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i mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsNah it makes sense under UES stronger Ki>weaker Ki which would explain some things
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i mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsNah it makes sense under UES stronger Ki>weaker Ki which would explain some things
You've already been to hell with the DBZ cosmology thread why not go (to hell) at it again? (Not right now obviously)i mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsi don't have an opinion on this, but trust me, the hell hole will reach us if someone even tries to do that
Its only in universei mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsi don't have an opinion on this, but trust me, the hell hole will reach us if someone even tries to do that
Yeah that’s what I’m sayingThey accepted the UES for DBH like nobody's business and now every DBH character is a ******* resistance wall
yeah I remmeber ues was argued there too so it’s kinda weird how we don’t do it for everythingSomeone tried to downgrade Hakai for those reasons but that proposal got rejected
On the other hand, staff just doesn't wanna do the UES for DBS for some reason
what?No idea, just stop!
well with a stronger Ki but I don’t see what problems would ensue though things like vegeta breaking out of mind manip via sheer power wouldn’t qualify because he didn’t do it via kii mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsi don't have an opinion on this, but trust me, the hell hole will reach us if someone even tries to do that
You've already been to hell with the DBZ cosmology thread why not go (to hell) at it again? (Not right now obviously)
then there would be the problem of "what hax are ki based for that to be even acceptable?"Yeah that’s what I’m saying
yeah I remmeber ues was argued there too so it’s kinda weird how we don’t do it for everything
what?
well with a stronger Ki but I don’t see what problems would ensue though things like vegeta breaking out of mind manip via sheer power wouldn’t qualify because he didn’t do it via ki
and you guys proved right there why the backup plan is necessary
I bet if someone tries again they'll create a rule, we already have several threads being discussed about this,loli mean by that logic anyone with stronger stats and a "ki" like energy just negsi don't have an opinion on this, but trust me, the hell hole will reach us if someone even tries to do that
you can see the future lephyr, you predicted the calamity
if the cosmology threads is anything to go by, i bet we can reach the record and surpass 20 pages loland this is only the supporters discussing the speed, just imagine in the actual threads
Stop mentioning it, you'll end up creating another CRT and end up having a rule on the back, just stop it. We've been through this and there are too many threads on this subject.what?
Eh that’s not too bad if that’s the worst thing that’d happen I’d be ok with it something like hakai would probably be okthen there would be the problem of "what hax are ki based for that to be even acceptable?"
I’m not creating a crt just talking about a hypotheticalStop mentioning it, you'll end up creating another CRT and end up having a rule on the back, just stop it. We've been through this and there are too many threads on this subject.
and this is only the supporters discussing the speed, just imagine in the actual threads
The multipliers weren’t abused anywaysI agree with the speed downgrade for Super if it means we keep the 3 space-times...
Not a lot, actuallythen there would be the problem of "what hax are ki based for that to be even acceptable?"
Don't even dream about it, because I'll have the pleasure of asking them to close it and I'll create a rule about it myself, you don't know the problems this caused when the CRT of the @Vizer04 on this subject, it took months to finish and took about 10 pages, it was a subject discussed until death, all administrators refused it.I’m not creating a crt just talking about a hypothetical
time skip?Not a lot, actually
Power of Destruction
Time Skip
I'm pretty sure that's about it for DBS at least
It can be broken through through sheer power if a character is significantly stronger than Hittime skip?
Bruh you’re getting the wrong idea I’m trying to help db Hax not downgrade it hop on discordDon't even dream about it, because I'll have the pleasure of asking them to close it and I'll create a rule about it myself, you don't know the problems this caused when the CRT of the @Vizer04 on this subject, it took months to finish and took about 10 pages, it was a subject discussed until death, all administrators refused it.
not in the anime goku has to adapt (should have re for it haha planned next crt)It can be broken through through sheer power if you're significantly stronger than Hit
If you're in the same ballpark then it works
Goku didn't HAVE to adapt to it, he just ended up doing so after their fightnot in the anime goku has to adapt (should have re for it haha planned next crt)
In the manga. In the anime it's more or less implied at a certain level that it loses all effectiveness with Vados even claiming Jiren is too powerful to be effected by time hax entirely. The way Hit was evolving it in the anime was basically skipping time further and further to deal with Goku's growing speed but Jiren seemingly just rendered it completely pointless.It can be broken through through sheer power if you're significantly stronger than Hit
If you're in the same ballpark then it works
right broBruh you’re getting the wrong idea I’m trying to help db Hax not downgrade it hop on discord
Still a power-based thing, no?In the manga. In the anime it's more or less implied at a certain level that it loses all effectiveness with Vados even claiming Jiren is too powerful to be effected by time hax entirely. The way Hit was evolving it in the anime was basically skipping time further and further to deal with Goku's growing speed but Jiren seemingly just rendered it completely pointless.
Then the argument for scalable resistance through UES is viable, it’s not an explicit weakness of Hits timeskip as far as the anime is concerned, so higher ki= time stop resistance works there.Goku didn't HAVE to adapt to it, he just ended up doing so after their fight
During the fight though he was able to break through it after becoming significantly stronger than him. In fact, Jiren, who never faced Time Skip before, was already resistant to it because he was simply that powerful. That's what they said
no i meant, what proof is that for it to be a ki based hax?It can be broken through through sheer power if a character is significantly stronger than Hit
Not if they're in the same ballpark as him, though
In the anime it isn't relative to Hit's power though. Goku was too fast for a 0.2 second Time Skip but Hit was able to freeze him in time after adapting his Time Skip to work beyond a second. Comparatively Manga Hit's Time Skip is just rendered completely useless based on the powers of others relative to himself.Still a power-based thing, no?
all this time skip talk will be irrelevant when i eventually nuke that resistance and make it an immeasurable speed feat
That's an English Dub line only bro, its not gonna happen
bold you to assume that is my argument
The 'forced into the future' line? I just checked and King Kai says it in the sub as well, unless that's just a mistranslation. He even states Goku's Ki Disorder isn't just from the Kaio-Ken, it's also because he was forcing his body 'into the future' and that he wasn't just predicting Hit's movements. Which would explain why DBS characters aren't constantly moving at those speeds if it screws up their body a day or two later.That's an English Dub line only bro, its not gonna happen
They literally say he powers up (the same exact thing is said in Japanese)Hell if remember correctly hits accelerated development was explicitly pointed out to not be power based, it was a refinement of his hax which is what made him able to use the second timeskip against SSBKK 10 Goku.
ThisGoku didn't HAVE to adapt to it, he just ended up doing so after their fight
During the fight though he was able to break through it after becoming significantly stronger than him. In fact, Jiren, who never faced Time Skip before, was already resistant to it because he was simply that powerful. That's what they said
I mean it’s the official sub so I doubt it’s a mistranslationThe 'forced into the future' line? I just checked and King Kai says it in the sub as well, unless that's just a mistranslation. He even states Goku's Ki Disorder isn't just from the Kaio-Ken, it's also because he was forcing his body 'into the future' and that he wasn't just predicting Hit's movements. Which would explain why DBS characters aren't constantly moving at those speeds if it screws up their body a day or two later.
It’s reactive evolutionHell if remember correctly hits accelerated development was explicitly pointed out to not be power based, it was a refinement of his hax which is what made him able to use the second timeskip against SSBKK 10 Goku.
And as SSBK20x Goku states that he is now on a level beyond Hit's Time-Skip, when he intercepts Hit in the middle of his Time-Skip
Also if they don't want to accept infinite speed what makes you think they'll accept immeasurable?
And you said you didn't want to deal with that hell =/oh that wouldn't be a problem, ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa