Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[AKM sama]

He is just moving enough to avoid getting hit at vital points.

 

[Tyranno223]

It's just a good skill feat.

 

[BOEGVELD]

The implication seems to be that he can literally shift his vitals.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

He is just moving enough to avoid getting hit at vital points.

I don't think that's true, we see his vital points go brr, then he gets hit in the vital but is unaffected as if it were a normal attack, and then granolah says he's shifting his vitals out of harms way, and goku himself says he moves his vitals after granolah locks on so he avoids the part where it would hurt, so this might be body control through ultra instinct.
So I guess if someone say granolah tried kicking Goku in the nuts, Goku's nuts would dodge the attack by retracting inside or something because even his nuts have ultra instinct.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The implication seems to be that he can literally shift his vitals.

Nah, he stated that he can't dodge the attack completely, but that he shifts his body at the last possible second to avoid getting hit in his most vital spots. He's just moving out of the way really quickly by anticipating Granolah's moves. It's a very good skill feat, and arguably good enough to be additional support for his Analytical Prediction.

Anyway, chapter was bloody fantastic. I loved it.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Nah, he stated that he can't dodge the attack completely, but that he shifts his body at the last possible second to avoid getting hit in his most vital spots. He's just moving out of the way really quickly by anticipating Granolah's moves. It's a very good skill feat, and arguably good enough to be additional support for his Analytical Prediction.

Anyway, chapter was bloody fantastic. I loved it.

Actually that makes more sense, but then why does his vital twitch before being hit?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Actually that makes more sense, but then why does his vital twitch before being hit?

I guess just Toyotaro's whacky way of portraying that he's narrowly avoiding the hit? Idk lol.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I guess just Toyotaro's whacky way of portraying that he's narrowly avoiding the hit? Idk lol.

Actually I know what it is. It's ultra instinct, when ultra instinct protects Goku, it also does that twitch thing, goku's chest also did the same thing when moro broke his hand on it, granolah also confirmed that Goku is using UI to do that, but the thing is Goku is also aware of this so he may also be doing it manually and ultra instinct helps him as he says he himself is doing it. Man granolah is really lucky that he got that hit off on UI Goku, or else he'd be f***ed.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, that could be it.

 

[BOEGVELD]

Nah, he stated that he can't dodge the attack completely, but that he shifts his body at the last possible second to avoid getting hit in his most vital spots. He's just moving out of the way really quickly by anticipating Granolah's moves. It's a very good skill feat, and arguably good enough to be additional support for his Analytical Prediction.

If that was the case then all he's doing is dodging as much as possible not get his vitals hit, but they definitely portray it like something more than that.

On page 14 you see something happening in/around Goku's neck to protect himself, but he's definitely not dodging.
On page 15 Goku says that the same move isn't gonna work on him again, which should imply he's doing a little more than barely dodging it.
On page 16 Goku's hit on the same place as he was in his previous fight, but now he's unaffected.
On page 17 Granolah verbatim states Goku is shifting his vitals. Goku also confirms this.
On page 17 Goku also explains he's able to do this in the pause between Granolah locking onto his vitals and the moment he attacks.
On page 18 Goku states he's able to shift enough so Granolah doesn't hit where it really hurts.
On page 18 Granolah also states that Gokunhas thought this through and calls Goku's move an "evasion technique".

So yeah, I do think the implication is that he's actually shifting his vitals. But that's just my take on it, though.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

If that was the case then all he's doing is dodging as much as possible not get his vitals hit, but they definitely portray it like something more than that.

On page 14 you see something happening in/around Goku's neck to protect himself, but he's definitely not dodging.
On page 15 Goku says that the same move isn't gonna work on him again, which should imply he's doing a little more than barely dodging it.
On page 16 Goku's hit on the same place as he was in his previous fight, but now he's unaffected.
On page 17 Granolah verbatim states Goku is shifting his vitals. Goku also confirms this.
On page 17 Goku also explains he's able to do this in the pause between Granolah locking onto his vitals and the moment he attacks.
On page 18 Goku states he's able to shift enough so Granolah doesn't hit where it really hurts.
On page 18 Granolah also states that Gokunhas thought this through and calls Goku's move an "evasion technique".

So yeah, I do think the implication is that he's actually shifting his vitals. But that's just my take on it, though.

Yeah I thought so too, but his evasion technique is actually ultra instinct, and he's shifting as in moving himself not literally moving his vitals, it makes more sense that way, UI is the reason for the twitching.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

On page 16 Goku's hit on the same place as he was in his previous fight, but now he's unaffected.

In the previous fight, Granolah struck Goku in his pectoral where the Whis symbol on his gi is. In this fight, Granolah only managed to strike him in his lower abdomen.

 

[BOEGVELD]

Yeah I thought so too, but his evasion technique is actually ultra instinct, and he's shifting as in moving himself not literally moving his vitals, it makes more sense that way, UI is the reason for the twitching.

Nothing implies he's using UI right now, though. Plus all he did in UI was amp a body part with ki to tank the attack. Against Granolah he's evading the attack.

 

[BOEGVELD]

In the previous fight, Granolah struck Goku in his pectoral where the Whis symbol on his gi is. In this fight, Granolah only managed to strike him in his lower abdomen.

