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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Fezzih_007 said:
Bro, you said:

What in that sentence I would interpret as you saying "compared to other pieces of fiction"?

Not to mention, this logic is flawed. "This ability is useless because is hard to obtain, while this other pieces of media have the same ability which is easy to obtain", like bro, that still would't make useless.

Like, If you comparing Ultra Instict to other abilities in fiction, and still ignoring the Power boost, that still would't make useless even If is difficult to obtain.
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Because the power boost does not come from the ability, it comes from the transformation that Goku uses.
except that with other abilities in serieses they are not considered divine level or something.
Like really in other verses they just use this ability, even if it does not have the power boost, at least they don't try to sell it has a super divine power
 
Ultra Instinct is NOT useless.

1) It’s layered instinctive reaction. Moving by instinct explicitly isn’t just what UI is. It’s a realm of pure thoughtlessness and combat beyond that.
2) Constant evolution capacity and adaptability for combat scenarios
3) A massive speed increase, even without the transformation, just off of using the technique in base form.
4) Massive power, durability, etc. increase in general via the form.
5) Ability nullification in dispelling Ki.
6) Deconstruction of objects at a point.
7) Giant Ki Avatar
8) Immunity to being read or analyzed in combat, down to the cellular level
9) Due to fighting without thinking, your movements become harder to predict and your very movement of cells alters compared to a normal fighter, even without the form.
10) Can be used in conjunction with anything.

That’s 10 already really good reasons to have it, and Goku hasn’t even mastered it completely, yet.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Ultra Instinct is NOT useless.

1) It’s layered instinctive reaction. Moving by instinct explicitly isn’t just what UI is. It’s a realm of pure thoughtlessness and combat beyond that.
2) Constant evolution capacity and adaptability for combat scenarios
3) A massive speed increase, even without the transformation, just off of using the technique in base form.
4) Massive power, durability, etc. increase in general via the form.
5) Ability nullification in dispelling Ki.
6) Deconstruction of objects at a point.
7) Giant Ki Avatar
8) Immunity to being read or analyzed in combat, down to the cellular level
9) Due to fighting without thinking, your movements become harder to predict and your very movement of cells alters compared to a normal fighter, even without the form.
10) Can be used in conjunction with anything.

That’s 10 already really good reasons to have it, and Goku hasn’t even mastered it completely, yet.
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In the manga i also remember Merus using his superior instinct to seal some of Moro's abilities and Whis said he can do like Merus with the power of the Gods to seal abilities ( chapter 66)

 
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RedReaper616 said:
Ultra Instinct is NOT useless.

1) It’s layered instinctive reaction. Moving by instinct explicitly isn’t just what UI is. It’s a realm of pure thoughtlessness and combat beyond that.
2) Constant evolution capacity and adaptability for combat scenarios
3) A massive speed increase, even without the transformation, just off of using the technique in base form.
4) Massive power, durability, etc. increase in general via the form.
5) Ability nullification in dispelling Ki.
6) Deconstruction of objects at a point.
7) Giant Ki Avatar
8) Immunity to being read or analyzed in combat, down to the cellular level
9) Due to fighting without thinking, your movements become harder to predict and your very movement of cells alters compared to a normal fighter, even without the form.
10) Can be used in conjunction with anything.

That’s 10 already really good reasons to have it, and Goku hasn’t even mastered it completely, yet.
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Nah just another useless colored hair form for Goku to use. Time to get back to watching GT
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:


A reminder Frieza is the only DBZ villain that won. He's literally alive terrorizing U7 as it's emperor but is infinitely stronger than he was on Namek and went through literal hell and back yet openly admits he'll never give up his villainous/evil ways and owns it lol!
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Frieza unironically COULD HAVE KILLED Goku and Vegeta but chose to spare them since they weren't his target at the time, which also suggests that Frieza has become content with the past, he'd still gladly kill the Saiyan's but he's so beyond his anger (and beyond their level) at this point that it's not even a priority to kill them anymore, they're just annoying pests that he'll deal with some other time by now.
 
