speedster352
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So why isn’t DBH low 1c yet?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Lack of good evidence
speedster352
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But crack of time should be low 1c it’s way larger than the multiverse with infinite time crystals that are extremely strong but whatever.
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Crystals look small I think? From what I gathered from the “debunk” and that even if they are timelines (which no question there are) they are only that size in the inside
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Look, that is the reason the staff gave ij the thread basically, i have no horse in this run
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Ki.
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It's 90% just Toyataro's writing style. He likes saying the Saiyans are at their limit ever two arcs.
Said the same thing in the Future Arc.
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this.
Toyotaro likes to recycle the phrases " We Saiyans have reached our limits" and "Meh my stamina sucks in this form"
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Oh I meant like they can’t even make their base forms stronger anymore unless Toyotaro tries to make it with either Ki or mental training like how Vegeta said it
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Could had sworn it’s Ikari Broly
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Manga seems to not have ikari. In ch 93 when Broly starts raging out instead of going ikari he starts turning SSJ
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I think y'all missed the point of Vegeta's training. It's not about power anymore Vegeta states that in that respect the Saiyans are on Par with the likes of those opponents. But how the power is used is where the difference is. This is actually a perfect direction to take the DB cast as they won't just be finding ways to beat their opponents through Multiversal Fisticuffs but rather using strategies with Ki to effectively win battles and conserve energy so SSJB and UI transformations aren't necessary to commandeer a bout. Personally this is only going to be good if new ki techniques and abilities (HAX) is the direction being pursued but it can end up just like the Moro arc where Vegeta learned a new system of energy but only fricken spammed one technique.
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Yeah beefing up your body literally just won't do shit anymore, this is the same concept of goku's statement with the hyperbolic time chamber stuff in the cell saga. Yes physical strength is important, but its the mastery over their mind, spirit is what gets them further. I can't wait to see how toyotaro goes to adapt UE.
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Oh please no I hope Beerus being the strongest in the Universe is finally over
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yeah i remember that, so maybe beerus world really is in another dimension, im not sure
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Goku also said this in the cell saga funnily enough, even toryama had that kind of non sense lol
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SirAlex09
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It's fine bringing that up once but Toyotaro brings this shit up every arc.
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Assuming Vegeta's comment on physical limits is here to stay, they should already be on par with Beerus, The Angels and even the Grand Priest in raw physical power. The issue with them is that they need to learn to make the most of their power and wield it to its maximum potential. Freeza would be the closest to the Angels because he hit that physical limit but also has had extensive training in Explosive Power and 2 more years with a HTC to refine his control further, he basically only lacks something like Ultra Instinct's skill and agility.
Granted this does bring up the point of Ultra Ego but my guess is that it simply uncaps Vegeta's Ki capacity and it expands while using it. That'd mean Vegeta can uniquely increase his raw stats beyond his physical limits whereas Goku's Ultra Instinct is stuck with capped stats in exchange for mastering his body. There's also the implication that Goku's Ki avatar is Goku's Ki expanding past his physical limits.
Either way 'physical limit' doesn't mean their power can't grow any further, just that their physical training won't do much for them.
Granted this does bring up the point of Ultra Ego but my guess is that it simply uncaps Vegeta's Ki capacity and it expands while using it. That'd mean Vegeta can uniquely increase his raw stats beyond his physical limits whereas Goku's Ultra Instinct is stuck with capped stats in exchange for mastering his body. There's also the implication that Goku's Ki avatar is Goku's Ki expanding past his physical limits.
Either way 'physical limit' doesn't mean their power can't grow any further, just that their physical training won't do much for them.
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Goku and Vegeta have grinded too hard and they got nerfed by a patch update
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New chapter to the Legends story came out yesterday and Giblet showed off a new form. It was dope as hell imo. I also realized that the form is basically SSG's equivalent of SSB Controlled Berserk lol (and is stated to be a several times multiplier).
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I just checked, and it's officially called Super Saiyan God: Dark Ki Unleashed.New chapter to the Legends story came out yesterday and Giblet showed off a new form. It was dope as hell imo. I also realized that the form is basically SSG's equivalent of SSB Controlled Berserk lol (and is stated to be a several times multiplier).
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Goku literally was a dead in the Living World when he said that though and was feeling the stamina discrepancy. Whatever it is, it's an effect of the world itself, not simply being dead.
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"too op, nerf please" lol
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Yeah
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I remember probability manip getting removed for pretty dubious reasons.
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Probability Manipulation was removed in the past
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They were thought of as game mechanics
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Don't they already have this?
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Considering that the entire thing is a game, isn't that kind of a weird argument?
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