Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I mean... neither does the statement as Shenlong says it, all he says is "i can't do stuff above my creator", which is vague

Plus... Orange Piccolo is not a potential unlock, Shenlong says it is an "extra" he gave, aka, separated from the Potential Unlock that made Piccolo Yellow, all we can get from that is that Shenlong somehow created a stronger power than his creator... which is now consistent with the Red Porunga in Daima, as Neva was terrified of the giants in that island, and the Third Eye should be >> to them as it gives "absolute power" in the Demon Realm

also... why bring up Elder Kai and Guru? they have no restrictions like Shenlong as far as we know


as i said above, that is not what Orange Piccolo is, that was an "extra" Shenlong put in after doing the Potential Unlock

It absolutely is a potential unlock lmao. This is dumb as fck. Shenron most likely tapped into more of Piccolo's potential as a bit extra, given that was what he was just upgraded to do.

You are aggressively missing the point. Unlocking potential is a skill. An ability. It's not based on how strong you are, but how good you are at the ability. Shenron just got upgraded to use the ability. His strength has no bearing on that ability, because no one else who has that ability like Guru or Old Kai have that limitation either and can unlock potential of those stronger than them.

 

[Omegabronic]

It absolutely is a potential unlock lmao. This is dumb as fck.

Calling something dumb just to demorolize it is... not a a good way to argue tbh

Shenron most likely tapped into more of Piccolo's potential as a bit extra, given that was what he was just upgraded to do.

that... is headcanon, if he liberated Piccolo's potential... why would he doing exactly as he was wished to do be "an extra"? That would be the default by that logic

You are aggressively missing the point.

I don't believe i was aggressive at all during all of this tho?

Unlocking potential is a skill. An ability-

And my point was that Orange Form is not a potential unlock... thus all you said here is moot and doesn't correlate to anything i argued

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Huesito88]

I wonder if they'll let Vegeta keep his blue eyes for his ssj4

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Calling something dumb just to demorolize it is... not a a good way to argue tbh


that... is headcanon, if he liberated Piccolo's potential... why would he doing exactly as he was wished to do be "an extra"? That would be the default by that logic


I don't believe i was aggressive at all during all of this tho?


And my point was that Orange Form is not a potential unlock... thus all you said here is moot and doesn't correlate to anything i argued

Why wouldn't Orange form be a potential unlock? You've created this massive head canon based on nothing.

Orange Piccolo came after Shenron was granted the ability to unlock potential. It coming from anything else is head canon.

Unlocking potential is a skill with varying degrees of effectiveness, like you get stronger from Old Kai than you do Guru. 'Extra' could just mean Shenron unlocked more potential like Old Kai did, and no that wouldn't be default because standard namekian based potential unlock would be something like what Guru did.

When you say something dumb and use bad arguements, I will call it dumb lol. I didn't say you were being aggressive, I said you were aggressively misunderstanding the point, as in you were not comprehending my points and not responding to them.

Like you did just now.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

So, Gomah with the Third eye has; Earth manipulation, Magic, Telekinesis, Energy reflection (Can even stop energy blasts with tk), Barrier creation, paralysis and his most impressive ability Power nullification (Was able to degrade Goku from all his forms), and perhaps some type of immortality/Invulnerability and reactive evolution (Came back after Goku desintegrated him with a kame hame ha and grew stronger indefintely to the point of overwhelming SSJ4 Goku) and he was stated to have infinite power with said eye by Neva himself, so yeah

 

[Spinoirr]

So, Gomah with the Third eye has; Earth manipulation, Magic, Telekinesis, Energy reflection (Can even stop energy blasts with tk), Barrier creation, paralysis and his most impressive ability Power nullification (Was able to degrade Goku from all his forms), and perhaps some type of immortality/Invulnerability and reactive evolution (Came back after Goku desintegrated him with a kame hame ha and grew stronger indefintely to the point of overwhelming SSJ4 Goku) and he was stated to have infinite power with said eye by Neva himself, so yeah

Probably has Subjective Reality tbh

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Will Goku have Ssj4 in his Dragon Ball Z profile or will we have his own profile for Goku Daima?

 

[Spinoirr]

Will Goku have Ssj4 in his Dragon Ball Z profile or will we have his own profile for Goku Daima?

Daima is getting his own profile

Add daima goku as a key to Super anime goku for the Kai scaling version

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Daima is getting his own profile

Add daima goku as a key to Super anime goku for the Kai scaling version

This is going to be so cool

 

[Omegabronic]

Why wouldn't Orange form be a potential unlock? You've created this massive head canon based on nothing.

... i explained why i think that already? The potential unlock was the base wish, Shenlong says the Orange Power up is an "extra" on top of that

You are the one saying it MUST be a potential unlock based on nothing

Orange Piccolo came after Shenron was granted the ability to unlock potential. It coming from anything else is head canon.

Exept Shenlong himself after granting Piccolo the Potential Unlock wish said that he gave an "extra" in addition, aka, he gave a separated thing from the potential unlock on top of it

Unlocking potential is a skill with varying degrees of effectiveness, like you get stronger from Old Kai than you do Guru. 'Extra' could just mean Shenron unlocked more potential like Old Kai did, and no that wouldn't be default because standard namekian based potential unlock would be something like what Guru did.

Again, you are expeculating based around the "fact" that it is a Potential Unlock... which we don't have anything saying it is + We have Shenlong implying it is something else on top of it

It makes no sense for the "extra" to be him just granting the normal wish, that wouldn't be an extra

When you say something dumb and use bad arguements, I will call it dumb lol.

I mean that's kind of mean, but sure, likewise, if you say something that doesn't make sense to me i will point out and say why it doesn't make sense to me

I didn't say you were being aggressive, I said you were aggressively misunderstanding the point, as in you were not comprehending my points and not responding to them.

i see, my mistake then. However, i believe i do understand your point... i just don't agree with it

Like you did just now.

I mean... i didn't, your point is "Orange Piccolo is a potential unlock" right? If yes then i don't see how i didn't understood your point

 

[Omegabronic]

Daima is getting his own profile

Add daima goku as a key to Super anime goku for the Kai scaling version

Ehhh, we would still need to discuss if it is canon to Kai to begin with

Also... why would it be in the Super profile... if Daima isn't Super?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Unlocking potential is a skill with varying degrees of effectiveness, like you get stronger from Old Kai than you do Guru. 'Extra' could just mean Shenron unlocked more potential like Old Kai did, and no that wouldn't be default because standard namekian based potential unlock would be something like what Guru did.

Except, what Piccolo asked of Shenron was to have his potential unlocked to its limits, like Guru could; he directly referenced Guru's ability specifically. What Elder Kai does is unleash a target's potential beyond its limits. What Shenron did is unlock Piccolo's potential to its limits, which is his Ultimate form, and then throw in an "extra", which is his Orange form.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

The canon is going to be the death of me

 

[Huesito88]

The canon is going to be the death of me

I wonder who will make the thread, once Daima ends or 1 month after? (because we should wait for a Interview to pop up or something about Kakarot)

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I wonder who will make the thread, once Daima ends or 1 month after? (because we should wait for a Interview to pop up or something about Kakarot)

Tbf I think this might just end up as an alternate timeline

 

[Executor_N0]

According to Iyoku, they have a lot of lore that was made by Toriyama, such as the actual diagram of how the Demon World and the overall universe is structured and how each thing that appeared in the show works, but they have no intent of showing it all in the anime. Maybe it could show up in a guidebook later on.

「鳥山明先生が全て作ったような作品」　「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」エグゼクティブ・プロデューサー伊能昭夫インタビュー　 | ほっとエンタメ | 沖縄タイムス＋プラス

日本を代表するアニメで、全世界にファンが広がる「ドラゴンボール」シリーズ。原作漫画の連載開始から４０年を迎え、ファン待望の新作「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」（フジテレビ系、金曜深夜）が放送されている。

www.okinawatimes.co.jp

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

According to Iyoku, they have a lot of lore that was made by Toriyama, such as the actual diagram of how the Demon World and the overall universe is structured and how each thing that appeared in the show works, but they have no intent of showing it all in the anime. Maybe it could show up in a guidebook later on.

「鳥山明先生が全て作ったような作品」　「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」エグゼクティブ・プロデューサー伊能昭夫インタビュー　 | ほっとエンタメ | 沖縄タイムス＋プラス

日本を代表するアニメで、全世界にファンが広がる「ドラゴンボール」シリーズ。原作漫画の連載開始から４０年を迎え、ファン待望の新作「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」（フジテレビ系、金曜深夜）が放送されている。

www.okinawatimes.co.jp

I hope you talk about the size of Makai, there are many things that are still unknown like the creation of Makai or who created the afterlife and dimension of the Kaioshin.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

According to Iyoku, they have a lot of lore that was made by Toriyama, such as the actual diagram of how the Demon World and the overall universe is structured and how each thing that appeared in the show works, but they have no intent of showing it all in the anime. Maybe it could show up in a guidebook later on.

「鳥山明先生が全て作ったような作品」　「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」エグゼクティブ・プロデューサー伊能昭夫インタビュー　 | ほっとエンタメ | 沖縄タイムス＋プラス

日本を代表するアニメで、全世界にファンが広がる「ドラゴンボール」シリーズ。原作漫画の連載開始から４０年を迎え、ファン待望の新作「ドラゴンボールＤＡＩＭＡ」（フジテレビ系、金曜深夜）が放送されている。

www.okinawatimes.co.jp

Luckily i have the translation here

Iyoku-san commented, “In order not to overwhelm Sensei, our intention was not to ask him to create everything at once, but rather to show him a little of what we were doing and ask him what he thought .” But Toriyama-san got more and more excited, until in the end, “he ended up creating almost everything ,” he said.

“The story was completely made by him. He also designed almost all of the characters. From the characters that appear in a tavern to the monsters that appear in the various regions of the Demon World [Makai], he did everything. Even the mechas, like the planes, he designed as well. What surprised me the most, to the point where I thought, ‘Is this serious?’, was the design of Warp-sama. Going to another universe with a mecha that looks like a goldfish [kingyo], that only sensei could have thought of. And also the world itself. Dai Makai is divided into 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Makai, and he also thought about the shape and origin of each of them. In fact, there was hardly anything he didn’t do.”

Scan 1=

Iyoku-san was by Toriyama-san’s side for a long time. How did he feel Toriyama-san’s “greatness”?

“The easiest thing to understand was the design. I think everyone can see that it is something unique and impossible to imitate. During the time I worked with him, what impressed me the most was the greatness of the story. Creating an original world is very difficult. How does this world work? Which characters will appear? His dedication, with attention to the smallest details, somehow made me feel the intensity of it. Furthermore, the sensei, with his spirit of dedication to the public, always surprised me.”

Scan 2=

“DAIMA” also became an anime in which we can feel the “greatness” of Toriyama-san.

“Since the first conversation about the project was six years ago, we spent a lot of time developing it. From the beginning, we didn’t have a set release date, nor did we think about when or how it would be released, we created it without rushing, without worrying about time. Among the many elements, we rearranged, expanded and corrected several times, creating everything calmly and carefully.”

Scan 3=

 

[Executor_N0]

Luckily i have the translation here

That is not the same interview, that is a previous one from a few days ago from Mantan-web. The one I linked is a new one from Kyodo News that was released yesterday.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That is not the same interview, that is a previous one from a few days ago from Mantan-web. The one I linked is a new one from Kyodo News that was released yesterday.

So then there's another one about

 

[Huesito88]

Tbf I think this might just end up as an alternate timeline

Alternate Canon timeline within the greater multiverse or non canon alternate timeline (aka most of the old DBZ movies)？

 

[Huesito88]

Looking good

 

[Spinoirr]

Looking good

Ssj5 becomes real

 

[Huesito88]

Ssj5 becomes real

Mira

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

So are there any impressive feats for daima goku or is he just upscaling from Buu again?

 

[Hizack123]

So are there any impressive feats for daima goku or is he just upscaling from Buu again?

We do get a Cosmology update + Statement that Third eye grant user a power to rule demon realm. (Although we still don't know how literally this is.)

 

[Entity]

Statement that Third eye grant user a power to rule demon realm

It probably gives the user reactive evolution. Gets beaten up by Goku ssj3-->Becomes stronger-->Gets beaten up by Goku ssj4-->Becomes stronger and gains the ability to turn off Goku's transformations

 

[Hizack123]

It probably gives the user reactive evolution. Gets beaten up by Goku ssj3-->Becomes stronger-->Gets beaten up by Goku ssj4-->Becomes stronger and gains the ability to turn off Goku's transformations

Probably.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So are there any impressive feats for daima goku or is he just upscaling from Buu again?

Vegeta opening the ocean with a kick and Vegeta punching a character and that character crossing a planet

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Teleportation :3

 

[Hasty12345]

Teleportation :3

Haven’t we known this since the 80s?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Haven’t we known this since the 80s?

Not that the movement is instantaneous, people draw conclusions with theories to say that the movement of teleportation is not instantaneous.

 

[Chariot190]

Vegeta opening the ocean with a kick and Vegeta punching a character and that character crossing a planet

That planet is like a King kai size planet tho, go frame by frame and it isn't even subtle, a tree takes up like 20% of the surface, Tagami 2 itself is like 1/10th of it on impact.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That planet is like a King kai size planet tho, go frame by frame and it isn't even subtle, a tree takes up like 20% of the surface, Tagami 2 itself is like 1/10th of it on impact.

It depends on the point of view

 

[Hasty12345]

Not that the movement is instantaneous, people draw conclusions with theories to say that the movement of teleportation is not instantaneous.

I genuinely think you’re just wrong here, it’s been universally accepted that IT is in fact teleportation outside of one non-canon movie scene.

 

[Chariot190]

It depends on the point of view

It literally doesn't my dude. I promise you, I was gonna calc it but quite literally every instance it's absolutely miniscule. And in hindsight, given it's just floating above the ocean, below cloud level even, and we see both before and after that Vegeta is in view and in the same general area, which makes no sense if he just passed by a 10000km planet, he'd be ridiculously far away from where Goku and co is, but he's in still just kind of there.

Planet is just small, less a planet and more a floating rock.

If we're talking feats of note in Daima, what Daima does give is LS feats. LS feats that are very much important to scaling, straight upgrades from the Z manga. One of which I've been eyeing and I'm like, 40% sure might be Class G? But if not it's 6 digit Class M.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Literalmente não faz meu cara. Prometo-vos, eu ia calcá-lo mas literalmente em todos os casos é absolutamente minúsculo. E em retrospectiva, dado que ele está apenas flutuando acima do oceano, abaixo do nível da nuvem, mesmo, e vemos tanto antes quanto depois que Vegeta está em vista e na mesma área geral, o que não faz sentido se ele acabou de passar por um planeta de 10000 km, ele estaria ridiculamente longe de onde Goku e companhia estão, mas ele ainda está meio que lá.

Planeta é apenas pequeno, menos planeta e mais rocha flutuante.

Se estamos falando de feitos dignos de nota em Daima, o que Daima dá são feitos em LS. feitos LS que são muito importantes para escalar, atualizações diretas do mangá Z. Um dos quais eu tenho olhado e eu estou tipo, 40% certo que pode ser Classe G? Mas se não for a Classe M de 6 dígitos.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I genuinely think you’re just wrong here, it’s been universally accepted that IT is in fact teleportation outside of one non-canon movie scene.

If the movement is instantaneous and whoever reacts should obviously have immeasurable speed, but there is no immeasurable speed in Goku's profile, then maybe i'm correct about that.

 

[Hasty12345]

If the movement is instantaneous and whoever reacts should obviously have immeasurable speed, but there is no immeasurable speed in Goku's profile, then maybe i'm correct about that.

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