RinneItachi said:
Frieza unironically COULD HAVE KILLED Goku and Vegeta but chose to spare them since they weren't his target at the time, which also suggests that Frieza has become content with the past, he'd still gladly kill the Saiyan's but he's so beyond his anger (and beyond their level) at this point that it's not even a priority to kill them anymore, they're just annoying pests that he'll deal with some other time by now.
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Ironically, Frieza has a pretty decent character development in Super, despite not being the protagonist | co-star of the manga
After his defeat on Namek, Frieza only thinks about revenge, without taking precautions, and ends up dead because of it, (being tortured in his own way in hell),
Which leads him to consider preparing himself before trying to get revenge on Goku again after being revived, however, he rushes and ends up discovering that he made a mistake again, by coming immediately after obtaining more power (a mistake he made in the past, but probably happened so as not to start his development halfway in Super)
Again in hell, and now with plenty of time he begins to train his transformation, which leads him to learn to be a little more patient, and he begins to take advantage of the people and their possibilities around him more (I doubt that the Frieza of Z decided to join the same team as Goku, or that Goku was given energy in the anime)
In Broly, although I don't remember much from the movie, at least he seems to respect Goku as an enemy to a certain extent and be calmer, he was respectful enough in Super Broly to describe a word that Goku didn't understand and he accepted quite calmly that he couldn't do anything against Gogeta when the latter stopped him from shooting Broly's friends.)
After all that, Frieza begins to stop prioritizing the Saiyans, and again begins to focus on his empire, turning it into a real threat to the universe againn, which leads to him using the time room for 10 years instead of the time needed to get a new power, and although he hates the Saiyans, he doesn't kill them because they are no longer a threat to him, he has already overcome his immature tendencies based solely on revenge that he had post Namek until Ressurection or F
Along with Vegeta, I think Frieza is one of the characters who gains the most from being in Super.
 
Sparkive said:
Ironically, Frieza has a pretty decent character development in Super, despite not being the protagonist | co-star of the manga
After his defeat on Namek, Frieza only thinks about revenge, without taking precautions, and ends up dead because of it, (being tortured in his own way in hell),
Which leads him to consider preparing himself before trying to get revenge on Goku again after being revived, however, he rushes and ends up discovering that he made a mistake again, by coming immediately after obtaining more power (a mistake he made in the past, but probably happened so as not to start his development halfway in Super)
Again in hell, and now with plenty of time he begins to train his transformation, which leads him to learn to be a little more patient, and he begins to take advantage of the people and their possibilities around him more (I doubt that the Frieza of Z decided to join the same team as Goku, or that Goku was given energy in the anime)
In Broly, although I don't remember much from the movie, at least he seems to respect Goku as an enemy to a certain extent and be calmer, he was respectful enough in Super Broly to describe a word that Goku didn't understand and he accepted quite calmly that he couldn't do anything against Gogeta when the latter stopped him from shooting Broly's friends.)
After all that, Frieza begins to stop prioritizing the Saiyans, and again begins to focus on his empire, turning it into a real threat to the universe againn, which leads to him using the time room for 10 years instead of the time needed to get a new power, and although he hates the Saiyans, he doesn't kill them because they are no longer a threat to him, he has already overcome his immature tendencies based solely on revenge that he had post Namek until Ressurection or F
Along with Vegeta, I think Frieza is one of the characters who gains the most from being in Super.
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Everyone wants Black Frieza to return guns blazing to fight Beerus or Gohan, but imagine if he takes a backseat and becomes a more meticulous and tactical villain (like how they should have written Elec before he was done dirty, smh).
 
OK maybe I'm missing something. What does the Saiyan Saga have that the Cell Saga doesn't? I don't think we need to argue fights (Tilted said it themselves) but I'd say Cell Saga has better character development, "moments" (vague but explainable if needed), a better villain, a better protagonist, music, etc. I do often look at Saiyan Saga as the least flawed saga in Z for sure but it's highs aren't nearly as high as any other Saga in Z. I mean there is no doubt the Galick Gun vs Kamehameha struggle and Piccolo's sacrifice were great moments but do these stack up to the Father Son Kamehameha? 16's death and Gohan's accompanying transformation?



I definitely understand the love for the Saiyan Saga (because I love it too) but I can't see it being better than the Cell Saga especially not to the point where it's considered on another level entirely. Thats just me though. I'd love to see the opposing viewpoints on this.
 
Well, we would need to talk about all the flaws of the Android Saga, because the arc get down because of that.

I kinda hate to admit trought, i kinda only noticed this flaws when I was watching Mistarefusion vídeos😥.
 
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Since we ranking the arcs...

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I don't split some of these into different arcs, for example I just count everything that happens on namek as the frieza saga
 
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