Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

JirensMom · Nov 11, 2023

How many hours left?

CryoTheMayo · Nov 11, 2023

Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Holdup, let me cook some absolute garbage, but would hits time-hax scale to 5D via it working in neutral space

Potentially. I brought up earlier that Whis states his Temporal Do-Over can't be used often because it disrupts the time axis if he does more than three minutes for a period of time. And Whis also compares Hit's time hax to his own time hax as the same ability.

There is no Time Room in Neutral Space for Hit to manipulate the spacetime of so that inherently implies he and Whis manipulate the Timeline itself. So the 'time axis' Whis refers to is the overarching timeline for the multiverse.

So as someone else brought up in response, that either reinforces the Time Rooms in the cosmology (arguing Whis manipulates the Time Room of U7 and not the overarching timeline) or it means Whis (and Hit) have 5D Time hax.

Accelerated_Evolution · Nov 11, 2023

Phsccarvalho said:
Or manipulation of conceptual space and time for daishinkan by creating the concepts of space and time in the World of Void (which had no concepts of space and time)

There is gravity in the WoV, and, since gravity is dependent on spacetime, we can assume that Daishinkan (aka Grand Priest) created a spacetime for the void.

Lord_Farquaad69420 · Nov 11, 2023

Phsccarvalho said:
Or we can do two things.

Give conceptual time hax to Hit for being able to use this in the World of Void, a world without the concepts of space and time.

Or manipulation of conceptual space and time for daishinkan by creating the concepts of space and time in the World of Void (which had no concepts of space and time)

I didn’t mention the world of void tho

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
I didn’t mention the world of void tho

Because you are thinking small.

Lord_Farquaad69420 · Nov 11, 2023

Phsccarvalho said:
Because you are thinking small.

But 5D dragonball hax tho because of UES (I believe that’s how it works or I’m just dumb)

JustANormalPerson01 · Nov 11, 2023

Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Holdup, let me cook some absolute garbage, but would hits time-hax scale to 5D via it working in neutral space

Don't know about that, but maybe Whis could have 5D time hax. Didn't he rewind Gowasu's death from U7?

The_Axiom_of_Virgo · Nov 11, 2023

JustANormalPerson01 said:
Don't know about that, but maybe Whis could have 5D time hax. Didn't he rewind Gowasu's death from U7?

~~Nah... give him 5D mittens instead.~~

ArcaneAbyss · Nov 11, 2023

Phsccarvalho said:
Or we can do two things.

Give conceptual time hax to Hit for being able to use this in the World of Void, a world without the concepts of space and time.

Or manipulation of conceptual space and time for daishinkan by creating the concepts of space and time in the World of Void (which had no concepts of space and time)

The second is what I am thinking about,

TiltedFN · Nov 11, 2023

world of void isn't even accepted to have no concepts of space and time.

Lord_Farquaad69420 · Nov 11, 2023

JustANormalPerson01 said:
Don't know about that, but maybe Whis could have 5D time hax. Didn't he rewind Gowasu's death from U7?

No, they stopped it before it happened in the oh timeline, but what’s exactly the problem with hit using time hax in neutral space?

Everything12 · Nov 11, 2023

Lacking space-time =/= lacking the concept of space-time.

TiltedFN · Nov 11, 2023

Everything12 said:
Lacking space-time =/= lacking the concept of space-time.

iirc it was a guidebook which said this

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

Everything12 said:
Lacking space-time =/= lacking the concept of space-time.

It's just that we have an official DB encyclopedia saying "does not have the concepts of space and time" for the World of the Void.

We just need to make a crt to accept this encyclopedia.

TiltedFN · Nov 11, 2023

I mean hit can manipulate time in the WoV, time clearly passes, unless y'all think the timer was special or something?

JustANormalPerson01 · Nov 11, 2023

Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
No, they stopped it before it happened in the oh timeline, but what’s exactly the problem with hit using time hax in neutral space?

Uhm, no

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

TiltedFN said:
I mean hit can manipulate time in the WoV, time clearly passes, unless y'all think the timer was special or something?

Phsccarvalho said:
Or manipulation of conceptual space and time for daishinkan by creating the concepts of space and time in the World of Void (which had no concepts of space and time)

Killerdrone123 · Nov 11, 2023

TiltedFN said:
I mean hit can manipulate time in the WoV, time clearly passes, unless y'all think the timer was special or something?

That's where gp comes in he would have created space and time for wov since he said he manipulated it so that every fighter could fit in

Lord_Farquaad69420 · Nov 11, 2023

JustANormalPerson01 said:
Uhm, no

Oh, guess I was wrong, but still doesn’t change my point about hit

TiltedFN · Nov 11, 2023

Okay we can just give it to GP then, I'm fine with this. Conceptual manip type 1.

