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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Worth trying?
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First things first, we’d have to prove “faster than instant transmission” refers to outpacing the instantaneous spatial displacement rather than being faster than the time it takes for Goku to raise his fingers and activate IT in the first place. There’s gotta be at least one panel like that, right? Where Goku disappears, and Gas/Granolah or someone else arrives before Goku reappears somewhere else?
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
First things first, we’d have to prove “faster than instant transmission” refers to outpacing the instantaneous spatial displacement rather than being faster than the time it takes for Goku to raise his fingers and activate IT in the first place. There’s gotta be at least one panel like that, right? Where Goku disappears, and Gas/Granolah or someone else arrives before Goku reappears somewhere else?
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Yes. Granolah with Gas.
 
ChronoULT said:
i think the easiest way Dragon Ball could get infinite speed is with Instant Transmission, we just need a statement confirming that it has 0 time between teleporting and appearing
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I'm pretty sure there's actual evidence that there is tangible time between disappearing and re-appearing (like human characters reacting to something happening before Goku pops out of TELEPORTATION ZONE again)
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
I'm pretty sure there's actual evidence that there is tangible time between disappearing and re-appearing (like human characters reacting to something happening before Goku pops out of TELEPORTATION ZONE again)
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Even here you can hear the appearing and disappearing effect. Cell could somewhat react.
 
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The_Yellow_Topaz said:
I'm pretty sure there's actual evidence that there is tangible time between disappearing and re-appearing (like human characters reacting to something happening before Goku pops out of TELEPORTATION ZONE again)
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Yes, but actually no.

You see, this never occurs, not as it’s seen (as in the ACTUAL Teleportation Zone). The main Z Anime’s use of IT (not the films) are fairly faithful to the Manga (which notably does not have a Teleportation Zone).

The Teleportation Zone only “exists” and was made up in the Z movies, and no one reacts to it. SSJ Vegeta can only react to the consequences of Goku and M.Cooler’s fight as they enter and exit reality—(such as when they make contact with the floor)—And in the first Broly film, where Goku only is seen to use IT to travel the universe to follow Broly’s Ki (but he only found destruction, which shouldn’t be possible based on how IT works—It takes you directly to Ki Signatures when traveling long distances, and when a Ki Signature moves it takes you to that. Goku also appears in lifeless rubble where Ki doesn’t exist, which again, should not be possible.)

That’s not to say it doesn’t apply to the Anime—They’re apart of the same continuity and the like, (obviously it’s the opposite, and the films do apply), but it does mean that the movies are actively embellishing the mechanics of the move and they don’t coincide with the Anime’s use outside of the fact they are forced to. (Similar to how the Garlic Saga and film MUST be canon to GT despite it being physically impossible for the first film to exist in the timeline—Same with Cooler’s Revenge. They don’t actually coincide based on any actual standard of observation, but they are FORCED to coincide due to continuity.)
 
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
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It's sad that I had to make this thread especially since it's well known I can't stand Higher Dimensional Existence or Tier 1 stuff but this nonsense needs to get solved asap. It's been brought up in recent discussions that that simply embodying a timeline/universe space-time continuum doesn't...
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Welp time to go grab the popcorn
 
Fun Fact: It was verbatim stated once in the anime I believe that the Instant Transmission technique turns the user into light and allows them to travel at light speed (Goku even specifically mentions the speed of light in miles per second).

This statement is so unimaginably, inconceivably inconsistent, that it makes me wonder if the people who wrote this line were even thinking. I mean holy shit how little can you care about the series you are making.
 
Anyways this whole argument about IT is silly to me. Idk what started the debate but I swear to god if people are unironically trying to argue infinite speed for DB, I don't even know what to say to you guys💀. There are situations where just saying "argument from incredulity xd" or "PiS" or anything else is not a valid counterpoint. If we were taking things that far, we outta just abandon any common sense, upgrade the whole verse including OG Dragon Ball to Low 1-C and immeasurable, give Tori-Bot a tier 0 page, and call it a day.
 
