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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

BestMGQScalerEver said:
I will debunk 2-A silver sea when it comes back.... Since the scan relies on an unverifiable word of god that suppposedly happens in private messages.

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Anos will have NEP2 in the future, which means she won't be able to affect his source and powers,since he can act from there.

Which means he'd still incon with her.
 
DBS Beerus wakes up in the Toei universe and tries to find the Super Saiyan God. He finds Goku on King Kai's planet and fights Post Vegito Division Goku (post Buu Saga) what would change in the bog Arc?
 
If I got the Toei scaling chain right it's.

Baseline 2-C = Super Buu < Buutenks < Buuhan < Kid Buu < SS1 Goku after he gets his energy restored > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku > SS1 Goku > Base Goku.

Kid Buu Fight Base Goku < (50x) SS1 < (10x) < SS2 < SS3 < SS1 Post Kid Buu < (10x) SS2 < SS3 < Dragon Fist.

Kid Buu fight SS3 Goku is at least 500x baseline 2-C, according to the profiles. He surpassed this level in SS1 post energy restoration. This version of SS3 Goku would be 5000x 2-C, even higher with Dragon Fist.

Meanwhile BoG SSG Goku is Baseline 2-C. 100x in base once the Arc is over I think.
 
Padaruyos said:
DBS Beerus wakes up in the Toei universe and tries to find the Super Saiyan God. He finds Goku on King Kai's planet and fights Post Vegito Division Goku (post Buu Saga) what would change in the bog Arc?
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I'm not totally familiar with Toei so I'm assuming the cosmology is treated as shared with DBS and that Super Buu is at the baseline for destroying the U7 macrocosm:
  • SS3 Goku > (400x) > Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan = Buutenks > (2x) > SS3 Gotenks >/= Super Buu = 2-C
This would put SS3 Goku at over 800x 3 2-C and based off the scaling chain blog he would be over 400 sextillion times FTL Comparatively Anime DBS Goku is scaled to, I believe, 2x 3 2-C after absorbing it into base form and being over 118 sextillion times FTL So:
  • SS3 Toei > (400x) > Base Toei (Pre-SSG) = Base Super (Post-SSG)
So Toei Goku going SSG would be equivalent to RoF Goku using SSG:
  • RoF SSB > (50x) > RoF SSG (Hypothetical) = Toei SSG (Hypothetical) > Post-BoG Base = Toei Base
That does assume that Ritual SSG provides the same power as using the form later so keep that in mind. Either way it seems like RoF SSB Goku would stomp a hypothetical Toei SSG Goku.
 
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For a further hypothetical, say Toei Goku absorbs SSG into base like his DBS counterpart.
  • RoF SSB = Toei SS1 (Post-SSG) > (50x) > RoF SSG (Hypothetical) = Base Toei (Post-SSG)
Goku Black, in base form, was able to fight SSB Vegeta just fine but later is surpassed by him. Presuming SSR is equivalent to SSB (Like the manga, although there is at least one source that refers to it as just his SS1) that would place it as:
  • Black SSB (Post-Training) > SSR > (SSB gap) > Base Black > Black SSB (Pre-Training) > RoF SSB = Toei SS1 (Post-SSG)
That would place Post-Black Saga Vegeta as superior to his SSB form at the start of the start so:
  • Base Vegeta (Post-Black) > SSB Vegeta (Black) > RoF SSB = Toei SS1 (Post-SSG)
In short:
Post-Black DBS > Post-BoG Toei > Post-BoG DBS
 
On the bright side, we have other statements about destroying the Universe during the Battle of the Gods

The third collision between Goku and Beerus, who clashed with their powers of transcendence more than ever before, emitted a flash that threatened to annihilate the universe, enveloping the earth. However, because Beerus used 100% of his power and emptied all energy around him, Earth's destruction was avoided. Beerus was embarrassed to face a Saiyan opponent, but when he got into a fight with Goku, he declared that he absolutely wanted to win. Both began to fight with all their might, but the Super Saiyan God aura around Goku gradually disappeared and eventually he returned to being a normal Super Saiyan. Does Goku have a chance to win!? ?
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The power of Super Saiyan God, which takes Goku to even greater heights, made it possible for him to face Beerus. However, due to the collision of the two very powerful forces, the universe that cannot withstand the consequences will be in danger of disappearing! Bulma's airship, who was watching the two fight, also crashes, and Old Kai predicts that the universe can only support two more confrontations between Goku and Beerus. And finally, the third accident! Goku manages to negate Beerus' attack with an attack of exactly the same strength and angle. However, he foreshadowed a new clash of powers. The fate of the universe and the whereabouts of the decisive battle...!?
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I have a question since we accept that hakai can erase beings who can survive narrative erasure why don't regenerating or coming back from hakai doesn't give you high godly
 
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