Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Ednaxel2]

the 54 universes is already a statement not a feat

And? He’s already shown capable of restoring 17 macrocosms, 18 is not whatsoever a stretch

 

[Sus]

And? He’s already shown capable of restoring 17 macrocosms, 18 is not whatsoever a stretch

he restored less, but yeah

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

To be more specific, Super Shenron can do anything , as well as any 'can do anything' is vague and usually riddled with hyperbole or used metaphorically to mean he can do many but not all things, which would still be vague. We'd need proof of extent of what they mean by it.

Now if they said absolutely anything that's an open and shut case considering what the term means is supercharging anything to it's maximum , but in fiction that's really never used to my knowledge (unless you're on Powerlisting Wiki)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hyperbole is contradicted when it is said multiple times, Ss it is full of quotes that can do anything, even for Toei, work, there is no limitation to his requests.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Hyperbole is contradicted when it is said multiple times, Ss it is full of quotes that can do anything, even for Toei, work, there is no limitation to his requests.

So he defeat Zeno? Even though it is stated that "No one" can do so?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Hyperbole is contradicted when it is said multiple times, Ss it is full of quotes that can do anything, even for Toei, work, there is no limitation to his requests.

Multiple times still doesn't confirm what they meant by it. Unless they affirm there is no limitations or exceptions to it and nothing contradicts it, there will always be wiggle room to imply a limitation or exception exists, especially with Zeno being a living roadblock to the idea.

 

[Sus]

shenron not being able to kill zeno doesn't necessarily mean he can't destroy a timeline

 

[Sus]

we already assume he can effect all 18 macrocosms, despite him only effecting like 7 or something on screen

why that and not the entire timeline

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So he defeat Zeno? Even though it is stated that "No one" can do so?

Of course, why not? Zeno mentions that he can do anything several times, this includes wiping Zeno himself off the face of the earth, we all know that Zeno is just a puppet of another superior being, where have you ever seen a weak God like Zeno who can't see the speed of other characters.


Confirmed by Champa that can accomplish anything without exception, Zeno, Daishinkan, Zuno.

Abilities: He can fulfill any wish made of him in the ancient language of the gods, without any restrictions, except for the fact that only one wish can be made at a time.

 

[Sus]

we all know that Zeno is just a puppet of another superior being

u can't use theories in debating..

 

[Sus]

Of course, why not? Zeno mentions that he can do anything several times, this includes wiping Zeno himself off the face of the earth, we all know that Zeno is just a puppet of another superior being, where have you ever seen a weak God like Zeno who can't see the speed of other characters.


Confirmed by Champa that can accomplish anything without exception, Zeno, Daishinkan, Zuno.

the grand priest scan is really good actually, he straight up says there's no wish beyond shenron

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Multiple times still doesn't confirm what they meant by it. Unless they affirm there is no limitations or exceptions to it and nothing contradicts it, there will always be wiggle room to imply a limitation or exception exists, especially with Zeno being a living roadblock to the idea.

I don't see how it's hyperbole, since that's exactly what he can do, and saying it several times only reinforces his achievements even more, but it's said that there's no excess to his desires, it's even said by characters who have cosmic consciousness within DB, i don't see any refutation and saying it's hypnobabble doesn't help much.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Of course, why not? Zeno mentions that he can do anything several times, this includes wiping Zeno himself off the face of the earth, we all know that Zeno is just a puppet of another superior being, where have you ever seen a weak God like Zeno who can't see the speed of other characters.

Bro is reading too much DB fanfics

Confirmed by Champa that can accomplish anything without exception, Zeno, Daishinkan, Zuno.

Beerus and Whis talking about Zeno:

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

u can't use theories in debating..

It's not theory, Zeno literally needs a tablet to keep up with the speed of the warriors, he's literally a child in the verse, he doesn't look like the God tier of the verse at all.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bro is reading too much DB fanfics


Beerus and Whis talking about Zeno:

This is all a retcon, when Zeno mentions that the SS can do anything in the Tournament of Power, which includes Zeno's wishes.

 

[Sus]

Bro is reading too much DB fanfics


Beerus and Whis talking about Zeno:

ap vs wish granting

 

[Sus]

It's not theory, Zeno literally needs a tablet to keep up with the speed of the warriors, he's literally a child in the verse, he doesn't look like the God tier of the verse at all.

well, he is the god of the verse, be a child or not

 

[Huesito88]

ap vs wish granting

Can SS wish someone else to be stronger then Zeno?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

well, he is the god of the verse, be a child or not

I hate to admit it, but it's like OPM fans once told me, Zeno gets blitzed by characters and the only way for him to win a fight is to resort to his existential erasure, lol

 

[Sus]

zeno and the grand priest themselves say that shenron has no limit, they're more reliable than beerus and whis imo
and the statements aren't even contradictory


but this kinda diverged from my initial point
my point was, if we're gonna assume, why assume specifically "all universes without the timeline"? scaling him to his actual feat is a better option

Can SS wish someone else to be stronger then Zeno?

whether i say yes or no is all speculation, we don't know

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

This is all a retcon, when Zeno mentions that the SS can do anything in the Tournament of Power, which includes Zeno's wishes.

Trying to use Zeno as a good source while mentioning he is "just a child" it´s funny

There is no proof of a retcon

 

[Sus]

I hate to admit it, but it's like OPM fans once told me, Zeno gets blitzed by characters and the only way for him to win a fight is to resort to his existential erasure, lol

that is true, but that's the point
he's an overly strong child, upset him and ur entire world gets erased

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Trying to use Zeno as a good source while mentioning he is "just a child" it´s funny

There is no proof of a retcon

The problem is when Zeno only has one quote of being superior, while Ss has several and which is further confirmed by Zeno that it has no limits (the child himself who is claimed as all powerful)

 

[Sus]

guys why did this become a shenron vs zeno argument

it was about shenron being tier 1

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

that is true, but that's the point
he's an overly strong child, upset him and ur entire world gets erased

Poor Akira Toriyama, he didn't know how to make a God in the verse and made him limited to a tablet

I still have hope that the God in the verse is really another character and not one who cannot keep up with other characters.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

guys why did this become a shenron vs zeno argument

it was about shenron being tier 1

They think Zeno is immune to reality manipulation

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The problem is when Zeno only has one quote of being superior, while Ss has several and which is further confirmed by Zeno that it has no limits (the child himself who is claimed as all powerful)

There ins´t only one quote

Zeno being superior to everyone else is a prominent point in the plot, you can't simple dismiss it

Poor Akira Toriyama, he didn't know how to make a God in the verse and made him limited to a tablet

I still have hope that the God in the verse is really another character and not one who cannot keep up with other characters.

The true God will be a Tier 0 Monad, Toyotaro said this to me

 

[Sus]

Poor Akira Toriyama, he didn't know how to make a God in the verse and made him limited to a tablet

I still have hope that the God in the verse is really another character and not one who cannot keep up with other characters.

i had a headcanon of the priest being the true god

it kinda came to be true (in the manga at least)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

There ins´t only one quote

Zeno being superior to everyone else is a prominent point in the plot, you can't simple dismiss it

Two random quotes only, only by low-ranking characters, but when others are feeling more, like Zeno, Daishinkan, Zuno.

The true God will be a Tier 0 Monad, Toyotaro said this to me

I don't even know who this is

 

[Fezzih_007]

Poor Akira Toriyama, he didn't know how to make a God in the verse and made him limited to a tablet

Bro, Zeno used that tablet just to keep up with one fight, why bring up that like he actually needs It to the entire tournament?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i had a headcanon of the priest being the true god

it kinda came to be true (in the manga at least)

In the manga he has quotes of being above everyone in the verse, Zeno appears to be a puppet of the Daishinkan

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bro, Zeno used that tablet just to keep up with one fight, why bring up that like he actually needs It to the entire tournament?

But he needed to see in every tournament ( even after that fight he continued using it to watch the fights), Daishinkan had to update it to keep up with some characters, but that's literally what he did.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Two random quotes only, only by low-ranking characters, but when others are feeling more, like Zeno, Daishinkan, Zuno.

These "low-rank" characters are some of the most knowledgeble people on the Verse

Zeno being superior to everyone else is a prominent point in the plot, you can't simple dismiss it

 

[Sus]

zeno kinda sucks but we can't dismiss his status just because he's ass

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

These "low-rank" characters are some of the most knowledgeble people on the Verse

Zeno, Zuno, Daishinkan, have more knowledge about the Ss (still has more preference than Kaioshin and a Beerus)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

zeno kinda sucks but we can't dismiss his status just because he's ass

We don't rule it out, we're just making fun of him for not following some characters anyway (he also does not convey an image of God from the multiverse)

 

[Fezzih_007]

But he needed to see in every tournament, Daishinkan had to update it to keep up with some characters, but that's literally what he did.

What?
Are you saying when he was deleting people who got defeated in his godpad? Because he din't actually need It to keep up with anyone, just Dyspo.

 

[Sus]

can't wait for goku to surpass zeno

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Zeno, Zuno, Daishinkan, have more knowledge about the Ss (still has more preference than Kaioshin and a Beerus)

Only Zuno is arguable, Daishinkan and Zeno don´t have too much knowledge outside of knowing the function of the SDBs

Zeno being superior to everyone else is a prominent point in the plot, you can't simple dismiss it

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What?
Are you saying when he was deleting people who got defeated in his godpad? Because he din't actually need It to keep up with anyone, just Dyspo.

After that he was still using it, there were other fights that he couldn't even follow on his own tablet and complaining to Daishinkan