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Interesting, but, from what i see, there is nothing relative to the universe in any "page 72" from the links
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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This scan is one of the classics of DB powerscalling
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Oh god cm type 1 and 5d hax yall gotta stop tryna cook please
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This. You guys are just gonna mess up everything istg.
ZetaMarishi
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Im'ma be honest, we already got a meal, y'all need to get out of the kitchen for a while.
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So.... We are talking about something we agree?
I know a place where there is an complete and readable version of the El Manga Legendario, what make use information from it very easy
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If only we had access to the complete chouzenshuu raws too...
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True, it would make the "Daizenshuu scans" very easy to check
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why can’t I cook 5D hit 
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Because it's wrong, get rekt.why can’t I cook 5D hit
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I personally feel like trying to slap 5-D L1-C on anyone other than Zeno and Arale for canon is just wrong. Zamasu did venture across the Timelines, but that’s range. And Hit’s powers do affect areas only bound by the Hypertimeline, but he does all of his Time Skip abilities via his own personal time dimension he brings with him. We see this when he fights Goku in the rematch and Goku literally shatters it. Him using it in those areas isn’t a feat for hax—It’s just proof he can use the shiz anywhere.
Super Shenron is at most circumstantial, and the Angels are a maybe—Because Whis does seemly affect the Hypertimeline with his Do-Over. But even that seems like jumping the shark until we have more evidence.
Super Shenron is at most circumstantial, and the Angels are a maybe—Because Whis does seemly affect the Hypertimeline with his Do-Over. But even that seems like jumping the shark until we have more evidence.
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BECAUSE THE BEST COOK IN THE WORLD WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED!!!why can’t I cook 5D hit
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Nullflowerblush
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The page count for the Daizenshuu 4 listing is behind by four pages.
"DBワールドは独特の世界観を持っている。4つのエリアに分かれた大宇宙、大宇宙を見守るあの世あの世と宇宙の周りをめぐる界王神界。目を見張る数々の世界を紹介しよう。", or "The DB World has a unique worldview: a macrocosm divided into four areas, an afterlife that watches over the macrocosm, and a world of Supreme Kai that surrounds the universe. Let us introduce you to some of the many spectacular worlds."
What you are looking for is page 44 of the Daizenshuu 7, which reads: "大世ドラゴンボールの世界では、宇宙はあの世の下に位置し、不思議な文様の刻まれた壁によって密閉されている。", or "In the world of the Dragon Ball, the universe is located below the afterlife and is hermetically sealed by a wall inscribed with strange patterns."
密閉 = "airtight", which is a synonym for "hermetic".
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Firstly, only Zeno and arale scale to low 1c,
As for the bolded, the issue is that hit used his basic time skip, which allows him take and store time in his own Dimension, and he used it in the neutrak zone, if he was using it on the hypertimeline axis, it means he was storing the higher temporal energy from there
When he faced Goku in the rematch, he simply didn't skip, but used the time he collected tonight and attack
We don't have concrete proof that whis' do-over spans the hypertimeline yet, aside from scaling from hit since he said hit's abilities are similar to his
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HOW TF WOULD MY GOAT BE DISAPPOINTED IN 5D DRAGONBALL
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Also, since Ariel is getting her 5D hax back, wouldn’t beerus’s 5D existence erasure come back like how it was originally
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That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.
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Iirc it was accepted that beerus scales, it’s just that Ariel got downgraded
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Let be try to extract as much as I can from the 5D timeline bro
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i mean, in the manga it's like verbatim stated, and im pretty sure zeno being above GP was like authority.
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Yes.
Anyways,Hit has 0 proof of affecting the Hypertimeline. So y'all stop it, thanks.
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oh god not again, please no.
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YOU WILL COOK PRODUCT ONLY 90% PURE STUFF!!!
Nullflowerblush
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OK, thanks
Nullflowerblush
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About time room, does it exist in the manga?
Serlock_Holmes
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Please do. We should do our best to refor....I mean inform that person!
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No, I already covered this pages ago. When people refer to Zeno’s power and his relevance to others, it’s specifically the fact he’s an unkillable god being that can erase ANYTHING—No exceptions.
He is the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE. This is reiterated several times.
HOWEVER, as stated by Beerus and Whis, he is not a FIGHTER. He is not fast or strong in the conventional sense, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. We see this quite clearly in the ToP, where he was a non-combatant who couldn’t observe the fights, and relied on a keyed up IPad. He cannot hit hard, fire lasers, or move quickly, but he is still the most powerful.
That quite literally means that when Whis said his father was the “most powerful” he meant as a conventional fighter.
This is further established when they talk about Ultra Instinct—Goku’s at the bottom of the latter, Whis is higher, and his father above him. Simply put—The Grand Priest is the best fighter/warrior. The Omni King is the most powerful creature.
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It wont let me open it for some reason I dunno why
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It's cited in the daizenshuu, if that's helpful.
Serlock_Holmes
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I'm happy this thread got traction at least.
Nullflowerblush
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Anime-only.
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Why didn't anyone use Trunks' mention? Mine, it literally tells different stories generates dift time flow
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That would be NullFlowerblush's post being quoted.i open up this page and my laptop asks me if i want to translate this page from chinese to english
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Daizenshuu is a guide for both anime and manga, so it would include information from both
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It was actually accepted
But then the very same day a downgrade thread on arale happened and then he lost it
Not sure how it'll okay out now tho
First off, it is the default assumption that Zeno, like everything and their mothers in dragon ball, uses ki, not sure why there would be an assumption that he doesn't use it too, his abilities may simply ignore any strengths or weaknesses one has while erasing, but to say he doesn't have it use ki is a reach that needs explicit proof
Secondly, "cannot hit hard" to a guy that was finger flicking planets to oblivion with chess?
As to the GP vs Zeno thing
Pretty sure future Zeno nuked both the GP as everyone else in the timelines either way, as he was all alone that Goku brought him to his own timeline
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