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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Hsharpe
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i think neutral space can be upgraded to 6-D
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Zeno is omnipotent
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Fezzih_007
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Why?
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It's basically just instinctive reaction, and there aren't even that incredible feats.
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I'm going to be honest with all of you and say...
dragon ball writing fell off after cell saga
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in terms of writing? i have to disagree
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This reminds me of a popluar rumour but I've never found any solid proof of it being true. Apparently there's a West Vs East divide when it comes to Cell and Buu with Cell being very popluar in the West but not so much in Japan while the reverse is true with Buu, ofc when it comes to villains they both play second figure to Frieza from what I've seen in various forums.
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you read my mind
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probably true, Japanese audience usually has different opinions than western ones
im neither so
Fezzih_007
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Fr, Is only very good in the Gohan part. The rest is Mid.
Buu Saga while also have some... Ok a Lot of problems, the comedy saved the Arc.
Fezzih_007
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How that would make "extremally useless" trought?
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mmm, maybe because it is hard to obtain, and i expect for something that was actually worth to obtain once you get that, but, just a simply instinctive reaction?
like, the ability is not comparable to the amount of work you have to achieve that.
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UI would feel more worth it if Goku actually gained angel powers because tbh
DivineAura44
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Buu Saga > The Best Saga in the franchise... OK buddy
Fezzih_007
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What about the Power boost the form gaves? Like, Goku as getting stomped by Jiren, as able to complete dominate the fight after.
DivineAura44
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To everyone calling UI useless, why is Super Saiyan better?
Fezzih_007
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No one saying Buu Saga is best than the Red Ribbon Saga, what are you on?
DivineAura44
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Yeah of course they aren't. Buu Saga is leagues ahead of RR, no one even compares them. People are saying it's better than the Cell Saga though (which is the best) and I have to inform them that they are incorrect.
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Right they should make Goku Blue
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Why don't people understand what I'm saying? I say that the ability it has is useless, the power boost, for me at least, is not something relevant to mention because it is obviously going to have a power boost because is a transformation
the ability to ''act without thinking''is my problem.
Fezzih_007
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Damn, I laugh so hard that i vomit. Unfortunelly, I regret to inform that is not Canon, Akira said that Red Ribbon Saga is better than Cell Saga.
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Cell saga is nowhere near the best, frieza and saiyan saga clear>
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A very tilted take
Fezzih_007
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Because is "hard to obtain"? Just because is hard to obtain, don't mean that now you can "act without thinking" is not super usefull. Like, that gives a better advantage during combat that what might think.
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Compared to fiction, no, it is not useful, but I should not say useless, but worthless (there is no reason to take you so long to have this)
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Isn't that just shit most martial artists strive to be capable of anyways, even irl? Working off of pure instinct?
Fezzih_007
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Ah, i see...
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Yes, but for a series where throwing energy balls became normal, I would expect something BIGGER!
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Did you think he was going to compare it with his own series?Ah, i see...
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I mean Dragon Ball started off as being about martial arts and stuff till the Z era came around battles became more destructive and over the top.
But when you think about it: isn't Ultra Instinct the accumulation of everything that Goku was taught by all his teachers and the lessons he learned in his own accord? To me, Ultra Instinct represents the years of character growth Goku had.
Fezzih_007
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Bro, you said:
What in that sentence I would interpret as you saying "compared to other pieces of fiction"?
Not to mention, this logic is flawed. "This ability is useless because is hard to obtain, while this other pieces of media have the same ability which is easy to obtain", like bro, that still would't make useless.
Like, If you comparing Ultra Instict to other abilities in fiction, and still ignoring the Power boost, that still would't make useless even If is difficult to obtain.
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Nah, Goku was already shooting energy blasts in the 15th chapter
Pretty much this, it is the accumulation of every single step that made Goku become someone powerful enough to be feared even by Gods, also representing it's grown as a character
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The ability allows you to fight people who are stronger then you. Like a literal fusion level difference stronger.
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