Serlock_Holmes
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http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/gain_1.php?did=0-5-3-2 here is the japanese. Can't find an english one.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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They’re suppressed when they’re not fighting this is like saying Trunks is 10-B and varies to High 5-A for having a PL of 5 when the frieza soldier scanned him
You don’t get varies because you’re hiding your power before you fight
Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah that's my point. That's just too much looking into the fight.
Eden_Warlock99
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That's why it should be High 6-A instead of 10-B
Nullflowerblush
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Even when they are fighting, they are not continuously operating at 100%.
Frieza proves continuously using 100% is impractical, Goku and Gohan attempted to circumvent this, 100% is always presented as a spectacle, and whenever 100% is presented, their aura emits from their body continuously, which is unseen otherwise.
I'll tell ya more about it in a future thread.
Serlock_Holmes
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I still believe Goku and Tien can fart Roshi's kamehameha away and noone can convince me otherwise.
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I’m gonna be honest, what I thought you were referring to is this. (Y’know, OG-Z doing all the martial arts things Tori/Toyo are reintroducing in DBS as if they aren’t seasoned warriors). But even then I don’t know if it’d apply, because Piccolo outright here is saying they basically just flick on to full power at any given moment/can amplify their powers at will, hence why what Gero took was nothing. (Meaning they DON’T vary, they simply have precise control of their energy.)
Also, auras being existent is a good metric…on paper. The manga isn’t always consistent with this, and even then there are fighters who can access their full power with “no aura.” Hell, parts of Goku Vs Frieza who is at 100% (trying to kill his opponent with EVERY STRIKE) straight up have Frieza (1) lacking (2) one (3).
Edit: Also note, Piccolo makes this claim after beating (1) down (2) Gero (3) with (4) his (5) Aura-Less “Full/Amplified” Power. Meaning another mark for their output not requiring an aura visual, and a direct showing they are doing this for their physicals and do not vary more than they choose to vary.
Also, auras being existent is a good metric…on paper. The manga isn’t always consistent with this, and even then there are fighters who can access their full power with “no aura.” Hell, parts of Goku Vs Frieza who is at 100% (trying to kill his opponent with EVERY STRIKE) straight up have Frieza (1) lacking (2) one (3).
Edit: Also note, Piccolo makes this claim after beating (1) down (2) Gero (3) with (4) his (5) Aura-Less “Full/Amplified” Power. Meaning another mark for their output not requiring an aura visual, and a direct showing they are doing this for their physicals and do not vary more than they choose to vary.
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Yeah, but in those panels specifically it’s just not there. There’s no hard to see swirly lines in those panels—There’s just no aura.His "aura" looks like this.
I get the other points, though.
Edit: Also, that’s why I simply said “Parts” instead of the whole thing. I was just pointing out how visible Aura is an inconsistent metric in general.
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I mean, even if you do not agree with Goku absorbing the SSG power in base nor that it scales to SSG in any mean... how could pre-God ritual Vegito be above SSG Goku? Goku himself stated he couldn't have beaten Beerus even if they fused. And even without that, both Goku SSJ3 and rage amped SSJ2 Vegeta were worthless to Beerus. That power multiplied by the many times of the fusion won't be enough. If fusion had that big multiplier even base Vegito should be enough to beat Fused Zamasu in the anime lol
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It's worse we are talking about Tournament of Power SSG Goku. So yeah the idea Buu-Saga base Vegito>>>>>ToP SSG Goku is trolling. Also there is no reason to not think that Goku surpassed SSG power. He absorbed it into SSJ and surpassed in base, when he broke his limit and many feats support it.
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We need to replace some of the images for Toei Goku's profile they are ugly as all hell. Like who tf chose the Super Kaioken image
Eden_Warlock99
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The Dokkan Image is a good replacement
Serlock_Holmes
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I think Cell is somewhat redeemable. What do you think?
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Original Cell? I have my doubts. He seems to view all other lifeforms as beneath him and he actively went around consuming humans for power. He was utterly obsessed with being the Perfect lifeform. Cell Max? Not really evil, just a wild monster because he lacks a mind. Give him his mind and he could reasonably become a good guy.
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All of his renders would fit perfectly in videos from 11 years ago with the title of "all of Goku's transformations from base to Super Saiyan infinite"We need to replace some of the images for Toei Goku's profile they are ugly as all hell. Like who tf chose the Super Kaioken image
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Seens more like he is just dispercing attacks rather than nullifying then tbh
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this type of explosion is characteristic from Hakai, so he is using hakai to erase the attacks
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The hakai when erases makes thing slowly desintegrate in purple particles
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Not in the manga, it makes explosions in the manga
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Zamasu didn't explode when goku did to him
Well, by that point it would be explosion manip + EE and not power null
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Just simply existence erasure or energy erasure whatever works here.
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I've said it before but the way Hakai is described by Beerus sounds identical to Antimatter Manipulation to me.
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so it wouldn't qualify for power null because it's using another type of ability to erase the attacks?
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Yeah
Nullflowerblush
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Needs to be at least 20-24 blasts in-motion at about the same time.
Serlock_Holmes
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Like gogeta against broly? Or buu?
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Flying Nimbus
The Flying Nimbus (筋斗雲, Kinto'un, lit. "Somersault Cloud") is a magical, yellow cloud that serves as a way of transportation. Goku obtains the Nimbus from Master Roshi as compensation for saving Turtle.[3][4] It served Goku and his sons well throughout Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, by acting as...
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In Dragon Ball: Origins, the Nimbus is shown to fly at over 400mph. Daizenshuu 4 states that the Nimbus' top speed is Mach 1.5.
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i couldn't find any scan even in japanese, but here is the text
| "Kinto-un First Appearance: chapter 4 Category: vehicle Explanation: A mystical cloud which Goku received from Kame-sennin. It was originally a part of the giant Kinto-un owned by Karin-sama, and long ago Kame-sennin broke a piece off and took it with him. It the past it was wiped out by Tambourine, and the current Kinto-un is the second generation. Goku went through many adventures with it, and it was passed on to his son Gohan. Special Characteristics: An extremely mysterious riding cloud. It freely flies through the air in accordance with its rider’s will, going from stationary to its maximum speed of mach 1.5. Though it’s very convenient, only those with pure hearts can ride it. If those with wicked thoughts get one the cloud, they will simply plunge through it. Also, it will soon reconstruct itself even when hit by attacks from bombs or missiles, and will only be wiped out when attacked by a Demon Clansman’s ki. (Daizenshuu 4, p.144) Anime: In the anime version the pure-minded Namu also rides it, as do Panji and Norimaki Arale in the movies." |
And the link for daizenshuu 4
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjrHe4LL
Fezzih_007
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New dbh match with Agios:
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