ArcaneAbyss · Nov 11, 2023

TiltedFN said:
iirc it was a guidebook which said this

Is it an official one?

Phsccarvalho said:
It's just that we have an official DB encyclopedia saying "does not have the concepts of space and time" for the World of the Void.

We just need to make a crt to accept this encyclopedia.

Which encyclopedia is this?

TiltedFN said:
I mean hit can manipulate time in the WoV, time clearly passes, unless y'all think the timer was special or something?

GP is widely implied to have created a spacetime for them, since he created everything in that stage. AKM even agreed to this surprisingly

TiltedFN · Nov 11, 2023

This means since manga GP is above zeno, Low 1-C, conceptual manip type 1, existence erasure. Omg

JustANormalPerson01 · Nov 11, 2023

Jaakor48 said:
Is it an official one?

Which encyclopedia is this?

GP is widely implied to have created a spacetime for them, since he created everything in that stage. AKM even agreed to this surprisingly

Ottavio_Merluzzo · Nov 11, 2023

No 5-D Time hax for Hit, please.

Everything12 · Nov 11, 2023

Lovely, I'm just going to start by asking if their is a Japanese version of this.

Accelerated_Evolution · Nov 11, 2023

pineappleman said:
Arguing the difference between break and distort here is just semantics, no? The definition of distort is pulling something out of shape, here they 'distorted' the dimensional walls hard enough for a hole to be formed.

What I mean is: Gotenks and Super Buu distort the dimension itself, not a supposed dimensional barrier

JustANormalPerson01 · Nov 11, 2023

Everything12 said:
Lovely, I'm just going to start by asking if their is a Japanese version of this.

I don't recall a Japanese version existing

Ottavio_Merluzzo · Nov 11, 2023

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
No 5-D Time hax for Hit, please.

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Accelerated_Evolution · Nov 11, 2023

TheGodOfICE777 said:
Bro the daizenshuu literally mentions how the afterlife and living universe are hermetically sealed together this again is not something unique to the anime Idk why you’re asserting it is. The way they escape the RoSaT in the anime and manga is deadass the same like there’s no differences. The only thing the anime does different is build on this with the Buuhan feat.

Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere, so the veracity of the scan is debatable, in addition to the fact that, according to a person who supposedly owns a Daizenshuu, it only says this on page 72 of volume 4

In the end it's all, what Daizeenshuu "says" is that there is a barrier that separates the Other world and the living universe, but it doesn't associate it with dimensional barriers or even mentions other dimensional barriers

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

Everything12 said:
Lovely, I'm just going to start by asking if their is a Japanese version of this.

We already have non-Japanese but official DB stuff etc. accepted on the wiki.

Like the super muscular SSJ multiplier that I forgot the name of.

So I don't see a problem with not being Japanese.

Accelerated_Evolution · Nov 11, 2023

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
No 5-D Time hax for Hit, please.

Agree

Ss3micah · Nov 11, 2023

Phsccarvalho said:
We already have non-Japanese but official DB stuff etc. accepted on the wiki.

Like the super muscular SSJ multiplier that I forgot the name of.

So I don't see a problem with not being Japanese.

There really isn’t an issue since it’s still officially information

It’s just generally frowned upon and Japanese information is usually preferred as it’s the original source material language.

But overall, if there is no contradiction provided by the information presented then it be accepted

That’s pretty much how Grade 3 multiplier got accepted

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

007_Sulista said:
Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere, so the veracity of the scan is debatable, in addition to the fact that, according to a person who supposedly owns a Daizenshuu, it only says this on page 72 of volume 4

In the end it's all, what Daizeenshuu "says" is that there is a barrier that separates the Other world and the living universe, but it doesn't associate it with dimensional barriers or even mentions other dimensional barriers

Honestly, I don't like how almost everything we have from "Daizenshuu" is because x guy or website said so.

We don't know if he just took the text that was in Daizenshuu and translated it or made his own text based on what he saw and what he knows about the series.

We also have little or no raw of important pages.

This opens up many loopholes with the new rule that material is no longer accessible.

According to the new rules, it could very well be argued that there is no way to verify the source material, as the raw or the translation over the Daizenshuu scan (and not just text), is no longer usable material.

Phsccarvalho · Nov 11, 2023

Ss3micah said:
There really isn’t an issue since it’s still officially information

It’s just generally frowned upon and Japanese information is usually preferred as it’s the original source material language.

But overall, if there is no contradiction provided by the information presented then it be accepted

That’s pretty much how Grade 3 multiplier got accepted

That's why I told Everything12 that being Japanese doesn't matter. At least for DB so far.

Nullflowerblush · Nov 11, 2023

007_Sulista said:
Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere