Infinite Zamasu potential upgrade

[StrymULTRA]

Tried once previously but got chocked to death coz Forum Move.

Infinite Zamasu should be upgraded to "would eventually become 2-C, potentially 2-B" because:

• Zamasu knew about other timelines other than his and Present one, we see this in the Ep 54 when Gowasu makes Zamasu know about the alternate timelines.
• Zamasu wanted to spread justice all over the places he went in, since he already wiped out all the life of Universe 7, so why should he stop to just that? He clearly wanted to make all the timelines "cleared from mortals" from his justice, so there's no reason for him to wipe out just 2 timelines and let the others have mortals.

Despite the proof being poor here, it still has some possibilities, since nothing stated that Zamasu would have stopped there, and he would have potentially spread to all the timelines of the Dragon Ball reality, which, despite not being infinite like in Xenoverse/Heroes, they're still be in countless range because of MWI being used.

AP/Durability and Type 9 Size would be in this case x12-18 times Countless 2-B because of timelines having this much Low 2-C structures each.

TLDR:

• Infinite Zamasu gets upgraded to Low 2-C, would eventually become 2-C, potentially 2-B
• Infinite Zamasu gets his range upgraded to "At least Universal+, likely Low Multiversal, possibly Multiversal"

 

[KingTempest]

Many different futures are created over the smallest of things.

These universes haven't been created yet, which is why there was only like 6 time rings in there.

And this scales to many more people than IZ. Scales to Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, GoDs, and many more.

 

[StrymULTRA]

These universes haven't been created yet, which is why there was only like 6 time rings in there.

We actually see a lot of boxes which most likely contain the rings.

And this scales to many more people than IZ. Scales to Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, GoDs, and many more.

No one here scales to Zamasu's current overtime 2-C feat, this upgrade is only to extend said feat.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I remember that a white space is shown with several time rings. There are not only 6

 

[StrymULTRA]

I remember that a white space is shown with several time rings. There are not only 6

Yup

 

[KingTempest]

Nvm then, looks fine

 

[Orange]

Many different futures are created over the smallest of things.

These universes haven't been created yet, which is why there was only like 6 time rings in there.

And this scales to many more people than IZ. Scales to Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, GoDs, and many more.

Created, doesn't mean they already exist, are existing and will exist?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Agree with the upgrades for 2B IZ overtime.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

I agree

 

[AKM sama]

I remember that a white space is shown with several time rings. There are not only 6

We don't know what's there in the other boxes. Maybe more time rings, but we don't know.

Secondly, we don't give tiers on a slim chance that Zamasu might have covered more universes. We don't know that. We don't know if he is even capable of doing that. We only saw him cover one universe completely and that's it. In fact, he didn't even start covering the present U7 so his eventually 2-C rating should be removed as well.

 

[InfiniteDay]

That's it own thread in it of itself. I am neutral with the upgrades.

 

[Alphaapexnep00]

We don't know what's there in the other boxes. Maybe more time rings, but we don't know.

Secondly, we don't give tiers on a slim chance that Zamasu might have covered more universes. We don't know that. We don't know if he is even capable of doing that. We only saw him cover one universe completely and that's it. In fact, he didn't even start covering the present U7 so his eventually 2-C rating should be removed as well.

I don't think is 2-c rating should be removed. He was clearly shown breaching to the present but was stopped. That's why he didn't cover it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We don't know what's there in the other boxes. Maybe more time rings, but we don't know.

Secondly, we don't give tiers on a slim chance that Zamasu might have covered more universes. We don't know that. We don't know if he is even capable of doing that. We only saw him cover one universe completely and that's it. In fact, he didn't even start covering the present U7 so his eventually 2-C rating should be removed as well.

Possibly: Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly.

Aka the possibility exists, but we can't know because of it being too vague. Same with the scene, we don't know if Zamasu was going to expand to them all or just restricted to just one or few, we can't know due of lack of details and you can argue each of them infinitely.

Also as Alpha said, Zamasu is implied to expanding to the Present Timeline like he did with the U7, since he appeared there in a similar fashion.

 

[AKM sama]

Breaching, as in appearing in a portal. That's above baseline Low 2-C. We don't know if he would have become one more universe or even if he's capable of doing so. It's just an assumption based hypothetical rating.

The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild.

And in this case, the possibility is close to negligible. It only stems from the assumption that "it could be". We don't give Saitama tier 4 because "he could be". There should be a believable basis for that possibility to work, apart from hypothetical assumptions.

 

[StrymULTRA]

And in this case, the possibility is close to negligible. It only stems from the assumption that "it could be". We don't give Saitama tier 4 because "he could be".

False equivalence as that comes from a DVD description, aka non canon. Zamasu here has some basis in canon instead.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes I agree

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with AKM sama

 

[AKM sama]

False equivalence as that comes from a DVD description, aka non canon. Zamasu here has some basis in canon instead.

What basis? And no, that doesn't come from anywhere except "he could possibly be strong enough to blow a solar system".

 

[StrymULTRA]

What basis?

What shown in OP maybe?

 

[StrymULTRA]

And no, that doesn't come from anywhere except "he could possibly be strong enough to blow a solar system".

That's a baseless assumption based on nothing. This upgrade instead has enough basis to get a possibly rating.

 

[AKM sama]

No, this upgrade and the eventual 2-C rating, both are also based on the same kind of baseless assumptions as I've already pointed out.

 

[StrymULTRA]

No, this upgrade and the eventual 2-C rating, both are also based on the same kind of baseless assumptions as I've already pointed out.

Except that we see Zamasu trying to enter in the present. Why would he just make a spooky appearance if he wanted to destroy all the mortals across any part he knew about

 

[AKM sama]

What he wants does not have any bearing on what he is able to do or can do.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We saw the scene. He expanded to the universe, then destroyed anything he could to. Then he appeared to the Present timeline, and was having the same effect on the present as stated from Beerus, meaning that he was about to do the same with the present timeline. Saying that he can't is more an assumption than saying that he was gonna expand to the timeline and do the same when he did with Universe 7.

 

[AKM sama]

an effect =/= same effect

Of course it's having an effect, we can see that. However, that is not the same effect and nowhere does it say he is capable of expanding throughout all of U7.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Proof that it's not? We didn't saw him doing anything else, so is logical to think that he was gonna do the same.

 

[AKM sama]

You realize you're asking me to prove a negative? That's not how things work. You need to prove the positive. All we see is that he breached the distance and appeared in a portal in U7. Now prove that he is capable and has the strength of doing the same to U7 as he did to U10. Prove that he can become 2-C from Low 2-C. If no proof exists, the rating is baseless.

Forget proof, there is not even a hint existing that supports that idea. It's all based on hypothetical assumption of "maybe he could".

 

[StrymULTRA]

AKM ngl, you're asking for a negative here. Zamasu expanded through the U7, and then nuked anything in it, then appeared in the Present timeline, and then? What else was he gonna do except expanding throught and destroying it? Give something which hints on him not doing so when it was clearly the intent lmao, because he did nothing else which can suggest otherwise.

 

[AKM sama]

Uh no. Zamasu expanding through U10 is fine and all. That shows he has the strength to become one universe, to become Low 2-C.

Now where is the proof that he has the strength and capability of becoming two universes at the same time? If somebody can destroy one universe, do we automatically assume they have the strength to destroy 2? No we don't.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If somebody can destroy one universe, do we automatically assume they have the strength to destroy 2? No we don't.

...because that's an overtime feat lol. Him already appearing in the Present already suggest that he was gonna pass to the second timeline, otherwise why would he appear there? Just to make a spooky appearance?

 

[AKM sama]

No. Him appearing in present only suggests that he has the strength and capability of being above baseline Low 2-C. Why he appears is a meaningless question. He wanted to destroy as much as he could, doesn't mean he has the power to. Nothing suggests he has the strength and capability of being 2 universes at the same time.

Again, you are working with pure assumptions here.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I agree with AKM sama. Zamasu is only shown fusing with Universe 7. At best him appearing in other universes is just range.

 

[Planck69]

Agree with AKM sama.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why he appears is a meaningless question. He wanted to destroy as much as he could, doesn't mean he has the power to. Nothing suggests he has the strength and capability of being 2 universes at the same time.

No one is saying he was gonna do so at the same time. I'm saying that him overtime would have merged with 2 from only one. Like he apperaed in the U7 and merged with it, he did the same with the Present, and would have passed from Low 2-C to 2-C in an unknown time frame before Zeno killed him.

Simple as that, is based on how Zamasu already did with U7.

 

[AKM sama]

No one is saying he was gonna do so at the same time. I'm saying that him overtime would have merged with 2 from only one.

It's U10 btw. And I know what you are arguing for. And I am still arguing against it. There is no indication that overtime he was capable of being 2 whole universes at the same time. And if you're arguing one by one, that won't be 2-C either. Just because he became one is no basis to assume anything else.

 

[KingTempest]

Neutral, leaning towards agreeing w/ AKM.

Overtime feats are ehh. With enough time i could carve into a wall with a metal spoon. Doesn't make me and the spoon wall level.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's U10 btw

Fight happened in West City lmao, so is U7. Anyway is irrelevant.

There is no indication that overtime he was capable of being 2 whole universes at the same time. And if you're arguing one by one, that won't be 2-C either.

This is getting circular. I already said that he was expanding his influence anywhere he could, and there's nothing saying that he can't become 2 universes when it's the 1st logical thing that comes to mind.

And if you're arguing one by one, that won't be 2-C either. Just because he became one is no basis to assume anything else.

This is just strawmanning at this point.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Overtime feats are ehh. With enough time i could carve into a wall with a metal spoon. Doesn't make me and the spoon wall level.

Another thing is fusing with everything overtime tho

 

[Bernkastelll]

Overtime feats are ehh. With enough time i could carve into a wall with a metal spoon. Doesn't make me and the spoon wall level.

Zamasu literally merges with the structures, so, yes, Overtime is valid to this case

 

[AKM sama]

Yeah, this is getting circular. I see no new points worth addressing.