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Are you suggesting he'd shadow clone jutsu his way into every timeline?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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It isn't. Not even close.
To be 2-B they would have to destroy multiple parallel worlds at once with one attack. These are assumptions not immediately supported. Is not enough for possibly at all, let alone a full rating.
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That's way more reasonable, on top of suggesting he's not actually destroying these worlds, but the mortals that live there... Which is perfectly in-line with his motivations.
There's nothing 2-B here.
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I'm suggesting he'd do the exact same thing to the other timelines as he did with Trunks's.
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Is the shared cosmology with toei also being touched?
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It will be, so we have to do a CRT updating the back to one more space.
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Nah 2-C will probably be fine I was gassing it but I’ve been talking with someone to change up the terminology we use for DB and changing U7 to “The Universe” we know of in the guides since there’s some flaws about U7 referring to the entire globe of db
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I don't see a problem with both zeno and super shenron being 2-B, my proposal is that zeno would be able to erase the amount of timelines that super shenron would be able to wish back, if goku wanted super shenron to create billions of parallel timelines, those are also timelines that zeno would be able to destroy and vice versa. And technically since he can do anything, somebody could wish for there to be an infinite amount of them, limiting super shenrons power to just any higher finite amount into 2-B makes no sense. So either super shenron alone scales, or both zeno and super shenron scale. Both technically have infinite power right? Wouldn't zeno just be a higher level of that?
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what do you mean?
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??? GT is already canon to super as another timeline but it’s literally impossible for them to be in the same timeline though the dbs anime is debatably an adaptation from the Z Anime/Z Kai and dbs manga being an adaptation of the z manga
If we’re upgrading Shenron on the basis he can grant any wish and if we don’t extend this to Zeno that’d mean there’s a limit to it so we can’t have zeno scale if this were to happen
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I hate that, i really want zeno to scale, i feel like thats narratively consistent, but if thats the only way for 2-B or even 2-A dragon ball, which is what it should be for SS, then ill have to go with it.
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This is why i put the "in the same timeline" there
Impossible? No, right now is, but who knows what the future may hold, they were put in the same timeline before, it may become depending on where dbs goes
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Well even if you argued that that’d make the universes being 2-C easier but I still would disagree with it
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wait wheres this going? Like are you implying the cosmology to be bigger?
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It's an adaptation of the manga.
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I mean, the 2-C afterlife and kaioshin realm comes from the dbz anime, if ht becomes canon to super, then that would also not be used, since we accepted gt as an alternate timeline and the anime z came along
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Hey, what were the counterarguments against GT directly following Super based off of the Tenkaichi Budōsai timeline again? Because the title of the exhibit is, quite literally, "Dragon Ball Historical Chronology".
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No
Never stated maybe for the dbs sh movie but besides that no
That literally would make no sense if we did Z Manga -> DBS Anime -> DB GT
I could KINDA see Z Kai -> DBS Anime -> DB GT
But toeiverse is definitely canon to GT you’d need some wild assumptions to argue otherwise
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What does that imply?
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Story contradictions, like, where are the god forms for example
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Maybe or maybe not, again, depends on what super does in the future, as a gt enjoyer i would love for it to be canon in the same timeline
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it probably means that in terms of the time frame, it takes place after super, so im not sure what you are implying here
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"Dragon Ball Super is a story take place in the climax time era of the Dragon Ball manga, which covers the period 10 years after fight of Goku and Majin Buu. This story is written by Toriyama-sensei, naturally it is connected to Dragon Ball."
The fact that Broly, the follow-up to the Super anime, as per Toriyama, directly adapts the Dragon Ball Minus storyline, the official prequel to the original manga, is further proof of this. Hell, Jaco and Tights, the entire concept of the Galactic Patrol is exclusive to Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, which is exclusive to the original manga's timeline. The fact that Trunks's hair is blue in the Super anime, harkening back to how Toriyama illustrated Trunks and Bulma with identical hair colors, a fact which Toei previously forewent with the TV anime, is proof of their adherence to the original manga.
Ah, hogwash. Fusion Reborn physically cannot fit within the timeline of the TV anime, regardless of how many contradictions are hand-weaved away, but Gogeta appeared in the GT Perfect Files, which means the film is definitively canon, regardless of reason.
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They can have similar things in the story lines which is basically the entirety of the dbs anime and manga like the dbs broly happening in the manga and anime but obviously the dbs broly movie didn’t happen in the manga since there is differences
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Garlic Jr. has his own filler arc.
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And Fusion Reborn is constantly referenced and that’s the whole point of why Gogeta ssj4 happens in gt so both have contradictions but are needed for the story to make sense
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Never directly.
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Nullflowerblush
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low-key...
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I agree with the Super Anime being the manga continuation but I just found this point itself hilarious because like Vegeta in some frames, Vegito, and King Vegeta (Broly Movie) literally have the Toei original brown hair
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Contradictions for gt and super, like there being no god forms in gt
If you want you can try to make them canon here if you think it is correct, will probably not be accepted tho,
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I'm watching GT and I'm looking for Android 17's mention of hell being another spacetime, so the DB Universe will have 5 different spacetimes.
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Mark my words, 2-C Dragon Ball will go away. (Certain) people just can't stomach DB being stronk
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I will face everyone, no matter who it is, I will obliterate in the argument.
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My guy I've been watching VSB for years. Having a good argument alone is no where near enough here. Especially not for a verse like Dragon Ball. This is the same site that refused to give Roshi 5-C despite having destroyed the moon on screen and it being perfectly consistent with the series, for years.
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With what argument? Flowery language? The realms are stated to be seperated by space-time and uses Jiku which is space-time in physics if you’re referring to dbs the thing we know as “Outer Space” is literally called the Universe and is of reasonable size along with being stated to be based off our Universe and the Afterlife being called the Cosmos at the bare minimum Toeiverse is fine
The arguments were pretty bad..
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