]

Then it cuts to V-Jump saying that Black Frieza and Co. are only close to the GoD level.

lol

I think they mean beerus rather than other g.o.d cause this heavily contradicts t.o.p statements

Like bruh why is super so contradictory when it comes to god of destructions

 

[TiltedFN]

Wasn't the one shot statement refering strictly to that huge charged blast he fired?

i wasn't really talking about that though, we dont know if it would have one shot them all tbh, they definitely would have been damaged.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I think they mean beerus rather than other g.o.d cause this heavily contradicts t.o.p statements

Even if it's just beerus, it's already contradictory.

Furthermore, from the translations I saw, it was referring to the GoD in general. So until a wiki translator says otherwise, that's it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I think we should stop being desperate for trying to climb mere mortals above a God

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Beerus is the one punch man of the G.O.D

 

[Jeune_fou]

I'd like to go back to what that person said 1 or 2 page ago about namek being at least 8.8 millions km long (it's actually a lowball because it's the distance between him (Frieza) and someone, not the actual size of the planet so unless he is at the other side compared to that person, namek is likely even bigger than that. But if we pretend 8.8 millions KM is what you'd need to cross to get to the other side of planet namek it means Namek's radius is 8.8 millions KM (assuming the device does not consider circumference and does it "as the crow flies").

Earth's radius is 6 371.0097714 km
if Namek's radious is 8 829 401 km it's 1385.8715206553 times bigger than the earth's radius so in terms of Volume, Namek is a "sphere" that can contain 2 661 760 100 times planet Earth. Which makes it 2 000 (since the shun can contain a bit more than 1 200 000 planet Earth in volume) times more voluminous than the sun. If we estimate the sun is a small star then since planet namek is 2 000 times more voluminous, according to our page about attack potency Frieza is large star level (lowest small star level is 7.505x10 to the 30th power (in terms of energy in tonnes of TNT equivalent). And to reach large star level you need to get 7.605x10 to the 32nd power. Multiplying it by 2 000 is more than enough. Frieza even at Namek Saga in his final form and anyone who scales above or around him is large star level easily.

Edit stupid mistake: 8.8 millions would be Namek's diameter not namek's radius. Still I believe it qualifies for large star level

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I mean for one someone just called Daima 'Dragon Ball Diape'r so it's ******* spreading. But reddit has been having some goofy opinions that boil down to lack of reading comprehension

Dragon Ball Z fans by default have reading comprehension equivalent of 10 years old, mostly.

 

[Mearex]

It would be cool to see the Dragon Team get new haxes, instead of just another multiplier.

respectfully disagree. Dragon ball has always been about true strength and martial arts, as opposed to resorting to cheap tricks

now if we're talking skills and techniques, that's fitting for DB, but not straight up hax

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The characters' best hax is punching their enemies in the face or nullifying attacks with higher ki

 

[NishizumiShiho]

respectfully disagree. Dragon ball has always been about true strength and martial arts, as opposed to resorting to cheap tricks

now if we're talking skills and techniques, that's fitting for DB, but not straight up hax

Well, a technique that allows Goku and co punch through space-time without being vague would be cool.

 

[Mearex]

Well, a technique that allows Goku and co punch through space-time without being vague would be cool.

didn't gogeta and broly already do that? I don't think that's a technique, it's just being strong.

 

[Mearex]

The characters' best hax is punching their enemies in the face or nullifying attacks with higher ki

Honestly though, I feel like being able to overcome any hax just by being physically more powerful is THE perfect ability for DB characters (and it's just incredibly badass in general). Problem is a lot of people don't buy it cuz it's not explicitly stated (despite the overwhelming evidence)

 

[NishizumiShiho]

didn't gogeta and broly already do that? I don't think that's a technique, it's just being strong.

That's just being so strong. I need an actual technique like Zamasu dimensional cracks or portal or Janemba hax.

Janemba has great hax and he's not sticking like sore thumb proved hax can be incorporated in DBS.

Honestly though, I feel like being able to overcome any hax just by being physically more powerful is THE perfect ability for DB characters (and it's just incredibly badass in general). Problem is a lot of people don't buy it cuz it's not explicitly stated (despite the overwhelming evidence)

This can't work in crossverse vs debates obviously, otherwise it would be just nlf.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Honestly though, I feel like being able to overcome any hax just by being physically more powerful is THE perfect ability for DB characters (and it's just incredibly badass in general). Problem is a lot of people don't buy it cuz it's not explicitly stated (despite the overwhelming evidence)

Brother even if it was explicitly stated people would only call it an in verse mechanic and the whole dragon ball haxs having weakness thing would rise again

 

[Spinoirr]

It would be cool to see the Dragon Team get new haxes, instead of just another multiplier.

Reminds me when I made Vegeta a ability that fits Dragon ball and his personality in my crossover au

 

[RedReaper616]

That's just being so strong. I need an actual technique like Zamasu dimensional cracks or portal or Janemba hax.

Janemba has great hax and he's not sticking like sore thumb proved hax can be incorporated in DBS.

This can't work in crossverse vs debates obviously, otherwise it would be just nlf.

I think it’s amazingly funny people think Hax doesn’t work in DB when like Cell, Buu, Hit, and Black rely on both hax and raw power. I mean. Hell, Dragon Ball started on the concept of gimmicky (haxy) opponents for the gang to fight, like Super Stink or the Devilmite Beam.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I think it’s amazingly funny people think Hax doesn’t work in DB when like Cell, Buu, Hit, and Black rely on both hax and raw power. I mean. Hell, Dragon Ball started on the concept of gimmicky (haxy) opponents for the gang to fight, like Super Stink or the Devilmite Beam.

