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The distance between galaxies can be finite while there is an infinite amount of galaxies
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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No shit. My point is that there's four blatantly separate infinite spaces here. Crossing from one to another means you cross the boundary of infinity. They're not crossing a finite distance in an infinite space, they're crossing the boundaries of one infinite space and heading into another
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No one ever made a ki blast that would travel that far and reacted to it like the anime did
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Hum, that is not saying that there is countless galaxies in each quadrant tho
Quadrants are purely directions, crossing from one to the other is not that much impressive
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Depends, is he different enough from toei gohan?
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..........how is this feat even remotely relevant? That is masivelly hypersonic to relativistic at most
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The quadrants are entire areas of the universe containing their own infinite space as highlighted above
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He's High 3-A and trained in the timeskip unlike his canon counterpart. He's also the only adult gohan to go SSJ2 in the Purple Gi
But that's about it
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I meant profile wise
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The 4 quadrants add up to an infinite amount of galaxies and the quadrants extend outwards
So you shouldn’t need infinite speed to cross the quadrants
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They are delimited directions that separate areas yes, that is just how south east west and north directions work, we can do the same exact thing with our universe for example, if the totality is infinite then these cardinal directions would go on infinitely as well, but it isn't really impressive to cross from one to the other since they are nothing more than directions
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I don't think that this is enough
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If we’re going to go down the route of scaling all the way back from early DBZ using only accepted multipliers and scaling reflected on profiles, the speeds would look like this for Toei verse:
Base Goku ( Saiyan saga) : 1 serving placeholder for speed rating
KK3: 3x
Early Namek Base: 3x
KK10: 30x
Post Zenkai base : 30x
SS1: 1500x
Base Goku ( Cooler ) : 1500x
SS1 Goku ( Cooler/ Android/ Cells saga ): 75,000x
After that, all we have are marginal increases in power that don’t reflect changes in speed ratings.
Buu saga
Base Goku 75,000x
SS1 Goku 3,750,000x
( Pre-HTC) SS1 Gotenks 187,500,000x
( Post HTC )SS1 Gotenks 9,375,000,000x
Ultimate Gohan: 9,375,000,000x
Post Defusion SS1-SS3 Goku : 468,750,000,000x
Someone else do GT.
Base Goku ( Saiyan saga) : 1 serving placeholder for speed rating
KK3: 3x
Early Namek Base: 3x
KK10: 30x
Post Zenkai base : 30x
SS1: 1500x
Base Goku ( Cooler ) : 1500x
SS1 Goku ( Cooler/ Android/ Cells saga ): 75,000x
After that, all we have are marginal increases in power that don’t reflect changes in speed ratings.
Buu saga
Base Goku 75,000x
SS1 Goku 3,750,000x
( Pre-HTC) SS1 Gotenks 187,500,000x
( Post HTC )SS1 Gotenks 9,375,000,000x
Ultimate Gohan: 9,375,000,000x
Post Defusion SS1-SS3 Goku : 468,750,000,000x
Someone else do GT.
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They're not exclusively cardinal directions
The literal translation is "area." "北エリア" means "North Area"
They're only called quadrants because there's four of them
My point still stands
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Which changes nothing in what i said whatsoever since said areas are delimited by the cardinak directions, so the point stays exactly the same
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The difference is that these are specifically separate areas, not name-designated divisions of a totality of something
In fact, the latter is not even close to the case considering the Living World also contains a much larger darkness unreachable by the light. Another separate area
In fact, the latter is not even close to the case considering the Living World also contains a much larger darkness unreachable by the light. Another separate area
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Omega is right here the quadrants are called NSEW galaxies/sections/quadrants/areas because they’re seperated by 4 cardinal directions the totality equaling infinite amount of galaxies but as shown in my scan they extend outwards so it would just be high into MFTL+ when you cross a quadrant to another probably like billions or trillions of galaxies
The 4 quadrants add up to an infinite amount of galaxies and the quadrants extend outwards
So you shouldn’t need infinite speed to cross the quadrants
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Which changes my point how exactly?
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I mean, not impressive in comparison to infinite, but still, we would need a lot of assumption to pull out a calc based on it, alao like, depends on where you are in the quadrant, if you are closer to the point of separation between then it wouldn't be much impressive in comparison to of you are away from it
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I don't see how having an associated cardinal direction debunks them being separated infinities
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Yeah I know but they’d definitely still be MFTL+ values still and we don’t have to disregard them
because the totality of them is infinite
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That would be the case even if they weren't their own separate infinite space
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Who ever said that they aren't? That is not even remotely the point, they are separated by the cardinal directions, so they are as big as that direction goes, but that is not relevant for you going from south to north for example, there is no need to cross an infinite distance when all you need to do is to go into a straight line until you change your direction into another cardinal
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They aren't tho, they are in the same physical space
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But they become not feaseble since we don't have much of a way to cal them, like, i am not sure how would we even assume a distance in this case
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Low end assumptions are valid, for example we know Earth and Namek are on different galaxy quadrants so milky-way to andromeda is the absolute lowest end, on the higher end you could use the median distance between two superclusters of galaxies.
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Calcs are always based off assumptions we’d have a low end mid end and high end
The lowest possible end would probably be 1 galaxy though even that might be too much of A lowball
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What could be the mid and high end in your opinion?
I think this suggestion is a fine mid to high end:
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Like what Aguilla said probably hundreds to billions of super clusters of galaxies
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does beerus not exist???
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he does, what about him?
that would be a high end then, with the one galaxy to another a low end the two clusters as a mid end, that would work just fine, the mid end seems safer to me personally
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I doubt it will happen, but it would be cool imo if someone were to make a blog going into depth about Ki (what it is, it's applications, it's attributes, etc.) using canonical sources and guides.
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in the dbs manga, beerus was going to destroy the entire universe, how would they not scale? just like the anime?
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Imo Ki in like dbs and dbz should be treated like how dark Ki dark factor and like time power are treated where if something is done specifically with that UES it applies to all people and resistances since it’s pretty consistent with what it’s shown in the show
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yeah so?
i am just saying what is accepted at the moment
well BoG arc wouldn't for reason i said earlier
oh trust me, you don't want to fall under that hellhole, hax downgrades would probably be argued
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Nah it makes sense under UES stronger Ki>weaker Ki which would explain some things
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Someone tried to downgrade Hakai for those reasons but that proposal got rejected
On the other hand, staff just doesn't wanna do the UES for DBS for some reason
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If I remember that it was because of making something as interesting as Ki mastery, we could see Frieza mentally working his way through hell. Maybe Goku can withstand the effects of hakai in his basic state because of his mastery of ki. Even Vegeta said someone like Jiren has high Ki mastery in DBS:SH and he imitated it by training his mind, Whis also confirmed that.
Yeah
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They accepted the UES for DBH like nobody's business and now every DBH character is a ******* resistance wall
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No idea, just stop!
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