I was talking about earlier in their fight. When he was still in SSG. Probably should've specified.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Nothing implies he's using UI right now, though. Plus all he did in UI was amp a body part with ki to tank the attack. Against Granolah he's evading the attack.

granolah confirms he's using it, he called it an evasion technique before. it also looks the same as when goku used it vs moro, UI is used for evading.

 

[SirAlex09]

I believe the vital points work like "Tenketsu" in Naruto. And Goku simply shifts his "Tenketsu" out of harms way

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Or maybe it spawns next to vegeta.

Can a Kiai blast actually spawn on or next to the target? I thought a Kiai gathered invisible ki and projected it from the user to achieve what they desired?

 

[Armerish]

Can a Kiai blast actually spawn on or next to the target? I thought a Kiai gathered invisible ki and projected it from the user to achieve what they desired?

Well i don't remember another kia spawning next to something. I suppose goku was fast enough to move vegeta before he was hitten by granolah as the other said.

 

[Vietthai96]

Kiai was not invisible ki blast, it is a technique that bend the air to create shockwave

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Can we conclude that a kiai is faster than other normal attacks? Considering Granolah was so close to attacking Vegeta, and Goku's kiai was able to reach him faster to move him out of the way.

I think so since (as far as I'm aware) no one in the story has been able to react to a Kiai attack. Heck even Shin was able to Kiai eye's Buu and Buu wasn't able to react (although it might likely cause it's an invisible blast), and when he did it again to save Gohan, Buu didn't even realize it.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Can we conclude that a kiai is faster than other normal attacks? Considering Granolah was so close to attacking Vegeta, and Goku's kiai was able to reach him faster to move him out of the way.

Probably.

 

[Armerish]

I think so since (as far as I'm aware) no one in the story has been able to react to a Kiai attack. Heck even Shin was able to Kiai eye's Buu and Buu wasn't able to react (although it might likely cause it's an invisible blast), and when he did it again to save Gohan, Buu didn't even realize it.

I have to agree that kia is very useful both in dragonball and here in vs battles

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

This video says otherwise about Kiai.

 

[Armerish]

This video says otherwise about Kiai.

Bruh 55 minutes of judging Kiai??
Now we have kiaihaters?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

He's not hating on Kiai, he's explaining Kiai and the different Kiai techniques we have seen in the story.

 

[Armerish]

He's not hating on Kiai, he's explaining Kiai and the different Kiai techniques we have seen in the story.

Now that I think how many times they have used kiai? I know I can see the video but I m very vage to do that.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Probably.

I thought that was Telekinesis.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I thought that was Telekinesis.

Probably.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I love how Toyotaro is exploring much more of his old abilities. The last time he used Telekinesis was in the Saiyan Saga, and the last time he used Telepathy was in the Android Saga, but he's using both of them more frequently.

I wish he would explore Saiyan biology.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Now that I think how many times they have used kiai? I know I can see the video but I m very vage to do that.

Not often enough imo lol. Don't worry, the content creator is super nice and chill in the vid. And thankfully it's segmented into parts so you can just go back to the part that you last watched.

 

[Armerish]

I love how Toyotaro is exploring much more of his old abilities. The last time he used Telekinesis was in the Saiyan Saga, and the last time he used Telepathy was in the Android Saga, but he's using both of them more frequently.

I wish he would explore Saiyan biology.

A thing I want to see again is the explosión manipulation but I don't think its very good to use it actually.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I love how Toyotaro is exploring much more of his old abilities. The last time he used Telekinesis was in the Saiyan Saga, and the last time he used Telepathy was in the Android Saga, but he's using both of them more frequently.

I wish he would explore Saiyan biology.

Agreed, maybe in this arc he will for a bit, but I doubt it.

 

[Armerish]

Not often enough imo lol. Don't worry, the content creator is super nice and chill in the vid. And thankfully it's segmented into parts so you can just go back to the part that you last watched.

So far I realize it's a split recap. I'll probably see it later. Also Thanks for the video.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I thought that was Telekinesis.

Was it? The way that he pushed Vegeta out of the way seemed more forceful than telekinesis, and doesn't TK in DB have an aura? I might be wrong of course.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

So far I realize it's a split recap. I'll probably see it later. Also Thanks for the video.

No problemo, it's pretty good and yeah it's super simple.

 

[Armerish]

Was it? The way that he pushed Vegeta out of the way seemed more forceful than telekinesis, and doesn't TK in DB have an aura? I might be wrong of course.

In the manga to use TK there's no always a aura.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

The second one is a kiai, but I get it now.

 

[Armerish]

The second one is a kiai, but I get it now.

Oh yeah lol. I was searching very fast the panels that I didn't notice.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

But after seeing the SSJ Goku Kiai again, I think that Goku did use Kiai to save Vegeta since both Vegeta and Frieza are surrounded by the same impact lines.

 

[Armerish]

But after seeing the SSJ Goku Kiai again, I think that Goku did use Kiai to save Vegeta since both Vegeta and Frieza are surrounded by the same impact lines.

For this type of situations, I really like the characters name the technique.