Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Sir_Marvulous]

Imagine a 12v1v1v1v1v2 as the running for the contest of power in the multiverse

Destroyers, Broly, Jiren, Frieza, Granolah, and the rivals (maybe 4 if Gohan and Piccolo?)

 

[RinneItachi]

so unless the leaks that ive read are incorrect, Whis implied that Frieza is still not a threat to Beerus

My prediction was nearly half correct, shockingly.

"Or Platinum Frieza has arrived and will get a statement of being above GoD level just to get fodderized by Beerus or something." Frieza does have a new transformation. While he isn't stated to be above Beerus nor fights him, the fact that Whis says so would imply that someone, possibly Goku, ponders if Frieza is stronger than Beerus, and then Whis affirms that Beerus is still far above him. I'll take it.

 

[RinneItachi]

Bad writing 101: When you know you've written yourself into a corner, simply move the goalpost, no matter how obvious it is that you're doing it.

BoG (anime and partially manga): SSJG Goku gave Beerus a genuine challenge and was not an easy opponent for Beerus to overcome.

RoF (anime): Goku and Vegeta have gotten closer, and when teaming up might have a shot against Beerus.

U6 Tournament (anime): Beerus is concerned about Goku having Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Whis questions if Beerus is afraid.

Goku Black Arc (manga): Supreme Kai thinks Vegito is probably > Beerus.

Exhibition Match (manga): Jiren stated to be stronger than Belmod in terms of raw power, who was arguably implied to be on a higher-level among the GoD's.

ToP (anime): Goku and Jiren stated to be above the GoD's numerous times, Goku achieving a state Beerus could not obtain. Goku beating Jiren who was stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction, who was stated to be stronger than Beerus.

ToP (manga): Implications that Goku and Jiren are probably around Beerus level.

Nearly everything after the ToP: Beerus still shitstomps no-diff kekw.

Fr, Beerus is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Black Frieza apparently, who just casually mutilated and killed Gas, who was in the process of wrecking Goku and Vegeta's shit while dying. Toriyama, Toyotaro, whoever tf is still writing seriously does not want Beerus to be surpassed by anyone who isn't already stronger than him.

 

[RinneItachi]

Maybe when Goku gets Ultra Instinct 4 we'll get a statement that he has reached 10% of Beerus' power.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This could be so very easily solved by making the GoDs train again so they're rivals rather than just ******* moving the goalpost at every point

I stg if they do this when the anime returns

 

[YukaSama4]

The author just doesn't know when to make the mc stronger than Beerus

 

[AwkguyDB]

Nearly everything after the ToP: Beerus still shitstomps no-diff kekw.

Fr, Beerus is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Black Frieza apparently, who just casually mutilated and killed Gas, who was in the process of wrecking Goku and Vegeta's shit while dying. Toriyama, Toyotaro, whoever tf is still writing seriously does not want Beerus to be surpassed by anyone who isn't already stronger than him.

H U R T S

 

[Quantu]

In their minds, if Goku surpasses Beerus, then what? Angel level threats?

 

[YukaSama4]

I mean even the brolly movie, its story was written by Toriyama who himself in the manga made Goku see the GoDs fight at full power, then Goku says that Broly might be above Beerus.

Then we have Moro > Broly and Jiren statement

Then Goku destroying that Moro easily

After that Goku said that he shouldn't mess with Beerus
Then Whis saying that this Frieza isn't the fighter whom the fish had a dream of, aka the fighter who will be Beerus' rival

 

[AwkguyDB]

Whis literally said Goku was baby (low level) angel tier

 

[Tipper17]

All this shows just how much of a mess Super is

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean even the brolly movie, its story was written by Toriyama who himself in the manga made Goku see the GoDs fight at full power, then Goku says that Broly might be above Beerus.

I don't remember manga have the same statement, and in anime sure Goku never actually know the full extent of Beerus power, he just guess

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I don't remember manga have the same statement, and in anime sure Goku never actually know the full extent of Beerus power, he just guess

Sure, but given all the times comparisons were drawn, moving the goalpost a huge problem

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Also, Beerus continuously scaling above the strongest mortals every arc already contradicts things previously implied in universe

 

[Vietthai96]

About anime, let see how this play out, since the gap between Broly and Super Hero is pretty big, and Super Hero is not exactly informative about this either

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

They've been rather decently adamant in the anime continuity that Beerus has been surpassed

Although once again, I do hope he and the other Destroyers start training again to keep the gap close

 

[ZetaMarishi]

Deadass if it turns out that Beerus was training behind the scenes this whole time, I'll laugh.

Just imagine, when Goku and Vegeta finally go off planet, Beerus just going to Whis like "Shit, I need to grind, these people are insane!"

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Deadass if it turns out that Beerus was training behind the scenes this whole time, I'll laugh.

Just imagine, when Goku and Vegeta finally go off planet, Beerus just going to Whis like "Shit, I need to grind, these people are insane!"