RinneItachi said:
Fun Fact: It was verbatim stated once in the anime I believe that the Instant Transmission technique turns the user into light and allows them to travel at light speed (Goku even specifically mentions the speed of light in miles per second).
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99% sure that's a classic funi dubism, Goku in the original version explains IT to his friends just how he does in the manga.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
DB magic is gonna give high 1-A Goku believe it.
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All the hints from the leaks seem to be real.

Since DB Official accounts keep posting photos of GT Goku lol.
Akio Iyoku wanted to release a DB Anime earlier but Viz/Sueisha didn't really let him.

So he literally took Dragon Ball rights and created a company called "Capsule corporation Tokyo".....


And I'm gonna say, if it wasn't for Sueisha, we probably could've had the Anime back much earlier
 
God900 said:
All the hints from the leaks seem to be real.

Since DB Official accounts keep posting photos of GT Goku lol.
Akio Iyoku wanted to release a DB Anime earlier but Viz/Sueisha didn't really let him.

So he literally took Dragon Ball rights and created a company called "Capsule corporation Tokyo".....


And I'm gonna say, if it wasn't for Sueisha, we probably could've had the Anime back much earlier
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Yeah I mean it's pretty obvious that the main inspiration for Dragon Ball Magic was GT. The basic plot is uncannily similar. Goku gets turned to a kid and needs to go on a new adventure in space, with the vibe of GT originally being meant to be reminiscent of OG Dragon Ball, which Toriyama was an admitted fan of, and has said that he likes GT in old interviews. One thing GT lacked despite trying to be like the original DB was the lack of magic, because magic was actually very common in OG Dragon Ball but kind of got dropped in Z until the Buu Saga.

So yeah the fact that we have a bunch of references to GT on official Dragon Ball accounts, and already had confirmation that there would be a web series a few years ago, pretty much confirms that the leaks are absolutely true. But certain details of it can be considered a grain of salt situation.
 
God900 said:
All the hints from the leaks seem to be real.

Since DB Official accounts keep posting photos of GT Goku lol.
Akio Iyoku wanted to release a DB Anime earlier but Viz/Sueisha didn't really let him.

So he literally took Dragon Ball rights and created a company called "Capsule corporation Tokyo".....


And I'm gonna say, if it wasn't for Sueisha, we probably could've had the Anime back much earlier
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Ow ow I couldn't really keep track after the posting gt photos thing. Can you elaborate on the beef of not releasing an anime and the rights thing?
 
We're certain to get at least a bit of hax from Dragon Ball Magic I'd say, would bet money on some transmutation, possibly petrification, maybe sealing, a lot of creation feats, maybe soul manipulation, a lot of telepathy and telekinesis, and probably a bit of energy absorption. I wouldn't expect new forms though.

But if this is actually going to be end of Z Goku which is WAAAY ahead of where Super ended, like...bro what💀
 
RinneItachi said:
Yeah I mean it's pretty obvious that the main inspiration for Dragon Ball Magic was GT. The basic plot is uncannily similar. Goku gets turned to a kid and needs to go on a new adventure in space, with the vibe of GT originally being meant to be reminiscent of OG Dragon Ball, which Toriyama was an admitted fan of, and has said that he likes GT in old interviews. One thing GT lacked despite trying to be like the original DB was the lack of magic, because magic was actually very common in OG Dragon Ball but kind of got dropped in Z until the Buu Saga.

So yeah the fact that we have a bunch of references to GT on official Dragon Ball accounts, and already had confirmation that there would be a web series a few years ago, pretty much confirms that the leaks are absolutely true. But certain details of it can be considered a grain of salt situation.
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Pretty much this.

I gotta thank Akyo Iyoku for this, I hate Sueisha...these company has been holding the devealopement of a possible DBS Anime since 6 years now
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Ow ow I couldn't really keep track after the posting gt photos thing. Can you elaborate on the beef of not releasing an anime and the rights thing?
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Akyo Iyoku wanted to release a DB Anime.

But Sueisha was holding it back, since Sueisha was in charge of the Anime rights.

Dunno why, but they probably thought that it wasn't the moment to release a full 23 minutes episodie Anime yet (for whatever stupid reason).

So Akyo Iyoku (Who also wanted to make more money) got fed up with Sueisha and took the Anime rights
 
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