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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Spilxson2 said:
If I wanted to make Ultra God Mission Xeno vs DBH Goku, who would it be a stomp in favor of
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DBH Goku would take it because Ultra God Mission Xeno Goku is just from one specific instance while DBH Goku would composite every Goku that ever appeared in DBH with Ultra God Mission Xeno Goku being included in that composition
 
On a serious note I think its possible that Xeno Goku and Vegeta have caught up to the power of Vegito in the Universe Creation Saga considering their performance against a Dark Ki Amped Limit Breaker LSSJ4 Broly. A Vegito that was rivaling Dark King Fu
 
Ss3micah said:
DBH Goku would take it because Ultra God Mission Xeno Goku is just from one specific instance while DBH Goku would composite every Goku that ever appeared in DBH with Ultra God Mission Xeno Goku being included in that composition
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I can't tell if you're joking or not. 3 days ago I learned that 2-A has "layers" and that apparently even characters with 2-A durability can still be one shot by other characters with 2-A attacks
 
Btw, now that we accept that "fusions base >> fusees peak in any form" then wouldn't we need to rethink the scaling a little bit? Like, bow MUI goku has no reason to scale to gogeta blue, since he would be superior to goku in any form due to how fusions work in db
 
It’s a dumb belief. Imo, the fusees are just strong enough for the multiplier to surpass their strongest forms, but the ability itself doesn’t make them superior to their peak

MUI being stronger than Gogeta is just poop.
 
The belief is the fusion technique always makes the fusion superior to the fusees peak.
So Base Gogeta>>> Peak Goku and Vegeta because how the ability works. But this can easily be explained by their base being high enough for the outcome to surpass their other forms.

base Goku and Vegeta is a 1,000 ssj is 50x.
Ssj Vegeta and Goku is 50,000.
1,000x1,000= 1,000,000. See what I mean?
 
omegabronic said:
Btw, now that we accept that "fusions base >> fusees peak in any form" then wouldn't we need to rethink the scaling a little bit? Like, bow MUI goku has no reason to scale to gogeta blue, since he would be superior to goku in any form due to how fusions work in db
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Doesn't Vegeta's profile also have a victory against base Gogeta as well? Should someone request for it to be removed?
 
Spilxson2 said:
Doesn't Vegeta's profile also have a victory against base Gogeta as well? Should someone request for it to be removed?
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Peoples scaling senses weren’t working that day regardless, Base Gogeta kept pace with SS1 Broly who had 1 extra hour of Accelerated Development going for him when even Ikari Broly was = SSB Goku, SSBE is at most shown equal to KK20 SSB, SS1 Broly would be >>50x SSB Goku/ Vegeta, stamina is a massive issue too, Gogeta can remain the full 30 minutes at that level with 0 strain and SSBE only operated for at most 5 minutes of real time during the ToP.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
The belief is the fusion technique always makes the fusion superior to the fusees peak.
So Base Gogeta>>> Peak Goku and Vegeta because how the ability works. But this can easily be explained by their base being high enough for the outcome to surpass their other forms.

base Goku and Vegeta is a 1,000 ssj is 50x.
Ssj Vegeta and Goku is 50,000.
1,000x1,000= 1,000,000. See what I mean?
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It doesn’t work really because potara would increase much faster in power than set multipliers of Super Saiyan forms would allow, making it inconsistent for fusions to require anything beyond base form to handle their opponents

Base post BoG Goku = 250,000 ( SSG multiplier)

Base fusion would be equivalent to that Goku going SSG, SSG Goku could put up a fight against said fusion.

But if Goku were instead 1000x stronger, the base fusion would be 1,000,000x SSG^2 whilst SSG Goku would be 1000x SSG^2 levels, Goku would now require SSBKK20 to put up a fight.

If Goku grows an additional 10x making his base power 10,000x SSG, a base Fusion would exceed the level of SSB KK20 by 10x
 
AguilaR202 said:
It doesn’t work really because potara would increase much faster in power than set multipliers of Super Saiyan forms would allow, making it inconsistent for fusions to require anything beyond base form to handle their opponents

Base post BoG Goku = 250,000 ( SSG multiplier)

Base fusion would be equivalent to that Goku going SSG, SSG Goku could put up a fight against said fusion.

But if Goku were instead 1000x stronger, the base fusion would be 1,000,000x SSG^2 whilst SSG Goku would be 1000x SSG^2 levels, Goku would now require SSBKK20 to put up a fight.

If Goku grows an additional 10x making his base power 10,000x SSG, a base Fusion would exceed the level of SSB KK20 by 10x
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I understood very little of what you just said
 
omegabronic said:
I understood very little of what you just said
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Potara amps will always surpass any transformation of Goku because he already reached the level those forms had at one point whilst in base, meaning base potara is up to millions of times SSB*SSB if it’s meant to be a multiplication of both fighters strength.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Potara amps will always surpass any transformation of Goku because he already reached the level those forms had at one point whilst in base, meaning base potara is up to millions of times SSB*SSB if it’s meant to be a multiplication of both fighters strength.
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now i understand even less, base goku reached the level of his transformed state while doing the fusion.....?
 
AguilaR202 said:
Potara amps will always surpass any transformation of Goku because he already reached the level those forms had at one point whilst in base, meaning base potara is up to millions of times SSB*SSB if it’s meant to be a multiplication of both fighters strength.
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Ah so he surpassed his previous SSJB state in base meaning the SSB multiplier so if he were to fuse with someone equal to power to him like Vegeta it’d be a SSB*SSB increase?
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
Ah so he surpassed his previous SSJB state in base meaning the SSB multiplier so if he were to fuse with someone equal to power to him like Vegeta it’d be a SSB*SSB increase?
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but wasn't it that base state of fusions are superior to the peaks of the fusees from the moment the fusion is made?
 
"It's absurd because they still have SSG afterwords so I don't know why they would be stronger than it. They get SSG, then they absorb it, now they're stronger than it in base but can still go SSG?"

Why do people use this argument?
 
Veronica said:
"It's absurd because they still have SSG afterwords so I don't know why they would be stronger than it. They get SSG, then they absorb it, now they're stronger than it in base but can still go SSG?"

Why do people use this argument?
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Because they don't pay attention. Its simple Energy Absorption
 
Isn't this great evidence?

SSJ2 Goku Pwas so powerful against Zamasu. He gets compared to Beerus:


Goku states Zamasu has the potential to to get as strong as Beerus and that the battle reminds him when he fought Beerus




There are many more. Someone should make a blog
 
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Veronica said:
Isn't this great evidence?

SSJ2 Goku Pwas so powerful against Zamasu. He gets compared to Beerus:


Goku states Zamasu has the potential to to get as strong as Beerus and that the battle reminds him when he fought Beerus




There are many more. Someone should make a blog
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Nah, pre top chars are still not as stromg as beerus, with beerus straight up still threatening goku and him needing to trick him to go to zeno
 
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