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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

VinnyXD said:
I feel like this site underestimate how good Goku Analytical Prediction is actually I think he beats Garou and Mori in this department
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I don't know if it's at their level but it has a good level that could put characters with Precognition in difficulties or at least that's what I think.
 
I don't doubt Goku manga will be able to copy Haki or at least something similar. Considering he created a version of hakai without having destruction energy.
 
Goku is exceptional with abilities consisting of perception and senses, so I think It wouldn't be too difficulty for him to learn Haki
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Everyone and their mother learned it for fun so maybe Roshi just sucked ass rather than Goku being that good.
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Krillin didn't and he made the freaking destructo disk which could cut Frieza.

On top of that Raditz and Vegeta was like wtf when Goku pulled out the Kamaham
 
VinnyXD said:
Krillin didn't and he made the freaking destructo disk which could cut Frieza.

On top of that Raditz and Vegeta was like wtf when Goku pulled out the Kamaham
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While Vegeta has a similar move. And Vegeta was surprised that Goku has a similar move to him. Raditz is just useless. No idea why you would even bring him up as a support for your argument except if your argument is that Goku counts as somewhat talented compared to the patheticeness that is Raditz.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
While Vegeta has a similar move. And Vegeta was surprised that Goku has a similar move to him. Raditz is just useless. No idea why you would even bring him up as a support for your argument except if your argument is that Goku counts as somewhat talented compared to the patheticeness that is Raditz.
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Harsh.
 
Well, after all Vegeta is high class and proud of his race and Goku compares himself to him not to mention that Vegeta should also have a "genius" classification in his intelligence statistic.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
While Vegeta has a similar move. And Vegeta was surprised that Goku has a similar move to him. Raditz is just useless. No idea why you would even bring him up as a support for your argument except if your argument is that Goku counts as somewhat talented compared to the patheticeness that is Raditz.
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I bring up Raditz and Vegeta because to show it's a rare move that only the Top/Elite would know
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Harsh.
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Sometimes the only language you are left to speak is that of truth. Also considering Krillin learned Destructo disk and not kamehameha, Goku should have learned that as well instead of taking 5 episodes to charge the useless ball that is Spirit Bomb.
 
On top of that despite being pathetic Raditz and he's whole race was considered Frieza Elite force.
 
VinnyXD said:
I bring up Raditz and Vegeta because to show it's a rare move that only the Top/Elite would know
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What part of Raditz is elite? Elite trash? Also it's not a rare move. Anyone and their mother does it. Vegeta learned a similar one despite the worse martial arts of space and not having an instructor since the day his planet went kaboom.
VinnyXD said:
On top of that despite being pathetic Raditz and he's whole race was considered Frieza Elite force.
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Learn to differentiate between Saiyans being an elite force and Raditz being one. Nappa could plant 8 beings as powerful as Raditz. Raditz was trash. The only special part of him was his race and even that he let down. Raditz has all the things going for him via introducing the Saiyans and all this and still noone pays him any mind. Not even Gt referenced him, while they referenced Nappa. So please, stop bringing up Raditz. I never claimed Goku was ******** so Raditz doesn't work as a support.
 
(A capable and tactically sound fighter, serving under Frieza as a mid-class Saiyan warrior. effortlessly showcased his superior abilities to both Beginning of Z Goku and Piccolo, individually and once they were together)
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
What part of Raditz is elite? Elite trash? Also it's not a rare move. Anyone and their mother does it. Vegeta learned a similar one despite the worse martial arts of space and not having an instructor since the day his planet went kaboom.
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Him and he's whole race is consider elite.

I mean besides all the fighters/characters that can't do it.

It took piccolo years to make a move comparable
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Sometimes the only language you are left to speak is that of truth. Also considering Krillin learned Destructo disk and not kamehameha, Goku should have learned that as well instead of taking 5 episodes to charge the useless ball that is Spirit Bomb.
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But he did learn the kienzan.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Raditz is a mid-class saiyan
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  • Something curious about Raditz is that many official sources do not seem to agree on what Raditz's status was within the Saiyan army. Daizenshuu 7 not only says that Raditz was Low Class, but in fact he was one of the weakest Saiyans ever, while other sources say that he was Middle Class, having the same rank as Nappa.
That's somewhat contentious. Daizenshuu 7 puts him at low rank. He is either low rank or the weakest of mid ranks.
Fezzih_007 said:
But he did learn the kienzan.
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I mean he had years to. Not exactly a great feat. You could have put Kaioken and Spirit Bomb anyways which were better feats.
Cass5373 said:
It's true, Piccolo spent years preparing the makankosappo
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Which is a better move than anything Goku and Vegeta have.
 
