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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Valiant_Abyss
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I like it. It sounds weird at first but it kinda makes sense for Vegeta. I've grown used to it after a week.
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We got Migatte no Goku'i (The Secret of the Self Centered) and Wagamama no Goku'i (The Secret of the Self-Indulgent), which are both translated as Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego.
Valiant_Abyss
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Spanish officials translate it to Mega Instinct lmao.
Valiant_Abyss
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Ask the dragon ball wiki.
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They're treating it like UI where Angels have the technique and Goku has the transformation. Except here its that GoDs have the technique and Vegeta has the transformation.
Ultra Ego (ability)
Directory: Techniques → Supportive Techniques Ultra Ego (我儘わがままの極意ごくい, Wagamama no Goku'i, lit. "The Secret of the Self-indulgent") is a highly advanced battle technique, primarily used by Gods of Destruction. It can also be manifested through the Ultra Ego transformation by those who are...
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They're treating it like UI where Angels have the technique and Goku has the transformation. Except here its that GoDs have the technique and Vegeta has the transformation.
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I think I prefer Ultra Ego over Mega Instinct.
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Yeah Ultra Ego doesn't sound too bad after awhile, and I like how aside from indulging in his ego it makes Vegeta a bit more unhinged and ferocious in combat. Like he's lost all sense of self and is fighting with animalistic instincts
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In all fairness, I thought Ultra Instinct also sounded dumb for a while. While I think it sounds better than Ultra Ego does, I'm overall fine with the name Ultra Ego.
Though it is extremely funny that of course Vegeta gets a form named Ultra Ego.
Though it is extremely funny that of course Vegeta gets a form named Ultra Ego.
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Ultra instinct is like the dopest name ever what are you talking about? I think ultra ego sounds weird though but I'm fine with it, but there are better names.
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No implications it's actually power null on top of Goku never having been stated, shown, or implied to have it both in and outside of this specific example means it's a very big stretch to claim Goku has power null. And that's also on top of Vegeta being able to use an ability that can do the exact same thing in the very same arc.
Vegeta directly said himself that he can undo things like absorption and fusion. And you're saying that Goku can undo fusion with power null. Not contradictory?
Agree with stopping, not cause it isn't a CRT but because it's not an argument worth having. I could see you taking that out of context so I'll clarify, I'm not saying it's not worth having cause your opinion is objectively wrong, but primarily because it's an ability that I'm 99% certain won't ever get added. Also don't know why I'm back into the habit of wasting time arguing with other people over the internet when I have infinitely better things I could be doing. Guess that just happens sometimes. Bye now.
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Nah give him arc keys and not transformation keys, because his keys will be changed thanks to my CRT
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Not surprised Gogeta Blue seems (we don’t know yet) stronger than UI Goku. Honestly, only thing that people used to push UI Goku to such high levels of power was the fact that he ******* on Base Jiren, who at the time most people believed to be on the level of beerus if not stronger.
since beerus can’t be used anymore, that old scaling kinda goes out the window.
honestly is best to just ignore Beerus and Broly movie god tiers in general when scaling.
since beerus can’t be used anymore, that old scaling kinda goes out the window.
honestly is best to just ignore Beerus and Broly movie god tiers in general when scaling.
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I mean can you blame people? Jiren's whole gimmick was the whole "mortal who is above GoDs" yet it turned out that all of this was a bunch of lies fed to us.
Gogeta was 2 arcs ago.
It's really just blind hype and writers not thinking ahead at all so you get such conflicting narratives and matter of fact is Jiren was NEVER compared to Beerus in the manga, it's just promotion materials using big words to hype you up.
Gogeta was 2 arcs ago.
It's really just blind hype and writers not thinking ahead at all so you get such conflicting narratives and matter of fact is Jiren was NEVER compared to Beerus in the manga, it's just promotion materials using big words to hype you up.
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Actually in the anime it's true, Jiren > Beerus. But yeah what you said was true.
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Goku already surpassed Beerus in the Anime version, and same with the Broly movie. Also, it's more so that Manga Beerus is always getting stronger for unknown reasons rather than the whole "Being GoD tier being a fluke". Also, it's just Beerus who's that much stronger than other GoD in the manga iirc.
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It's not much different.
In the anime, he is never compared to Beerus and most of the wank for the new forms comes mainly from promo magazines.
Jiren is stated stronger than Belmod in both anime and manga and there is a promotion image fr the manga that states Jiren surpassing GoDs power in general.
Beerus is one of the 2 strongest GoDs but he's not THAT much stronger than the rest of them.
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Actually it was specifically stated by Whis that Goku has finally surpassed Beerus when he unleashed his UIM form.
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it is 2021 and people still thing Jiren only > Belmod, first Jiren was guessed by Whis to be perhaps > GoDs in general, people just love to take the statement that Jiren only > GoD of his universe thus > Belmod. And again people should abandon the whole thing of Beerus somehow > Belmod, nothing stated Beerus is strongest GoD even in manga, Beerus at the start of battle have slight advantage because of his incomplete UI
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Yeah, so what? Goku is a lot stronger than Jiren now and he's still weaker than Beerus.
It's not that deep, Jiren is hyped up by Whiss to be on the level of a GoD maybe even higher before he broke his limit everyone knows that. It still didn't matter since going by the current narrative Beerus still stomps despite everything that was said 3 years ago.
I like DBS but the consistency of it is dogshit because of the writing incompetence and lack of an actual goal on the horizon hence a lot of statements and feats conflict with each other creating this Beerus mess.
It's not that deep, Jiren is hyped up by Whiss to be on the level of a GoD maybe even higher before he broke his limit everyone knows that. It still didn't matter since going by the current narrative Beerus still stomps despite everything that was said 3 years ago.
I like DBS but the consistency of it is dogshit because of the writing incompetence and lack of an actual goal on the horizon hence a lot of statements and feats conflict with each other creating this Beerus mess.
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It's not like Beerus just stayed at the same level, even if he was weaker than UI Goku at the end of the ToP. I honestly think he just... keeps training as well.
He might be lazy, but he seems to have a lot of pride in his power, and that could've gotten him to do more again.
He might be lazy, but he seems to have a lot of pride in his power, and that could've gotten him to do more again.
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Goku is a lot stronger than Jiren??????, literally no, he still got cubstomp by Jiren except UI, and Complete UI = Limit Break Jiren. Goku still weaker than Beerus except UI. Broly was probably > Beerus but it is unknown, and the same Broly who can cubstomp both Goku and Vegeta SSB post-ToP. Right now we have nothing to scale Beerus, he is in a gray area. Current narrative is still stop at Broly Saga, and don't bring anime to mix with manga
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I literally have been watching DBS Anime as it was ongoing. Beerus was literally scared shitless over Goku's UI and Jiren's fight. And it was later Whis that confirmed a surpassing moment when his hair turned silver.
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no, Anime and Manga have different scaling, and the Anime narrative still stop at Broly Saga, everything in Manga can be way different in Anime in the future
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People shouldn't use the manga lore and details and apply it to the DBS anime version.
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Beerus was freaking out at suppressed Jiren and Omen Goku.
This is not an argument and no he was never "confirmed ".You are using a strong word for your take from that scene
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Zero7772 you're mixing the anime and manga, in the anime, goku and jiren surpass literally everyone including beerus, but the manga has beerus get retconed every arc so he's actually above UI Goku and granolah.
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We need Anime or....right now it is Toei DBS to continue (Toei probably will switch to Movie form) to judge anything
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Speaking of Beerus having "Ultra Ego."
We know he has an incomplete Ultra Instinct himself. As far as Vegito and Gogeta go, do you all think it'd be possible to use both ultra instinct and ultra ego at once, and if not, would it be possible for them to use it interchangeably? Ngl, I'd love to see Vegito or Gogeta kick ass using both UI and UI.
We know he has an incomplete Ultra Instinct himself. As far as Vegito and Gogeta go, do you all think it'd be possible to use both ultra instinct and ultra ego at once, and if not, would it be possible for them to use it interchangeably? Ngl, I'd love to see Vegito or Gogeta kick ass using both UI and UI.
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When that inevitably happens, wonder how people will feel. It’s probably the reason there was never a direct statement by name. I think the anime played it safe with the arm wrestling thing just in case. I doubt the writers knew where the **** Toriyama has beerus in the scaling chain, Turns out it was far higher than they anticipated.
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