That's so much more cohesive and prevents Beerus upscaling from being contradictory to past statements

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Although the training would have to have started more recently because it was clear that Third Ultra Instinct Omen Goku and Full Power Jiren were above Beerus in power

 

[Vietthai96]

The thing about manga is, it move at wrong direction, similar to anime, it hyped Ultra Instinct, but make Goku capable of using it right at the next Arc, after ToP where it was hyped, it would be nice if they keep UI is a rare and occasional form that only accessible in dire situation for a while. And now because they make Goku can transform into UI too fast, it starting get nelf

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The thing about manga is, it move at wrong direction, similar to anime, it hyped Ultra Instinct, but make Goku capable of using it right at the next Arc, after ToP where it was hyped, it would be nice if they keep UI is a rare and occasional form that only accessible in dire situation for a while. And now because they make Goku can transform into UI too fast, it starting get nelf

That was their first mistake

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

When the Anime returns I am sure that Beerus will be again >>> Goku.

 

[Aachintya31]

The thing about manga is, it move at wrong direction, similar to anime, it hyped Ultra Instinct, but make Goku capable of using it right at the next Arc, after ToP where it was hyped, it would be nice if they keep UI is a rare and occasional form that only accessible in dire situation for a while. And now because they make Goku can transform into UI too fast, it starting get nelf

and now everyone is getting stronger than UI.

 

[SirAlex09]

When the Anime returns I am sure that Beerus will be again >>> Goku.

I think so as well but at least they will find a simple explaination like Beerus being motivated to train due to ToP.

 

[SirAlex09]

The thing about manga is, it move at wrong direction, similar to anime, it hyped Ultra Instinct, but make Goku capable of using it right at the next Arc, after ToP where it was hyped, it would be nice if they keep UI is a rare and occasional form that only accessible in dire situation for a while. And now because they make Goku can transform into UI too fast, it starting get ne

Yes It doesn't feel different from Super Saiyan at this point. He was barely dodging against Gas and mainly power clashing.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

I think so as well but at least they will find a simple explaination like Beerus being motivated to train due to ToP.

Or just like the Manga there will be statements that Goku is not as strong as Beerus... Most likely. Unlikely that Beerus will train.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yes It doesn't feel different from Super Saiyan at this point. He was barely dodging against Gas and mainly power clashing.

Look like toyotaro don't know how to express UI fighting style, i actually like how Anime expressed the form

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Yes It doesn't feel different from Super Saiyan at this point. He was barely dodging against Gas and mainly power clashing.

I get the point but the thing is since the opponents are stronger than UI Goku at the time then UI won't be as effective. Like when Black Frieza oneshotted him. The gap was such even with the UI Goku had he couldn't dodge.

 

[Tyranno223]

Yes It doesn't feel different from Super Saiyan at this point. He was barely dodging against Gas and mainly power clashing.

That's kinda a manga thing. It's nowhere near as good at showing off U.I's dodging compared to the anime (perhaps minus the Moro arc).

 

[SirAlex09]

I get the point but the thing is since the opponents are stronger than UI Goku at the time then UI won't be as effective. Like when Black Frieza oneshotted him. The gap was such even with the UI Goku had he couldn't dodge.

My Problem is that the whole gap thing is portrayed rather inconsistent. Base Goku with imperfect UI had dodging on par SSJ Vegeta.
Then we see Gas vs TUI Goku whom were initally on comperable levels but both were landing their fair share of punches.

In the ToP UI was beaten by using smart writing.

For example in the Anime Jiren managed to hit Goku by overpowering him in powerclashes when Goku was on the offense or by outmanevouring him in the air.
In manga on the other hand he realised that MUI only takes advantage of openings in the guard and drains the user. He beat MUI Goku by outlasting him staminawise. In both cases he found a way around it.

But now all you need is a small powergap. Frieza might be far more powerful but Gas clearly wasn't that much stronger.

 

[Greenshifter]

so unless the leaks that ive read are incorrect, Whis implied that Frieza is still not a threat to Beerus

At this point Beerus must have made a wish to be the strongest in the multiverse or smth

 

[Greenshifter]

who was stated to be stronger than Beerus.

When?

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Also it is obvious but Beerus has UE like Vegeta and also incomplete UI. That's why is not so easy to be surpassed.

Gas and Grannolah > Jiren but had statements that Dragon can not make them stronger than the Gods.

 

[Aachintya31]

Also it is obvious but Beerus has UE like Vegeta and also incomplete UI. That's why is not so easy to be surpassed.

Gas and Grannolah > Jiren but had statements that Dragon can not make them stronger than the Gods.

Beerus has no Ultra Ego but only ego

 

[Greenshifter]

In Heroes this inconsistency also appears somewhat, where there's a WoG that states the GoDs would just erase Hearts and the gang, despite Hearts being like 25000-200000 times stronger than ToP LB Jiren at that point.

 

[Spinoirr]

If the anime comes back and Beerus is stronger then Goku after the ToP just have Whis say he's been training after seeing UI Goku surpass him

 

[Greenshifter]

If the anime comes back and Beerus is stronger then Goku after the ToP

Technically this is already the case, if the Belmod > Beerus thing is true then Beerus is already implied to be stronger than during the ToP in DBS Broly.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Beerus has no Ultra Ego but only ego

He has the same technique... Remembered Toyo's interview...

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

If the anime comes back and Beerus is stronger then Goku after the ToP just have Whis say he's been training after seeing UI Goku surpass him

Unlikely... Like in the manga the previous staments won't hold value and Beerus will be > Goku without training.

 

[Aachintya31]

He has the same technique... Remebered Toyo's interview...

Then we need to wait for beerus's comment on vegeta's ultra ego