I knew they exist, but that's mostly for major villain while the Heroes do have hax, they rarely used it

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.

That's why they were dependent on scouts and so on.

I think Cell should have more, considering that he has the DNA of several, it would be interesting if he also had that ki absorption.

Babibi and Boo had hax.

Boo was a completely unconventional enemy. It could absorb others, turn them into chocolate and had good enough regeneration that raw power alone wasn't necessary to defeat it (at least until the Genki Dama)

Beerus has destruction energy that gives him a lot of power.

Hit has a wide variety of hax such as time skip, time stop, the time cage, that pocket dimension

Black has the scythe to cut through spacetime + clones, and Zamasu has that broken immortality.

Jiren is the only one who is practically pure power.

I'm satisfied with the skills. What I wanted more from Dragon Ball would be more martial arts, to accentuate that more.

Goku is a great martial artist, but that practically doesn't matter in fights. The same thing happened in DBZ.

Goku was a martial artist his entire life, and in fights against Vegeta, Frieza, etc. this practically doesn't matter.

Everyone is a super martial artist even without any training and the fights barely have much focus on martial arts.

I wanted to see in DBS how through pure martial art, Goku overcomes a stronger opponent.

It could have happened and I don't remember it.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.

That's why they were dependent on scouts and so on.

I think Cell should have more, considering that he has the DNA of several, it would be interesting if he also had that ki absorption.

Babibi and Boo had hax.

Boo was a completely unconventional enemy. It could absorb others, turn them into chocolate and had good enough regeneration that raw power alone wasn't necessary to defeat it (at least until the Genki Dama)

Beerus has destruction energy that gives him a lot of power.

Hit has a wide variety of hax such as time skip, time stop, the time cage, that pocket dimension

Black has the scythe to cut through spacetime + clones, and Zamasu has that broken immortality.

Jiren is the only one who is practically pure power.

I'm satisfied with the skills. What I wanted more from Dragon Ball would be more martial arts, to accentuate that more.

Goku is a great martial artist, but that practically doesn't matter in fights. The same thing happened in DBZ.

Goku was a martial artist his entire life, and in fights against Vegeta, Frieza, etc. this practically doesn't matter.

Everyone is a super martial artist even without any training and the fights barely have much focus on martial arts.

I wanted to see in DBS how through pure martial art, Goku overcomes a stronger opponent.

It could have happened and I don't remember it.

Jiren is the only dude i can think that purely rely on raw power. Frieza too i guess

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I'd like to go back to what that person said 1 or 2 page ago about namek being at least 8.8 millions km long (it's actually a lowball because it's the distance between him (Frieza) and someone, not the actual size of the planet so unless he is at the other side compared to that person, namek is likely even bigger than that. But if we pretend 8.8 millions KM is what you'd need to cross to get to the other side of planet namek it means Namek's radius is 8.8 millions KM (assuming the device does not consider circumference and does it "as the crow flies").

Earth's radius is 6 371.0097714 km
if Namek's radious is 8 829 401 km it's 1385.8715206553 times bigger than the earth's radius so in terms of Volume, Namek is a "sphere" that can contain 2 661 760 100 times planet Earth. Which makes it 2 000 (since the shun can contain a bit more than 1 200 000 planet Earth in volume) times more voluminous than the sun. If we estimate the sun is a small star then since planet namek is 2 000 times more voluminous, according to our page about attack potency Frieza is large star level (lowest small star level is 7.505x10 to the 30th power (in terms of energy in tonnes of TNT equivalent). And to reach large star level you need to get 7.605x10 to the 32nd power. Multiplying it by 2 000 is more than enough. Frieza even at Namek Saga in his final form and anyone who scales above or around him is large star level easily.

Edit stupid mistake: 8.8 millions would be Namek's diameter not namek's radius. Still I believe it qualifies for large star level

Hmm. Since Earth is referred to as a small planet, would that mean this Namek calculation should be considered the 'base' size for an average planet in Universe 7? Or would we just treat Namek as an especially large planet?

 

[Killerdrone123]

Hmm. Since Earth is referred to as a small planet, would that mean this Namek calculation should be considered the 'base' size for an average planet in Universe 7? Or would we just treat Namek as an especially large planet?

Wasn't there statements from dodoria or zarbon telling that namek isn't big of a planet so idk what they consider a big planet

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.

Jiren is the only dude i can think that purely rely on raw power. Frieza too i guess

Even Freeza has his hax. He can paralyse beings stronger than him (GoD Toppo) via Imprisonment Ball and has also shown abilities like internal blasts via Pressure Points or Death Psycho Bomb that should negate durability via damaging internal organs. Telekinesis is also pretty damn underrated because he's always fighting opponents around his level or higher, against weaker opponents it's almost an immediate Game Over. Not to mention he's shown he's very skilled with Ki Control in general, given he naturally knew how to control his power level and can copy techniques like the Destructo Disc instantly or even control Destruction energy so he has some clear potential there for more advanced techniques.

Comparatively Jiren is a dude who just says "Screw that shit" and just overpowers everything. Well, at least he's insanely skilled at wielding that power so he isn't some dumb brute.

Wasn't there statements from dodoria or zarbon telling that namek isn't big of a planet so idk what they consider a big planet

I don't remember that, I only remember Earth being considered tiny.