But the facts are clear, Raditz in his fight against Piccolo and Goku was not left behind tactically and was only defeated by his overconfidence.
 
Ok, i not sure what Cass is trying to argue here. And Sherlock answers also don't really make much sense.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Something curious about Raditz is that many official sources do not seem to agree on what Raditz's status was within the Saiyan army. Daizenshuu 7 not only says that Raditz was Low Class, but in fact he was one of the weakest Saiyans ever, while other sources say that he was Middle Class, having the same rank as Nappa.
That's somewhat contentious. Daizenshuu 7 puts him at low rank. He is either low rank or the weakest of mid ranks.
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According to Toriyama, Raditz is a mid-class saiyan
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Which is a better move than anything Goku and Vegeta have.
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Tf??????

Not even including God Techniques like UI or Hakai or even self taught one's like God Bid.

The Final Flash , Gamma Burst Flash and the variation of the Kamehameha shit on the Special Beam Cannon
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
According to Toriyama, Raditz is a mid-class saiyan
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Eh, after so much time he couldn't even remember who that bitch was. I will go with something closer to the date.
VinnyXD said:
The Final Flash , Gamma Burst Flash and the variation of the Kamehameha shit on the Special Beam Cannon
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Sure. Final Flash is perfect for timing food. When it finishes charging your pasta is done. Special beam Cannon has way less charge time. Gamma Burst is good. The only variation that ***** is Instant Kamehameha.

God Bind has been used in other instances than Broly? Because Broly broke out by flexing his ki. UI he was taught so he didn't even shit. He did copy it fast. Hakai he hasn't shown in the anime. Has he even perfected it in the manga? In the anime Toppo did a pretty good one.
 
Cass5373 said:
Better move than any ki blast from either of them? That is a very impulsive statement. Can it be supported in future sagas outside of Raditz's?
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Goku did a better one with Instant Kamehameha, Vegeta maybe with Gamma Burst as I said, except if I'm forgetting any move.
 
Cass5373 said:
But the facts are clear, Raditz in his fight against Piccolo and Goku was not left behind tactically and was only defeated by his overconfidence.
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What grand tactics did he not fall behind? The ones where he didn't even bother training his tail and died like a bitch due to it? He wasn't defeated because he was overcondifent. He was defeated because he sucked spheres.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Eh, after so much time he couldn't even remember who that bitch was. I will go with something closer to the date.

Sure. Final Flash is perfect for timing food. When it finishes charging your pasta is done. Special beam Cannon has way less charge time. Gamma Burst is good. The only variation that ***** is Instant Kamehameha.

God Bind has been used in other instances than Broly? Because Broly broke out by flexing his ki. UI he was taught so he didn't even shit. He did copy it fast. Hakai he hasn't shown in the anime. Has he even perfected it in the manga? In the anime Toppo did a pretty good one.
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Trunks and Vegeta have did the Final Flash fast. Also the special beam cannon is easy to dodge compared to the Final Flash. Happy we agree on the Gamma Burst. Also Warp Kamehameha is better

We literally talked about the God Bind and Broly earlier lol.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
What grand tactics did he not fall behind? The ones where he didn't even bother training his tail and died like a bitch due to it? He wasn't defeated because he was overcondifent. He was defeated because he sucked spheres.
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Tactically he was not left behind, the fact that he will not be showing his tail does not make him any less tactically after all it was seen that his personality was that of a confident warrior.
 
VinnyXD said:
I have a feeling you don't like Raditz lol
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I have shown no actions supporting that.
Cass5373 said:
Tactically he was not left behind, the fact that he will not be showing his tail does not make him any less tactically after all it was seen that his personality was that of a confident warrior.
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Tactically he was grabbed two separate times, was playing with his food, was hit by a 4 year old child throwing a temper tantrum, didn't train his only weakness and died like a bitch begging his much weaker brother to let him live. Across all levels he is a bitch. In spirit, mind and power. A complete and utter dogshit of a being. Should have stayed on Planet Vegeta to be honest. Saiyans much more worthy died.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
I have shown no actions supporting that.

Tactically he was grabbed two separate times, was playing with his food, was hit by a 4 year old child throwing a temper tantrum, didn't train his only weakness and died like a bitch begging his much weaker brother to let him live. Across all levels he is a bitch. In spirit, mind and power. A complete and utter dogshit of a being. Should have stayed on Planet Vegeta to be honest. Saiyans much more worthy died.
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If Raditz heard you it would hurt him very, very much. Words hurt 😔
 
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